Matthew 24:29-31 is the hands down favorite passage of Pretribulation Rapture deniers, yet contained in those passages is the very proof that the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming are two separate events The Bible gives Christians in the Church Age a clear command to study the word of God. Not only that, we are also commanded to ‘rightly divide’ what we read there. There are 3 groups in the Bible that God can be talking to any any given time, they are not the same. First you have the Jews and Israel as one group, the redeemed Church as the second group, and the unsaved gentiles which make up the rest of the gentiles ~ #1. THE 24 ELDERS ARE WEARING THEIR CROWNS BEFORE THE START OF THE TIME OF JACOB’S TROUBLE #2. THE BIBLE DOESN’T MENTION A RESURRECTION AT THE SECOND COMING BUT IT DOES FOR THE RAPTURE #3. MATTHEW 24 SAYS AT THE SECOND COMING THE WORLD WILL MOURN, BUT PAUL SAYS AT THE RAPTURE IT’S A TIME OF REJOICING #4. THE VERY NAME GIVEN TO THE TIME OF GREAT TRIBULATION IS A DIRECT REFERENCE TO NATIONAL ISRAEL AND THE JEWS #5. AT THE TIME OF THE SECOND COMING, JESUS RETURNS FROM A WEDDING #6. THE TWO OPENINGS OF THE DOOR IN HEAVEN #7. THE DAY OF THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH IS UNKNOWN WHILE THE DAY THE LORD RETURNS AT THE SECOND COMING IS MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY #8. THE LORD RETURNS TO THE EARTH WITH HIS CHURCH NOT FOR HIS CHURCH #9. THE MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB HAPPENS IN HEAVEN BEFORE THE SECOND COMING #10. AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH AND LOT SO SHALL IT BE IN THE END TIMES Keep looking up, Jesus is coming to get us soon! Thanks Sis! Blessings, I love it when anyone talks Rapture! TR #9 the Marriage Supper of the Lamb ... I’ve heard both debates some feel it occurs in heaven and others believe it happens on the restored earth before the Millennium period begins. I think they use the theory that the guests (O.T saints) have to have their new glorified body so they can join us eating. Just wondering which view is correct? Or is this considered still a mystery? :feedback So I suppose the mortals will eat the same things as we immortals do. That would not be surprising since Jesus, the Immortal, ate all manner of things including fish, after the Resurrection. Heavenly bodies must have digestive systems, which would be functional beginning to end I'd guess. I hope it's a wedding feast and not a wedding fast. Immortal bodies might lack a digestive system altogether, as food may only be for the palate alone. It is an immoral body after all! Just as we have been told and speculated that fallen fruit simply vanishes. TR Death and decay are just simply eliminated in heaven, are they not?! TR Yep ... no rotten fruit left on the ground. And how about when picking flowers from the gardens to put in a vase in our dwelling place ... the bouquet of flowers will probably never die! #7. THE DAY OF THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH IS UNKNOWN WHILE THE DAY THE LORD RETURNS AT THE SECOND COMING IS MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY In Daniel and Revelation, we are given countdown days. That only makes sense if there is a knowable event (the end of the Tribulation) at the end. Yet at this point, that date is not apparent. Therefore, we have an event coming at an unknown time (the rapture), followed by the timing of a then knowable event, which is the end of the Tribulation. To me, it seems obvious the rapture has to come before the Tribulation can begin. Geri: #9 the Marriage Supper of the Lamb … I’ve heard both debates some feel it occurs in heaven and others believe it happens on the restored earth before the Millennium period begins. I think they use the theory that the guests (O.T saints) have to have their new glorified body so they can join us eating. Just wondering which view is correct? Or is this considered still a mystery? If we follow the pattern of a Jewish wedding, the couple go away for seven days and then the reception is held upon their return. That leads me to think the Wedding Supper is held on earth, not in heaven, although it may have been announced there. https://forwhatsaiththescriptures.org/2014/08/19/old-testament-saints-resurrection/ According to Daniel 12:12 (quoted above), it seems like the Old Testament saints will be resurrected approximately a month or two after Jesus Christ returns. Verse 13 leads me to conclude that they will be resurrected at the very end of those days listed, and that would be the 75-day mark, or 1335 days after the Antichrist defiled the temple. Generally speaking, the Old Testament saints, such as Daniel, will be resurrected after the seven-year Tribulation, after Jesus Christ returns to Earth at His Second Coming. I can't be dogmatic about this, but I think it's a reasonable explanation that the OT believers are resurrected some time after Christ and the Church have returned to earth. MyWhiteStone So I suppose the mortals will eat the same things as we immortals do. That would not be surprising since Jesus, the Immortal, ate all manner of things including fish, after the Resurrection. Heavenly bodies must have digestive systems, which would be functional beginning to end I’d guess. I hope it’s a wedding feast and not a wedding fast. tenderreed Immortal bodies might lack a digestive system altogether, as food may only be for the palate alone. It is an [immortal] body after all! Interesting question there, and I have at times wondered how that all operates. I don't really know. I agree that Jesus ate normally following the resurrection. The issue of what happens to the food after consumption in an immortal body remains unanswered. I doubt the normal processes resulting in waste elimination apply, but that's something we'll have to find out when we get there. Think of all that has to take place for us to enjoy and ingest food. We smell the flavor, our mouth waters in anticipation of our appetite being satisfied, we feel the temperature on our tongue and in our throat, and we eat until we are full. In this body, there are also some negative effects upon us, at times. We don't always digest things well, and things can be expelled from us. Do those things apply in a resurrected body? Who really knows. But the total enjoyment of food and drink involves more than just the sensation of tasting. Just musing, that's all.
Just as we have been told and speculated that fallen fruit simply vanishes.
