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Carry on!

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I have been enjoying Britt Gillette videos. I have come to think of him as closet guy!

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Sorry for this negative response but I found him to be depressing … perhaps that is why he is staying in his bunker closet because he thinks the timing of the Gog/Magog war is YEARS away and life on planet earth will continually get worse and worse ? :wacko:   How can that be logically when  the WEF wants to bring in their godless utopia in 2023 and the average family right now are living from paycheck to paycheck and they keep pushing on the people to take the harmful vaxx and now concentrating on the little kids to kill them off ?  With his take on the timing  of events … then there will hardly be anybody left when the tribulation does officially starts … if he truly believes the Gog/Magog war is YEARS away.    I just don’t  get his logic … but yet he ends his youtube with rapture is soon.  How soon?   I wonder if he thinks there is a MAJOR gap like YEARS instead of weeks or months in time frame from the rapture and the start of the tribulation?

 

In the comment section I saw this  unpopular view of the Gog/Magog what are your thoughts on this far out statement?

“I disagree. The Bible is quite clear if follow good exegesis and study Esther 9 and Ezekiel that Gog Magog war was fulfilled during the time of Esther. Haman the Agagite in Esther is synonymous with Hamon-Gog in Ezekiel. Haman in Esther was promoted by the King to the position of chief prince which is exactly what Ezekiel prophecies. During that time, the villages in Israel were not secure with walls (Esther 9:19) as Ezekiel also prophecies, and even Jerusalem was unwalled before being rebuilt by Nehemiah. Both Ezekiel 38 and Esther 9 appear at first to be certain annihilation of the Jews, but the reverse happens and God strikes Israel's enemies. There is no more Gog and Magog and hasn't been for thousands of years, and never will be. The only emergence of Gog Magog according to Revelation 20, is when the large army that was killed and buried on mountains of Israel in Esther's day, are resurrected on the last day (Revelation 20:9), only to be immediately consumed and cast into lake of fire. There is no actual battle in Revelation 20. There is no future Gog Magog war. It already occurred. That is just misinterpretation of scripture.”

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My thoughts are if this is the case with Gog/Magog has already happened … and prophecy teachers just got the interpretation wrong … then who are the young lions in reference of in Esther’s day?  Was Great Britain, Australia and Canada nations back then? :scratch:   All I know is America sure wasn’t .

“Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?”

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I guess I will have to listen again more closely. I was mainly listening to the news.  I Know people place that war in different places. After the rapture as the red horse for some. I just had the impression that he wasn't wanting to put a date on anything.  I think the rapture is very soon with all the talk of the Messiah being here and them putting up signs about it in New York. Keeps me on the edge of my seat.

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With the theory that the G/M war already happened in Esther’s day makes me want to do a study on who the young lions were and if perhaps there really isn’t any such future war any time soon  :unsure:   until at least 1,007 more years in Revelation 20 -

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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Well here are a few translations of Ezekiel 38:13

NIV
The Merchants of Tarshish and all her villages

English Standard Version
The Merchants of Tarshish and all its leaders

Berean Standard Bible
The Merchants of Tarshish with all its villages

KJV and NKJV
The Merchants of Tarshish with all the young lions

New American Standard
The Merchants of Tarshish with all its villages

Amplified Bible
The Merchants of Tarshish (southern Spain) with all its young lions (villages)

Christian Standard
The Merchants of Tarshish with all its rulers

Contemporary English Version
Along with merchants from villages in Southern Spain, will be your allies

Good News Translation
Merchants from the towns of Spain

NET Bible
Traders of Tarshish with all its young warriors

Geneva Bible

Merchants of Tarshish with all the lions

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Looking at this old Bible map … Tarshish is indeed located in Southern Spain  … its a seaport … a Phoenician Colony at one time.   And all its villages, or young lions are France, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, etc.   Sure puts a whole new twist on things. B-)   

So did the Gog/Magog war already occur in Esther’s time like that one watcher already brought out in the comment section of Britt Gillette’s youtube?  Will there even be a Gog/Magog war before the tribulation?  Perhaps its only a Psalm 83 one?  And remaining Gog/Magog war  will be in Revelation 20:8-9 at the end of the 1,000 years of the Millennium?

What are your thoughts?    I’m totally confused. :wacko:

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There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that Ezekiel 38 is still future, and equally so that it's not the Gog-Magog in Revelation.  Just reading Ezekiel in context and in order leaves no doubt on that, let alone today's events and international movements matching up exactly.  And many other reasons...

 

Psalm 83... I don't even read that as a prophecy.  And if is, I think it has already been fulfilled.  And it does not match up with today's events because with Iran so entrenched in Syria there is absolutely no way they would stay out of it... destroying Israel and bringing in their Mahdi are basically their two main reasons for existing as a government.

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Wars and rumors of wars!  Past, present and future.  i have always believed that if a war or any war,  is used as a sign, it would more prominently figure into present events.  Easily identified and understood!  Likewise also as the temples rebuilding!  The open ended ambiguity concerning specific date setting is in keeping with our faith in God and His sovereignty.   Again, no singular sign can be anticipated to herald the Rapture!  Rather, an overall climate of sin and evil being overspread upon the Earth!  And a general picture IE:  season of our departure!  Also, we need to tread lightly with prophetic interpretation as to keep from a presumptuous spirit!  Who cares when these wars occur or when the Temple is rebuilt?  Not germane to our faith, the Rapture's timing, or God's eventual fulfillment of His plans for men!  We need to stop beating a dead horse so to speak and more diligently focus upon our individual faith!  It will all come out in the wash!  TR

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God's word says:  when we see certain things take place to look up for our redemption draws near, not our redemption is here!  We are guided by the Blessed Hope, not exact knowledge!  TR

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Germany Could Run Out of Gas by February, Must Cut Consumption by Up to 30 Percent:

Germany could be completely out of gas by February, the country’s gas agency has said, with some experts saying that the country needs to cut consumption by 30 percent to make it through the crisis intact.

. . . . .gas consumption amongst the general public has yet to noticeably go down, indicating that Germany may yet have difficulty reaching its 20 percent reduction goal, let alone the 30 percent reduction some think is required.

Despite such a warning echoing that made by the country’s economic and climate minister Robert Habeck earlier this month, the country’s Chancellor seems to have denied such a reality, telling the European Parliament earlier today that Germany is “well prepared” for the coming winter.

Chancellor Olaf Scholz bragged to the European Union on Thursday that his country has now managed to “free” itself from its dependence on Russian gas.

However, while the Chancellor seemed to have no problem lauding the achievements of his own government, he failed to address the currently ongoing problems being experienced in the country, which has mass-insolvencies of businesses as well as empty shelves in supermarkets as certain products as inflation renders them too expensive to produce at current prices.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/10/21/germany-could-run-out-of-gas-by-february-must-cut-consumption-by-up-to-30-per-cent/

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