Weird … I now have a double post. Certificate is valid until Nov 22nd so that's ok. Could have just been an anomaly. I hadn't noticed before, but when I go to fivedoves.com, it says it is an insecure site. So, on five doves I can still get to it, but last night I couldn't get to this one. What is the difference? I got the same message that Geri posted but ignored it as we were in the middle of relocating our connection and just thought it was part of the upheaval :mdrmdr: Any website that only starts with only http is not considered secure. If it starts with https it is supposed to be secure. I found this on google "The difference between the two protocols is that HTTPS uses TLS (SSL) to encrypt normal HTTP requests and responses. ... A website that uses HTTP has HTTP:// in its URL, while a website that uses HTTPS has HTTPS://." So, the https ones are encripted. 
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