Ok good point about Enoch “not being found”. I got a question ... if a Christian dies and was an organ donor ... at the time of the rapture will the Lord take away the recipients who received his/her eyes, heart, liver, etc and restores them and places them back in that believers glorified body? :unsure: We know the graves will be open so the Lord is going to be using the same bones. So it sounds like everyone will be the same height as they were on earth ... if you are tall here you will be tall in heaven, short people will remain short ...? the Chinese (why are we even considering their theories anyway Exactly! Geri, our God is beyond our ability to understand His magnificence and glory, and power ... think about all the martyrs throughout time, burned at the stake to ashes, bodies tortured for their faith in too gruesome to detail, those thrown to wild beasts, or into the sea ...Our God will, in His power, bring even them to the clouds at his cry of command and the voice of the archangel... what a small matter to raise us! The donation of organs is a beautiful sacrifice of families to give life to one suffering, our God is able. We understand that life is in the blood, fleshly speaking. Our life will then be in Christ! What purpose would blood serve in a glorified and spiritually constructed body?! Do Angel's and demons have blood?! Why would we? TR AHA great point! :good: Why would we need blood in our glorified bodies? So its back to bloody clothes getting left behind ... perhaps with the poop too. 😉 If you look at this verse about the tribulation saints .. they will be martyred and their bloody robes are made white with Jesus’ blood. But with the church that isn’t martyred but taken ... we leave our bloody clothes behind and receive a white robe. :yes: Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Now back with Enoch when he was taken. Even though it doesn’t go into detail of his clothes ... for all we know he could have shed his bloody clothes ... perhaps the book of Enoch will give more clues? :unsure: Oh I can already hear the :groan This may be helpful in regards to this bloody issue. (No pun intended. :P) It deals with an erroneous JW teaching and I believe it gets to the root of the problem. http://www.letusreason.org/jw12.htm Here is a snippet: Flesh and Blood cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven Many cult groups and cultic interpretations of the Scriptures deny a physical resurrection of Christ as well as a physical ascension. In doing this, they also deny that we too will have a physical resurrection. ———————————— What do we make of the statement in 1 Cor. 15:50-56 that “flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Does this mean that we will be spirits? That only certain people will go to heaven? The expression “flesh and blood” occurs only five times in the New Testament. We need to define our definition of its meaning from the overall teachings. If we examine the following references we see the writers are often speaking of 'flesh and blood” as being synonymous with “fallen man”, just as it is of the physical body. If you substitute the words “fallen man” (unregenerate) in the place of “flesh and blood” we can understand better what Paul is conveying. Oh ok Arthur this makes sense now with the definition of “flesh and blood” is in reference to (unregenerate) “fallen man” and ties in with this passage ... I Corinthians 6:9-11 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were [c]sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. for all we know he could have shed his bloody clothes The shedding of blood was for the remission of sins. All the animal sacrifices in the Old Testament were for the remission of sins. Jesus shed His blood once and for all. Since His death on the cross when has any Christian been required to shed their blood for their sins? Just remember what Scripture says. In that moment we are changed. Well ... I didn’t mean “shed” as you’re implying that he was working to get to heaven. I really meant his (bloody) clothes simply dropped off and fell to the ground. :stinkerbell: He didn’t need them any longer and was given a white robe. :yes: Sorry ... but I do like Merry-Go-Rounds ... what about this incident with Elijah‘ s departure in II Kings 2:12 - 14 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces. He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan; And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the Lord God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over. Sooooo we see Elisha put Elijah’s mantle in the Jordan waters. Hmmm ... could it be to clean all the blood off? :unsure: What does smote the waters mean? :unsure: I see you’re :groan again ... B-) Well … I didn’t mean “shed” as you’re implying that he was working to get to heaven. Understood but there is no scriptural reason to believe our blood will be left all over the ground when we are raptured. Clothing? perhaps. But blood? I just don't see anything in the Bible that suggests leaving it all over the ground. Given that it is in our bodies and that they (our bodies) will be changed into incorruptible ones suggests that our blood and all other bodily fluids will be changed into incorruptible as well. If neither "flesh nor blood" can enter the Kingdom of Heaven then it wouldn't be just the blood left behind, it would be our flesh too. But that is not what the Bible says. it says we will be changed into incorruptible.
I learned many years ago, never question His ability, never limit Him to a box or His power confined to my finite brain’s limited understanding. We will be in the presence of a totally, beyond understanding, steadfast loving and eternal God! His peace alone is beyond our understanding and He states that, His steadfast love endures forever and faithfulness to all generations. A new verse I’ve been working on is a bit unusual but powerful in thought and truth... 1 Chronicles 29:11 “Yours, O Lord, is the greatness and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty, for all that is in the heavens and in the earth is yours. Yours is the kingdom, O Lord, and you are exalted as head above all” —- amazing! I can’t wait to be in His presence, soon :prayer-hands: :prayer-hands:
