Watchman35, I love JD but he did not do his homework on this one. While I'm on the fence about Q, tying Q in with the Occult and New agers was 100% wrong. The occult and New agers (and others) are riding on the popularity of Q, selling stuff, asking for donations while espousing their hokey pokey. Q has made it clear from the beginning he posts NOTHING outside 8 chan and doesn't sell stuff or ask for money. So...the websites Pastor JD spoke of, Q has nothing to do with. :good: Knowing next to nothing about Q anon, I listened to JD (whom I love) with a completely open mind. In my humble opinion, he did NOT make a very strong case against Q anon. I was actually a little let down by his presentation. To ME, he seemed to really be taking some liberties and making maybe not so obvious connections. Just going by his message and what he was putting out there, he seemed pretty far off. Again, I watched with an unbiassed open mind. Isn't that something, that so many of us can listen to the same thing and draw different conclusions? :scratch: Chondra and Brad, I'm not advocating or condemning QAnon, but please go back into JD's video starting at about 39:00, say for its next ten minutes, and if you would please cite time stamps on the video that are amiss. Chondra, would you ascertain that, except for coincidentlally sharing the same first letter, there is no relationship between QAnon and the QMAP and its explanation that JD Farag featured in the video? Brad, could you elaborate on what points he was making where JD's points seemed pretty far off? And both of you, what do you suspect JD's main point mentioning the E511 ministry was in highlighting it in that ten minutes of his sermon? I'm not trying to be contrary, but as I posted here separately, I think there's substance in his suggestion that the deceived New Age expectations that mankind will soon bring in an enlightened Age of Aquarius kind of future is widely believed. Yes, that's what the New Age thinks, but JD asserts as we pre-tribulation all do, that it's not how the peaceful new world is going to happen. To me, the message being suggested by JD and E511 Ministries is 1) Satan has set up the abusive Luciferian NWO Harlot that the masses really hate, a Hegelian theses, 2) and he has also set up the New Age movement, a Hegelian antithesis subscribed to by deluded New Age devotees, in order that he may finally bring in 3) his global worship, the intended Hegelian syntheses / desired result. Satan deceptively promoting and following such a diabolic plan makes great sense to me. The biggest reason I believe QAnon is wrong is because it sounds too much like the Kingdom Now movement. Everything going on in the world points to the end of the Church Age and yet QAnon is 180 degrees contrary to that. The USA will rise stronger than before, all the bad guys and child molesters will be incarcerated, US debt cancelled. Sounds so Utopian, which is totally contrary to the signs of the time. Utopia begins when Christ's Millennial reign begins and not one moment sooner. Indeed. Trump is supposedly surrounded by Christians but most are Dominionists/New Apostolic Reformation types. (Ie CINOs) Makes sense that QAnon is closely tied in with that. It is all leading towards a fake millennial kingdom lead by the Antichrist. A new age of peace and love, they'll say. I wonder if the mark will actually be the satanic peace symbol? "Christians in name only (CINO)"... Dominionists/New Apostolic Reformation types... Hmmm... Misled / mistaken / deceived Christians are not automatically lost, e.g., if they confess with their mouths that Jesus is Lord and believe in their hearts that God raised Him from the dead... Y'all know the rest of the verse... There are "umpteens" of Christians, i.e., believers who possess a distorted expectation of the end times, who rightly reject New Age denials of Jesus Christ's supremacy, yet they're connected even at high levels of world power (VP Pence and other administration personnel), who agree with Q principles, expectations and purposes. Such souls will happily disappear soon along with us. Our agreement with Q ideals or not will at best remain an unreliable litmus test of someone's beliefs, and may not be worth our time here trying to sort these questions out. Someone's having been Raptured will be an infallible litmus test, but at that point unnecessary. Many Q and anti Q devotees alike will discover, after we're gone, the truth of the Gospel; but then confessing it with their mouth and believing it in their heart will be the same as signing one's own death warrant. Things in many venues may well become so bad that death would be a relief... Maybe let's agree here about these Q questions and implications: Let not your heart be troubled... Blessed are the peacemakers... Well said! I don't always agree with what the Lord does or doesn't do! That said, He is still my first love! TR For sure, Dan. Not all dominionists are unsaved. Some are just plain deceived. However, the whole movement is not of God and it was created by haters of God to usher in the Antichrist. Working out our own salvation is to nurture what the Lord finds pleasing in each of us! TR I wanted to briefly reply to you, MyWhiteStone. I would've earlier, but I was at work. Seems like we've come to a resolution concerning Q, since then. Which works for me. I love and respect JD, and I was not looking forward to what may have come across as me dissecting his sermon. I will just say and leave it at this, the main problem that I had to what he was saying, is that it all appeared to be an over reaction and a great deal of speculation. To connect that map with Q, would be like attending a KKK meeting and seeing a cross there, and then condemning Christianity because some group who we know to be evil beyond a shadow of a doubt, decides to use a cross. Many examples of that. (and may think they can justify it. Meanwhile actual Christians are like :unsure: "Not us." I researched that map a little bit, and the artist who created it. Very disturbing. That map is evil, and ties into many of the groups and organizations that have an anti Christ spirit and are demonic. Is this merely guilt by association? I don't know. After listening to everything JD said, I still don't. Kinda wish he would've nailed it down for me. But then again, moving on. 
