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Tammie
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One of my favorite Bible Scholars is Joel Joseph. His 510 released today and is pretty powerful with putting the pri tribulation view cemented. It brought a lot of comfort to me. I have read a lot lately about the 1000 of people coming to a saving knowledge of Christ and the churches that are turning against Israel. It didn’t make sense with what I have been taught for decades about a “falling away” must occur before the rapture can take place. With so many getting saved and all the pieces of prophecy for Israel falling into place, this study makes so much more logical sense. I know we are soon outta here, by the King’s cry of command. :prayer-hands:

http://thepropheticscroll.org/home/50-editions/general/655-edition-510.html

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Falling away from truth and believing lies.  Falling away to reprobate minds.  Falling away after every wind of doctrine of men and demons.  Falling away from righteousness, morality and the law.   Falling away from what has been proven good and yet called evil.  Etc....

Not that people still won't turn to the Lord.  IMHO

TR


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I agree the falling away are those who have itching ears and rather be entertained with fables and attending Laodicean churches.

I do wonder after the rapture happens if any percentage in that group will wise up and finally get saved or will they all fall into this category of being deceived and lost forever because they will believe the lie?

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


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Thank you, Tammie.  The article states it very well and the root word does mean "departure."  It can better be understood as a physical departure, in my view.

I will admit to wanting to pull out my hair when someone defines "apostasia" by the modern cognate of "apostasy."  I go bonkers over circular reasoning.  You don't interpret a first century word by 21st century usage.  You have to go back to the original vocabulary and determine what it meant to those who spoke the language.

The discussion has been raised in the forum before.  "Apostasia" literally means "departure," though it can be either a physical or a figurative one.  It was used at times to signify "rebellion," and the first extra-Biblical use of it as a physical departure in literature is found perhaps a century after Paul wrote.  (I'd have to look it up again.)

That doesn't really prove anything one way or the other, it has to be admitted.  Not every word used by Biblical writers would have necessarily been found in their letters.

Apostasia was translated as "departure" up until about the time of the King James Bible.

Good discussion here:

https://www.baptistboard.com/threads/2-thessalonians-2-3-apostasia-falling-away-kjv-or-departure.98738/

In reading those comments, I found myself getting very frustrated again.  Someone stated they hadn't bothered to read the article and its arguments; they just looked in a modern lexicon which borrowed the interpretation of "apostasia" as "apostasy" from contemporary usage.  That is very poor scholarship.  You don't have to accept someone's arguments, but please don't rely on circular reasoning.

Example:

"Before the King James Bible the word was rendered as 'departure'."

"It says it means 'falling away' in Strong's Concordance."

"Yes, but Strong's is reflecting the usage of the King James Version."

"Well, the KJV is the Bible, so there you go!"

(Throws up hands in frustration.)


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Catching away, snatched up, departure, spirited away, translated,  there are many interpretations that could be invoked.  In the end all saying the same thing.  Language aside, we're outta here!

TR

 


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