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Yeah, maybe before the fall it was like that later state of ours, Genesis 3:16 marking the change in God's intended order...  "To the woman He said: "I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you."

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I think you’re on to something there … because before sin … Adam and Eve probably didn’t quarrel  … but after sinning … human nature is to be in control top dog so God had to set up the rules for Adam to be the head and Eve to follow.

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As far as no more sea in the next life …

where are the dolphins, whales, sea life going to swim in?  There hast to be large bodies of water …

Here are some interesting views to think about …

I like Randy Alcorn take

He suggests that the “core meaning” of Revelation 21:1 is that “there will be no more of the cold, treacherous waters that separate nations, destroy ships, and drown our loved ones. There will be no more creatures swallowing up seafarers and no more poisoned salt waters.”  In a cosmos purged of pollution, salt water would no longer be needed to serve as a global antiseptic, so perhaps the “sea” that is “no more” refers only to salt water oceans. In the new earth “Huge lakes could, in effect, be freshwater oceans,” teeming with sea life.

And then there is this … could those words “no more sea” be symbolic”? :unsure:

Interpretations of the Sea Elsewhere in Revelation and Earlier in the Bible
Speculations about the absence or presence or form of physical water in the new earth are intriguing, but we do better to take seriously the symbolic genre of John’s visions. John has seen a dragon, an ancient serpent, standing on the sand of the sea (12:17). Interpreters of every eschatological school recognize that this “serpent” is not a physical reptile, actual or mythical, but a visible symbol of a corrupt, immaterial, personal creature: Satan (12:9). Rising from that sea John saw a beast emerge, having ten horns and seven heads and resembling a leopard, a bear, and a lion (13:1-2). Bible students of all varieties recognize the echoes of Daniel’s night visions of four beasts rising from the sea (Dan. 7:1-8), which “are four kings” (7:17). So they agree that the beast of Revelation 13 is not a physical monster but a symbol of a human agent or agency, an individual or a state or a system, that violently opposes God and his people. If both the dragon on the seashore and the beast from the sea are symbols, not physical monsters, why would we assume that the sea itself is a physical body of H2O?[6]

It is important to notice that the imagery in John’s visions is drawn from the Old Testament’s rich store of symbolism. It is not only Daniel 7 that presents “the sea” as a picture of the source of restless evil (see Isa. 57:20) and hostile resistance to the Creator’s orderly reign. Without endorsing the mythological concepts of their Ancient Near Eastern neighbors, Israel’s prophets evoked their imagery in passages such as Isaiah 27:1: “In that day the LORD with his hard and great and strong sword will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan the twisting serpent, and he will slay the dragon that is in the sea.” The parting of the physical waters of the Red Sea at Israel’s exodus displayed his victory over greater foes than Egypt:

You divided the sea by your might;
you broke the heads of the sea monsters on the waters.
You crushed the heads of Leviathan. (Psalm 74:13-14)

Throughout history the Lord wages war against the forces of evil that storm against his sovereignty and threaten to engulf his people, whether demonic powers or pagan nations:

O LORD God of hosts,
who is mighty as you are, O LORD,
with your faithfulness all around you?
You rule the raging of the sea;
when its waves rise, you still them.
You crushed Rahab like a carcass;
you scattered your enemies with your mighty arm. (Psalm 89:8-10)

The Lord’s past victories over the dragon and its sea offer hope that he will intervene to redeem his people in one future, final foe-crushing, woe-banishing triumph:

Awake, awake, put on strength,
O arm of the LORD;
awake, as in days of old,
the generations of long ago.
Was it not you who cut Rahab in pieces,
who pierced the dragon?
Was it not you who dried up the sea,
the waters of the great deep,
who made the depths of the sea a way
for the redeemed to pass over? (Isaiah 51:9-10)

By the time John’s visions reach Revelation 21:1, “the sea,” that turbulent realm from which the dragon launched its desperate assault on the offspring of the woman, is the last symbol of evil to be eliminated. The prostitute enthroned on many waters has fallen (14:8; 16:19; 17:16-17; 18:2-3). The beast from the sea, the false prophet, and the dragon have been consigned to the lake of fire (19:20; 20:10). Now, at last, as a new heaven and new earth appear, “the sea” itself is “no more.” Gregory Beale notes that the parallel wording of Revelation 21:1 and 21:4 shows that “the sea is no more” previews the fact that death “will be no more,” and mourning and crying and pain “will be no more” in the consummated new creation. The convergence of allusions to Isaiah 51:10-11 (the Lord’s triumph over the sea) and to Isaiah 65:16-19 (the new heavens and earth, replacing “the former things,” weeping and crying) leads Beale to conclude, “in all likelihood, ‘sea’ is figurative for old-world threats. Therefore, the presence of a literal sea in the new creation would not be inconsistent with the figurative exclusion of the sea in 21:1.”

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We will be married only to Christ!  And He will satisfy all our needs.

Again, what has been created for flesh and blood is not for the glorified!

Will we even desire pets or just Christ!  Again after the millennium, who knows!

What God will do with regards to the animal kingdom versus personal pets is up to Him!

TR

 

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Will we even desire pets or just Christ!  

In the past I have thought a lot about this in regards to what we will be doing in Heaven. I have had a few personal encounters with God's Presence and there is absolutely NOTHING like it! Scripture says we will rule and reign with Christ but I don't want to do that. I don't want to do ANYTHING but be constantly in His Presence worshiping Him. Again, NOTHING can compare. But that will not be my lot in the next life. Scripture tells us we will be doing things. So if that is the case and knowing that God loves variety and that He created all things for His good pleasure then why would that all end in eternity. I think the contrary will be the case. I think the variety of life will be well beyond what we can imagine. If things on earth are but a foreshadow of things in eternity, just the insect variety alone will be beyond our scope of understanding. The Smithsonian Institute says there are over 900,000 different species and over 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 individual insects on earth. That in and of itself shows that God is well beyond our ability to comprehend. So if His footstool has such a diversity of life why would His realm be devoid of it? In the end it's not about what we desire, it's about His Glory and in Him all life is formed. I cannot imagine Heaven without all these things glorifying Him. I would think His palette is even larger there than here.

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Agreed

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Thanks, Geri. That's a beautiful rendition of a wonderful song. All of creation glorifies God. :rose:

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Your desire shall be for your husband

I read an interesting take on this verse. At first glance it sounds awesome to us guys but in reality that's not the way it works. What the wife wants is the man's place in the order, not him. If it were not so then methinks divorce would be uncommon in the church.

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A bridle of any sort is uncomfortable for both men and women!

Our one heart’s desire will be to please Him!

Again, understanding He is the senior partner and creator God!

TR

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Here's a beautiful passage showing a pet lamb and a family's love for it.

2 Samuel 12

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Nathan’s Parable and David’s Confession
12 Then the Lord sent Nathan to David. And he came to him, and said to him: “There were two men in one city, one rich and the other poor. 2 The rich man had exceedingly many flocks and herds. 3 But the poor man had nothing, except one little ewe lamb which he had bought and nourished; and it grew up together with him and with his children. It ate of his own food and drank from his own cup and lay in his bosom; and it was like a daughter to him. 

 

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