I have run across some pre trib dispensational believers on another forum who think that those who become believers after the rapture during the tribulation will not be saved by grace alone thru faith alone as we are: that they will also be required to have works and be back under the Law and keep it to be saved. They will base this primarily on Rev 14:6. For the record, I believe there is only one gospel by which we are saved, (1 Cor 15:1-4; Eph 1:13,14) , Trusting in Christ alone as ones Savior who died to take away all our sins, was buried, and raised from the dead, plus nothing else. For expressing my beliefs on this other forum that I believed that the tribulation saints will be saved according to the same gospel we are saved by, I was told not to keep posting my views. Thankfully I am no longer on that forum. That sounds like a Ruckmanite teaching (from Peter Ruckman) that'd you will find on Now the End Begins, Robert Breaker, Eugene Kim, Watchwoman 65, etc. :negative: I can't agree with anyone who says old testament people were saved by faith + works, Tribulation people will be saved by faith by faith + works and people in the Millennium will be saved by works alone. This is heretical teaching. No one has ever deserved salvation. It is by the Grace of God alone. No one has ever earned their salvation. It has been faith in Jesus and what He did for you alone. If there was anyone who ever saved, even in a tiny part by works, they would put God in their debt which is frankly blasphemous. God doesn't owe anyone anything. Everyone who has ever lived has been saved by grace alone, through faith alone, through Christ alone. Yes the finished work of Jesus and His shed blood is needed for salvation. The O.T. Saints believed by looking forward to the cross and we look back to the cross with believing. The difference between the Church Saints vs. the O.T. and Tribulation Saints is …. the Holy Spirit will NOT be sealing them. Jesus told His Disciples in John 14:6 “And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever;” And when did the Comforter (Holy Spirit) show up? At Pentecost in (Acts chapter 2) to start the Church Age and once the Church Age ends … it reverts back to like it was during the O.T. days … The Time of Jacob’s trouble - aka tribulation period. ONLY the church age believers are given this promised “once saved always saved” Romans 8:38-39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. During the tribulation … the left behind must still believe in the finished work of Jesus for salvation …. but they also are not to be deceived by the false prophet and AC by caving in and taking the Mark of the Beast. If they take the mark … they will go to hell and not heaven. That is why Jesus says “he who endures to the end shall be saved.” Matt 24:13 It is fine, I believe, to compare Tribulation believers with Old Testament people. As long as no works are involved. It is faith in Christ alone that saves you. As you said, they looked forward and we look back. The people in the Tribulation will look back as well. As will the people in the Millennium. Taking the Mark of the Beast will ensure that you are not saved, however. You are correct in that. The trouble I have is some people are saying we will meet some people in heaven that were saved by faith + works. If that were true, (and it isn't) they would certainly have something to brag about. So, this needs to be nipped in the bud. It's faulty and dangerous theology. I might add that believers taking the MOTB during the tribulation I don't think is the issue; only non believers would take the mark. Also, when Jesus says "he who endures to end will be saved" The word salvation does not always refer to salvation unto eternal life; it can mean safety from harm or death. I first read about this tribulation believers gospel from an ultra dispensationalist, CR Stam. There is a well-known book about them that tells all about their false teachings called "Wrongly Dividing the Word" by Harry Ironside. This is the type of thread that causes divisions and starts flame wars. Just like threads asking if people are King James only. I do understand that and we do need to tread lightly (I certainly didn't) but I think it is very important to stand against any teaching that says a person could be saved by faith + works. Watching47 mentioned hyper dispensationalism and that is the real problem. So do I Arthur and so does Paul in Galatians 1:6-9 stand against any gospel that adds works or not sinning to faith in Christ's finished saving work at Calvary. Isaiah 64:6 “For we are all become as one that is unclean, and all our righteousnesses are as a polluted garment: and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.” Even in the garden, it was God’s work — Genesis 3:21 “And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.” — this means that <u><b>God took the life </b></u>of an animal, shedding it’s blood, to clothe them. He demonstrated that He had already made the way of salvation that was to come on the cross. The symbol of the serpent (on his belly he will go, he will eat dust …. - this is a form of the lowest position of defeat), is to remind us that satan lost and God already had won. Psalm 93 is a beautiful picture of God being robed in majesty and has been from of old everlasting — He is our Alpha and Omega — the Father has taken care of everything, there is no work that we can do to be accepted by God, not in the beginning, not in the middle, and certainly not in the end, it is always and always will be GOD alone! I am truly thankful for that, because I was born a sinner and Christ died for me. Christ also died for all who trust in the finished work of Calvary, even during the tribulation and millennial reign. What fun that is going to be!!!! :yahoo: Amen, Tammie! It's going to be amazing beyond measure. :good:
