Thanks to both of you for the welcome! Hal has a special place in my heart -- reading Late Great was the first time I really understood the Gospel and was saved, even though I had grown up going to that point going to church. That was sometime in my mid-teens. Welcome Greg, to heaven on Earth! Ok, just a goofy site with Rapture Heads! TR IMHO, (and I certainly could be wrong) I believe that Magog is actually Turkey. This article is in line with what I believe: Many people are familiar with Ezekiel 38-39. They know this prophecy speaks of a military invasion of Israel led by a figure known as “Gog of the land of Magog.” Unfortunately however, many prophecy teachers today erroneously connect Gog to Russia. Part of the reason for this is because in both the New American Standard and New King James versions of the Bible, “Gog” is not only said to come from “the land of Magog,” but is also further described as “the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal” (Ez. 38:2). Because the word “Rosh” sounds similar to Russia, and because “Meshech and Tubal” sound similar to the Russian cities Moscow and Tobolsk, it has often been assumed in conservative prophecy circles that Gog must be a Russian. In reality however, most scholars now recognize that Ezekiel 38:2 actually describes Gog as the “chief prince of Meshech and Tubal,” not the “prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal.” In other words, the Hebrew term rosh, which means, “head, chief, or foremost,” is modifying Gog’s title as a prince (nasi). It is not the name of a particular place, which in turn, rules out any possible association between Gog and Russia. The idea that Gog is actually the “chief (rosh) prince (nasi) of Meshech and Tubal” is found in the ESV, NIV, HCSB, TLV and JPS translations of the Bible. Now that the association between Gog and Russia has mostly fallen out of favor among scholars, there is near unanimous agreement in scholarly Bible commentaries and Bible atlases that in Ezekiel’s day, Magog, Meshech and Tubal were all located in what is now modern Turkey. https://www.jewishvoice.org/read/article/rise-turkey-and-ezekiel-38-39 Thanks, Arthur. Magog, Meshech and Tubal were all located in what is now modern Turkey. One way to help remember that ---> kinda' like necks and giblets. :yes: :whistle: A turkey of a joke, yeah. ? They want to gobble up Israel but they aren't up to scratch, Thanksgivingly. Here we go. Biden is sending 3, 000 U.S. troops to Europe (I believe Poland and Germany) A big picture seems to be coming into clear view but maybe I've been thinking way too much - I have a tendency of doing that lol Here goes anyway Our elitists who want the one world order, etc, etc, etc, .....they actually want a war between Ukraine and Russia. Not that they give a toot about Ukraine but they want an end to Europe's dependence on Russian gas. Russia seems to be the only one standing in the way of the new world order! I believe this is all about oil and that Europe would then get their gas needs from Israel. Russia would then look to Israel's oil I go back and forth on Russia -- are they standing in the way or part of it? I tend toward standing in the way. Part because of how Putin has rejected Soros and his ilk, part how they reject all the pc social chaos that is destroying the US, and part because I think they'll be decimated in the Ezekiel conflict. And the timing of Israel's resources coming online in the next few years, Israel getting cozy with the Arabs, Iran acting up, etc., etc., etc... There's only so long this can go on like this. In the meantime, I think the elites want fear and chaos to finish toppling the existing order and economy as well as to get people desperate enough to accept their desired solution and man gladly. Jack Hibbs and Amir are doing a Happening Now tonight -- should be interesting watching! And the timing of Israel’s resources coming online in the next few years, Israel getting cozy with the Arabs I think that is a big part of it, Greg, and how all the players fit around that scenario. I believe that Putin actually has Jewish ancestry and is favourably disposed towards Israel. At least in general. I see a few options: If Magog is actually Turkey, Russia may not even be involved in the Gog Magog invasion. Turkey seems to be trying to corner the natural gas market/become a distribution hub and that may put it at odds with Russia. Turkey certainly has more reasons to invade Israel, IMHO. Russia is involved in the invasion but reluctantly. (The hook in the jaw turning him around.) Perhaps Israel destroys Damascus and Russia feels it has no choice but to invade or Israel destroys some Russian military assets. IMHO, I see Turkey and Russia being increasingly at odds over time. I see Turkey leading a pan non-Arab Muslim attack on Israel with Russia not being involved. 
