This is a comment on the topic of this thread, the rapture possibly happening on Feast of Trumpets. Perry Stone has been on TBN promoting a new rapture (prophecy) book. His beliefs are exactly the same as the link, about Feast of Trumpets being the next feast to fullfil and that it refers to the rapture. Also that it means the rapture is pre-trib as the next feast (Atonement) has to do with the tribulation. Personally, I can see also why Pentecost is a candidate. Especially with the timing of the harvests; it ends the barley harvest and begins the wheat harvest. Barley is processed by throwing it in the air so the chaff is blown away, symbolizing rapture. Wheat is processed by an instrument called a tribulum which crushes the hard core, symbolizing the tribulation. I'd be happy if the rapture happens this year; I can't dogmatically say what time of year it will be but the signs are there. I've been amazed that our President's name is "Trump", as to me that symbolizes the rapture, "the last "trump". So I've been expecting the rapture any time during the last 4 years. I guess if we see him reelected that extends the watch. Especially since our biggest watch dates will have gone by if we see Pres. Trump reelected. B-) :negative: Pres Trump was placed into office by God for a time such as this. Mainly to befriend Israel and protect the U.S. from self destruction. That said, should he be re-elected that doesn't mean we'll all be here for four more years. That just means he will be in office of the President when the Rapture happens. TR I posted this thought on RITAN facebook. Since some members here don't have access to facebook, here we go. Jesus says no man knows the day and hour of rapture. I guess I finally know why he says that. The Jews observe their Shavuot/Pentecost on Sivan 6, while Catholic and all Christians denominations observe Pentecost fifty days after Easter Sunday. None of this group believe Pentecost actually falls on Tammuz 26. When God destines rapture on the real Pentecost, how will they suppose to know the day when they already made an error on choosing the wrong day for Pentecost? The real Pentecost has been lost for many generations. When God picks Pentecost for rapture day, none of us could have thought of Tammuz 26. I believe this is why Jesus says no man knows the day and hour. Here's a recap of how I used time, times, and half time to calculate the rapture date. From the mystery number 153 which runs parallel to Leviticus 23:15-16, and the Hebrew names of twelve minor prophets, they both point to Tammuz 26 shall play a very important role in future. Simply put, Tammuz 26 is the real Shavuot/Pentecost. This is also the feast God shall remember and sends Jesus back for it. This is why I placed 1335 days on Tammuz 26. It summarizes all the tribulation events. Take 2020 to 2027 timeline for example. 1335 days ends on Tammuz 26 July 31 2027. Because Tammuz 26 begins on sundown Tammuz 25, I used Tammuz 25 July 30 as the end of 1335 days. Subtract 45 days from July 30, we come to June 15 as the end of 1290 days. Subtract 1290 days from June 15 2027, we come to Dec 3 2023 as the beginning of 1290 days. Dec 3 2023 falls on Kislev 20 in that year. AC shall place the abomination on Kislev 20 2023. This event is remembered by God as "time, times, and half time", illustrated below. time Kislev 20 2024 the first year anniversary of abomination times Kislev 20 2025, Kislev 20 2026 the second and third year anniversary of abomination To calculate half time, we need to find the half way point between Kislev 20 2026 and Kislev 20 2027. Kislev 20 2026 falls on Nov 30 2026 , while Kislev 20 2027 falls on Dec 20 2027. Between these two dates, there are 385 days. Divide 385 days by 2, and round it to nearest zero, we have 193 days. Add 193 days to Nov 30 2026, we come to June 11 2027 as the "half time". June 11 falls on Sivan 6 in 2027. Because God only gives the beast authority over the Jews for "time, times, and half time", it places Jesus' second coming on "half time" which is June 11 Sivan 6 2027, to take back the power from the beast. To calculate the date for rapture, I subtract 2520 days from June 11 Sivan 6 2027, and come to July 17 2020 as the day for rapture and tribulation to begin. Coincidentally, July 17 2020 falls on Tammuz 25. Pentecost/Shavuot begins on sundown Tammuz 25. Rapture may very well happen after sundown Tammuz 25 Jerusalem time. If it does, we can call it Pentecost rapture. But to confirm this timeline, I also expect a three shepherds war by this May or June. If all fails, I shall look at the possibility of 2021 to 2028 timeline, using the same calculation. Mat 24:36 "But about that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Its difficult to see this as the Second Coming of Christ. I find it very difficult to imagine eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage while the world it literally torn to pieces and hell is running rampant on earth. Also, Noah's ark was an architype of the Rapture so how does it occur at the Second Coming? In nowhere that I have ever read are verses 40 and 41 events that take place other than the Rapture. I also find it difficult to separate verse 36 from 37. The 24th chapter is a three part message; the end times for the nations, the end times for the Jews, and the end times for the Church, which is why verses 29-35 are chronologically after 36-51. Perhaps what He meant when He said “unless the days be shorten” … Or perhaps what He meant was the shortening of the days was what brings it to 1260 days after the Abomination. Well perhaps when things get so unbearable bad ... people will be going into survival mode to find happiness or they will go crazy. If they don’t have Jesus ... they tend to drown their sorrows with booze. So I can see the bars and dance clubs being a hot spot ... drinking to get drunk, dancing the night away and eating to try to forget all the calamities going on. I think the marriages will be more of the gay marriages and anything they want to marry ... their pets, etc. anything goes in their reprobate minds showing their rebellious spirit. Plus there is the scene after the 2 witnesses get martyred and their bodies are laying in the street ... the unsaved are celebrating and sending gifts to one another. :wacko: ———————- Check out this passage when the sun, moon and stars don’t shine their light ... it looks like it occurs early on in the tribulation ... when the 6th seal gets opened. Revelation Chapter 6 The church is in heaven watching Jesus opens the first seal – then there is noise of thunder Jesus opens the 2nd seal Jesus opens the 3rd seal Jesus opens the 4th seal Jesus opens the 5th seal Jesus opens the 6th seal Then heaven departed as a scroll Every mountain and island moved out of their places Or perhaps what He meant was the shortening of the days was what brings it to 1260 days after the Abomination. I agree. Unless those days should [have already been shortened by the Father's predetermination] no flesh should be saved. This is in regards to a looming extinction level event, as they call it. God already knew He could not set the time at one day longer or everyone would be dead. The time for the final half will be fixed at 1,260 days. Then there are things to follow that which will: [F]inish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy [Place?]. Note that "place" is added and the translation is uncertain. Some of those things take place after the 1,260 days are accomplished. I certainly agree that the part about eating, drinking, marrying and giving in marriage is an indication of life as usual before the start of the Tribulation and does not at all fit with a description of the end of it. Mat 24:40 Then two will be in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. But the parallel passage in Luke 17 complicates things: 26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. So far, that could be consistent with Christ coming in the rapture and sudden destruction following. 31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Here we have something which matches the flight of the remnant following the Abomination of Desolation in Matthew 24. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. Matthew 24:15-18 Continuing with Luke 17: 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Taken by itself, that might sound like a description of the rapture, such as depicted in "I Wish We'd All Been Ready." But how does that fit in chronologically coming after the Jews are force to flee into the wilderness for 1,260 days? Some might seize upon that and argue for a mid-tribulation rapture. I disagree with that for a number of reasons. Are we dealing with an event out of sequence here, or is it about something different? Some will be in bed (the Greek does not say it's "men," just "two.") Some will be grinding grain, presumably, and some will be in the field, when the separation occurs. Who is taken, who is left, where and why? The Disciples wanted to know "where" most of all. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. Now, this is a difficult passage, subject to all kinds of interpretations. It is a parable, and what does it actually tell us? There is no definitive answer given to the question of "where." We are just to know that where you find "x" you will find "y." If this were a rapture verse, I'd be looking for some indication of Jesus saying He would gather us to Himself at that time. It could be, but it sure is a cryptic response. https://www.jerusalemperspective.com/3962/ It seems likely that Jesus is referring to Job 39:27-30. 27 Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high? 28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place. 29 From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off. 30 Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she. I just don't see "rapture" in the reply. I see an image of death for the ones who are "taken," and not "glory." If I am mistaken, as I could well be, it seems an odd image for something related to our victory over the grave. David wrote ... Continuing with Luke 17: 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. You know I just noticed that verse ... eek ... 2 men in bed?! Gay marriage?! But one was taken and the other left? That’s a whole new discussion right there! I guess we have to agree to disagree and wait and see because ... I still lean though that at the Olivet Discourse the disciples were looking for answers of when Jesus would return to set up His Kingdom. They were fighting amongst themselves about who was going to be the greatest in the earthly Kingdom. They knew nothing about the rapture. It wasn’t until much later after Saul became Paul and later on suddenly had that outer body experience in 11 Corinthians 12:1-11 and got translated into heaven and learned about the mystery of the rapture. Then revealed it to the churches in Corinth and Thessalonica to give them comfort since they were wondering what is going to happen to their saved loved ones who had died. So for Jesus to give his disciples the answer “no man knows the day or the hour” I still think He was referring to the 2nd Coming for the millennium kingdom since that was the topic being discussed.
Mat 24:37 For as the days of Noah were, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 24:38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark,
Mat 24:39 and they knew nothing until the flood came and swept them all away, so too will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 24:40 Then two will be in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.
Mat 24:41 Two women will be grinding meal together; one will be taken and one will be left.
Rider on the white horse (AC) arrives on the scene
Rider on the red horse (war unfolds – able to take peace from the earth and they killed one another with great sword)
Rider on the black horse (famine and high cost for food and supplies)
Rider on the pale horse (1/4 of the earth dies both humans and animals from fighting and hunger)
Tribulation saints are martyred (souls of them that were slain for the Word of God and for their testimony)
Great earthquake, sun becomes black as sackcloth of hair, moon becomes blood, and the stars of heaven fell from the sky (sounds like total darkness day and night) again how will the left behind be able to calculate 7 years before the 2nd Coming event (no man knows the day or hour) if there are no more sunrises and sunsets? The earth is getting a prelude of hell with total darkness day and night.
The kings of the earth, great men, rich men and chief captains, might men, every bond man and free man hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains. They said to the mountains and rocks … “fall on us and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb” (still man refuses to repent … they rather die. I wonder how many rich died that remained underground?)
For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Mat 24:41 Two women will be grinding meal together; one will be taken and one will be left.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
