BTW, thank you for the article from Adrian Rodgers. Love that man. I listen to him on Christian radio when I can. God is good and He is coming soon. Arthur, no worries you did not offend me at all. :rose: I’m out of the loop with this “reformed” stuff and I’m not familiar with John Piper either. The first time I heard his name mentioned was last year on this forum board. LOL. Thank you for sharing what they believe. So is it a given that “Christ Reform Churches” are all part of this TULIP stuff? Do they also believe in post-trib views vs. pre- trib? I have a brother in California and he attends a few different churches each week. I know he is saved as well as his family but his wife and children wanted to attend a Presbyterian church since it had a good youth group and was lively. She home schooled her kids and they wanted to fellowship with other Christians that had very active programs. 2 of his daughters went to Biola University. Is that considered a sound Christian college? One of them recently married a preacher’s son who pastors a “Christ Reform Church” in Anaheim. :wacko: I couldn’t figure out what that church stood for because I didn’t know what “reformed” meant and tried to get the info out of my older brother. He wouldn’t tell me because we are still in an argument about pre-trib vs. post-trib. He used to be pre-trib but the California churches changed his view. :negative: All his family on the East Coast are telling him he is wrong with the post-trib talk. Thank God that isn’t a salvation issue. Divine determinism is the belief that God determines, causes, and orchestrates everything in history according to His preconceived plan, including sin and evil. It can lead to some interesting philosophical questions, but ultimately they are beyond our grasp. Of course, I believe God's sovereignty is absolute; I also believe He has carved out an area in that sovereignty to allow for our free will. Otherwise, there would be no real choice and no real love. We tend to see our existence as inevitable, since we are here. And yet, our conception was dependent upon factors which seemingly could have gone quite differently. If our parents had made other choices, some apparently small and insignificant, would we have been born? And if those choices have an effect upon our being in the world, at which point do we say this was predetermined and something else was not? I really have no way of answering in any meaningful way. I cannot accept determinism, as it would mean God judges people for things they had no control over. If their rejection of Him is not genuine, then neither would our love for Him be real. It would all be a puppet show. Nevertheless, there are some things God has assured us will take place and they are set in stone for the future. I believe the coming of Christ is definitely one of those events and not subject to alteration by any creature's choices. From a human perspective, it may seem as if God has delayed things, but the moment has been set from eternity and will take place exactly as scheduled. Thank you Geri for your graciousness. Most Cavinists/Reformed are amillenial. Thank you, David. You have explained it well. 
Anyway, I hope I haven’t forced the thread off topic.
