So here's something. I have been assuming / presuming / accepting / believing the Battle of Gog - Magog is a short time near the beginning of the Tribulation and the Battle of Armageddon ends the Tribulation. I'm not looking to debate this. It's not an "essential" of the faith. But I have been intrigued for the last five years since Russia barged into Syria, with the expectation that an immediate Ezekiel 38-39 Russia / Turkey / Iran / Libya / Sudan alliance would break out against Israel. For years I have been mentally modeling a rapid end-times scenario package, including the Rapture, and the revelation of the Antichrist as a man with a covenant to confirm, and the Gog/Magog war all in close proximity in time. But I bought the Joel Richardson book last week, The Mideast Beast, that proposes a very plausible likelihood that 1) these two wars (Gog/Magog and Armageddon) are actually the same war, waged by the Messiah against Gog, all a process of His second coming, and that 2) Gog is the Antichrist -- and nothing other than Islamic, not European or Russian. Anyway, I'm going to start thinking differently, trying on this new set of possibilities as assumptions, and their implications for that covenant with many for one seven. That's still our exit cue. Oh, and how does this election, the Deep State, the NWO, the World Economic Forum, the Harlot riding the Beast, ... all fit together within the next very few months as my heart wants them to be...? Again, Oy Vey! So let me repeat what I started with: “…maybe you should face it Dan. You know nothing other than things usually proffered here, and what you currently assume may well be way off base..." Thanks sincerely, my good friends in Jesus, for the encouragement. And I hope there's no heartburn over this. I find that the prophecy scholars of long ago only had so much that they could base their end time scenarios on. If they saw what is developing now ... I think a few of them would have changed their views. :yes: Does Joel Richardson believe the AC will have Islamic heritage? If so ... it could very well happen that way because ... we have this warning passage in Matt 24 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. We have Chrislam worship center forming ... and if the AC is, in fact, a muslim and a descendent to Ishmael ... doesn’t Ishmael and Isaac share the same father Abraham? :unsure: Also the muslims use the beheading method as their form of punishment. Joel Richardson is Post Trib. That may colour his view of things a bit. Not saying he is wrong but his foundation is already faulty. Here are some thoughts about the timing of the Gog Magog War: https://christinprophecyblog.org/2010/04/gog-magog-battle-before-tribulation/ Yep ... the 7 years of burning of the weapons/military vehicles, etc. is the clincher that the G/M war hast to occur early on in the trib or right before the trib begins. :yes: How do we know the seven years burning has to stop before the Kingdom comes? I suppose things will still be able to burn in the Kingdom. There may be a lot of clean-up needed. Not arguing, just asking... It's a fair question. Things won't necessarily be wonderful and perfect right after the end of the Tribulation. So, it is possible that they may burn weapons at the very start of the Millenium. I suppose that's an assumption that has been made. If the Gog/Magog War and the Battle of Armaggedon are the same war, then the burning might continue for a few years, say six or more, into the Millennium. Just sayin.' :unsure: By the way, Arthur, Joel Richardson acknowledges and addresses many of the authors' arguments cited in your link just above. Again, not arguing for one or the other, just a codger continuing his cogitatin' here. :yes: I would put G/M at the start of the 7 years for a variety of reasons, one of which is that Israel is said to be dwelling securely when it occurs. That doesn't seem very likely at the end of devastating plagues upon the entire planet, especially when the remnant of Israel has been hiding in the wilderness for three and a half years. Okay, David, this is my conjecture, outside that box... The "covenant with many" confirmed by the amazing AC (maybe even related to the Abrahamic Accords) could possibly give Israel that sense of security for a while. No war but peace with their neighbors, everyone in Israel agreeing the covenant provides peace from early on, and maybe even for a few years. After all, they'll have the signs-and-wonders messiah on their side. "I will go up against the land of unwalled villages. I will fall upon the quiet people who dwell securely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having no bars or gates..." Maybe the covenant could be that attractive to Israel, somehow. Why not? PS - And evidently, Bill Gates, at least according to the last few words above, won't be there either. And bars will be closed too, I guess. :mdrmdr: 😉 :unsure: Hmmm ... good point about perhaps the 7 year burning of the weapons for fuel could overlap into the start of the millennium ... because there is also the 40 year clean up of the nuclear disaster of the Nile River between Egypt and Ethiopia. :scratch: The millennium folks are REALLY going to need lots of tea or will be eating tons of salad leaves from the Tree of Life. Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, andyielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. The prophecy of Ezekiel 29 is still future because the Tower of Syene wasn’t built until the 1970’s ... a 230-foot “Lotus Tower,” designed as a token of Arab-Russian friendship, its five petals perhaps signifying the five pillars of the Islamic faith. - Fair Use - Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring a sword upon thee, and cut off man and beast out of thee. 9 And the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste; and they shall know that I am the LORD: because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made it. 10 Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. 11 No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. 12 And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries” (Ezek. 29:6-12). 
