Again on a day when we think not, for no man knows the day or hour! We who watch the times and seasons will not be taken by surprise, for we know that time is short! But calculating the day and hour is not possible and highly unfruitful! For the Lord is sovereign! Regardless all the many high watch days before us, God's perfect timing has yet to be revealed to men! That said, we watch, hope and pray that it be sooner than later! For we know He is also anxious to receive His bride! Surely though between May 14th and FOT trumpets 2021 are extremely likely! Jan 20th, also a real possibility! Rest in the promise of His return, He does not lie! TR And remember that most Christians are not watching for the rapture (they think not about it) and are not knowledgeable about the history of Israël, the Feasts of the Lord, types and shadows in Scriptures that pertains to future events, etc. I am always surprised to hear that many believers think that we will see a great revival where I see a downturn of events for the Church here on Earth until we are 'harpooned' out of here. Those who are looking for and hoping in our Saviour's appearing will not be disappointed. TheWay- i'm not sure i ever thought of that before! very interesting! also, that makes me think it could even be just more confirmation that the Rapture is Pre-Trib becuz so many Christians aren't thinking about us being snatched up to meet Him coming for us in the air to take us to where He is, but instead are thinking we have to wait for Him to come all the way down here to earth at His glorious 2nd coming return and they are thinking we will still be here instead of us riding behind him to come back with Him! so any time Pre-Trib is a time they think not! Here's an excellent study on the pre-trib rapture... {MOD EDIT} You posted a Pre wrath website and as such is not allowed on this forum. Please read and follow Rule #5 5. This is a Pre-tribulation Rapture group and will not allow other beliefs such as Post-trib or Pre-Wrath views. Uhhhh...You say that this is an excellent study of the Pre Trib Rapture but that seems to be a Pre Wrath website? Are you a pre wrath believer? After reading more after clicking on that link, it definitely is a Pre-Wrath website. Just for your information, forum posting rules do not allow for this. This is a Pre-Trib website only. (dogg one- i didn't look at link & it's nice of you to want to share, but to clarify, i think...if i remember/understand correctly...pre-wrath vs pre-trib is cuz they say wrath is only after first half of trib, but actually the whole Tribulation period involves God's wrath poured out on unrepentant evil and involves a progression of intensity in hopes that man will repent and turn to Him humbly with godly sorrow and be rescued from their sin and it's consequences of hell...it's all a period of Jacob's Trouble i think it's called in OT...you'd have to look into for more accurate info on the differences etc.) Hello Dogg One and Arthur, and also gratefulforgrace (below), I could technically remove the post or delete the link but in the interest of honest and open fellowship and expression of views on RITA Now and censorship ability and abuse being what it is globally, let me say two things. 1 - Dogg One may have misread even the title of the link. So I would like to encourage him as Arthur did, to say what he truly believes. 2 - Fellowship and unity here are more important than risking some unsuspecting seeker / lurker from being led astray by a pre-wrath doctrine for which this forum has no acceptance. The pre-trib ground rule we have, I suppose and if so I agree with, was codified to avoid the adverse negativity. So let's dialogue a bit more. Okay? i guess my actual point i didn't explain well was that in line with this thread "when we think not", anything other than pre-Trib would not fit...if Rapture was in middle of Trib, anyone could know when it would be once the AC was revealed and confirming the peace treaty to start the Tribulation period of 7 years (isn't it actually a little less cuz God shortens it?) so you'd look for the 3 1/2 year point...if Rapture was end of the Trib you'd wait for the end of the 7 years and know right when that is...pre-Trib you can't know exact time, only you can see Trib stuff building on the horizon...in the making...around the corner...coming....so you can know it's the season, getting close...unless God causes a skidding hault and u-turn, it's like you can almost taste the Rapture it's so close...but the Rapture's exact time we can't know for certain and if most Christians are looking for it to be in the middle or end of the Tribulation or not at all, then a Pre-Trib Rapture - no matter when it is- will be when most Christians think not! clear as mud, maybe...that's why i say research it for anyone wanting to understand differences and yes, pre-trib vs pre-wrath i think i actually used to think were the same becuz i hadn't read about pre-wrath and had just gone by the name and already knew that the Trib is all going to include the Lord's wrath & that's a huge reason why we know we won't be here for it becuz Jesus took the wrath we deserve for us and since we accepted His offer of pardon we are declared not guilty and set free from the punishment that was due us- the wages of our sins- death (separation from God eternally and dead spiritually) Thanks, Gratefulforgrace. Here is an excellent article on the subject from Rapture Ready:
Yes, as Pre-Trib believers, we are definitely pre-wrath. It is clear that whole Tribulation is the wrath of God.
We reject the 3/4ers through the Tribulation "pre-wrath" Rapture as put forth by Robert Van Campen a few decades ago.
