Well ... check this out ... instead of a spring Pentecost Rapture ... could it be we need to be watching for a summer Pentecost Rapture - July 29th - August 1st? ———————- Chance’s letter to 5 Doves Regarding the count to Pentecost I am leaning towards the belief that the way that the days are counted to Pentecost are wrong. We've had letters to Five Doves about this before...even recently. There are a couple of reasons for this: 1) Peter said that the believers are not drunk because the wine is new - this would mean that the grapes have just been picked and the wine bottled...but too early for fermentation to have taken place; one can't get drunk on newly bottled wine. Well, the grape harvest in Israel, even in ancient times, doesn't even start until July. Any wine consumed in June would have been the previous year's wine and would have been well fermented. This seems like a clue from Peter that Pentecost is a summer Feast Day and not a Spring Feast day. 2) The "offering of new grain to the Lord" at Pentecost is the wheat offering; it takes spring wheat about 115 days to mature...June is too early for the spring wheat harvest/offering. Spring wheat, planted in March/April, would be harvested in July at the earliest (not June) ...this is about a 4 month time for planting to harvest. Remember Jesus reminded the disciples of the saying ,,,"there are yet four months, then comes the harvest." John 4:35 Leviticus 23:16 says they are to give a NEW grain offering to the Lord - there were two wheat harvests in Israel - one from the wheat that was planted in the fall (the traditional or old grain) and one from the wheat planted in the Spring (the NEW grain). This new grain is harvested in July at the earliest. This is the one that the Lord wants. A second clue that Pentecost is a summer Feast Day and not a Spring Feast day. Re-looking at Leviticus 23 - it could be that the count is 7 weeks plus 50 days. There are translations of Leviticus 23 that have two separate counts of days....the 7 weeks followed by 50 days. There can be multiple definitions in Strong's per Hebrew word. As I understand the Feast Days - there is Passover on the 14th day of the first month, followed the next day, the 15th, by the Feast of Unleavened Bread (for 7 days they were to eat unleavened bread - the 7th day was to be a 'holy convocation'), followed the next day by the Feast of Firstfruits. As Christ was crucified on Passover, in the tomb on Unleavened Bread, and rose on Firstfruits. "From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, you are to count seven full weeks (or 7 Sabbaths). You shall count fifty days until the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then present an offering of new grain to the LORD." Leviticus 23: 15-16 Berean Study Bible Strong's has the word 'until' also as meaning 'in combination', or 'from' עַ֣ד (‘aḏ) 5704 Could there really be two counts in these verses? A 7 week count and a fifty day count? The two counts would put Pentecost in the grape harvest season and the second wheat harvest season. Times for new wine and the new grain sheaf offering. This way of counting to Pentecost makes more sense in light of what Peter said at Pentecost and the necessity of the 2nd sheaf offering (new grain). So for this year, the new moon was April 5. So the new month of Nisan began on the evening of April 5 to sunset April 6. (Dates will be a day later if using the sighting of the new moon - probably seen on April 6.) So Passover was Nisan 14 - April 19/20. Feast of Unleavened Bread was Nisan 15 - April 20/21 (also called the 'First Day of Unleavened Bread'). Feast of Firstfruits was Nisan 16 - April 21/22. The Last Day of Unleavened Bread was Nisan 22 - April 26/27. So where do we start the 7 weeks count? The Feast of Firstfruits is when the priest waved the sheaf offering....I believe it starts there. So counting from April 21/22 7 weeks takes us to June 9/10 (the date for the 'traditional' way of counting Pentecost). Then adding 50 days to this takes us to July 29/30. I believe someone else counted to July 31/Aug 1 this year. Sounds reasonable given we're not exactly sure what dates to start counting from. Also, I have read that the word 'door' in the Bible can refer to the Rapture - in rereading I Corinthians 16:8,9, Peter wrote: "But I will tarry at Ephesus until Pentecost. For a great door, full of opportunities, is opened to me...". Made me think about the connection between "door" and "Pentecost" and "Rapture". Just my thoughts on this since we are soon approaching the end of July. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem! Maranatha! Chance -Fair Use- ——————- So what are your thoughts to this new theory? All very plausible, then again which year?! Would be exciting if it falls on the 31st, that's my wedding anniversary! With all this quietness falling upon us right now, it seems as if we could be here forever. But that quiet could be intentional. The calm of the night. Again, I am reminded of the disciples who could not stay awake in the Garden with Christ at a critical juncture of Christ's ministry! And when He was nailed to the cross, all but John were gone. Seems to me that John was a type of "watcher" especially in light of the "revelation" he alone was given! John also seems to be given to having a deeper emotional relationship with Lord as well, being called John the Beloved! Indeed the majority of the Church is asleep, with but a small percentage watching and waiting, giving credence to the prophetic Word! History does seem to recycle itself. As like with John may our love of Him continue, sustained by the Blessed Hope! Bolstered by the prophetic. And nurtured by the patience of the saints. Only to be greeted by one fine day when mortality is overshadowed by immortality! Till then beloved, abide in Him! TR LOL, well we are hoping its this year, T.R. Perhaps we will all get heads up notice confirmations before the end of the month? Just let me know what we need to be looking out for? 3 days of darkness? Or _______? Hey, if it happens on the 31st ... or even the 29, 30th or August 1st we will celebrate your wedding day with all you can drink butterscotch shakes! B-) Geri, This is a similar theory that I also posted earlier under the header “True Pentecost”. And I have always felt that logically the Holy Spirit birthed the church on Pentecost so should remove it on the same, except.....there are no trumpets at Pentecost and scripture clearly says at the last trumpet .... at the voice of God ... when the trumpet shall sound .... the dead in Christ rise first, then we who remain are caught up together .... (summary of all verses that speak of the church rapture). So as hard as it is for me to think about it, I’m looking to Rosh Hashanah. That being said, I still hold to the fact, God is God and His timing is not ours, His ways are not our ways and He can call the bride at any moment. Yet, God is also a God of order, He follows a pattern, He has set the day and as Noah knew when the flood was coming, as Elisha knew when the chariot came and Elijah witnessed this Chariot of fire, and as many other signs of the season are evident, I do believe we can know the season (Bride season, 70th year), if not a narrowed year (2019) and even to the month and day — Israel will leave the land in 2023 (75 years) - 3.5 yrs into the trib (2019) and we have to be gone :yahoo: :prayer-hands: I know the numbers are there, I’m just not that good with that level of discernment—- so I keep looking, reading, watching, :popcorn because, it’s all there and my spirit says hold up just a bit! You are about to fly up and not through the grave. :yahoo: That’s my thoughts in a nut shell, all be it a small nut! :prayer-hands: Oh that’s right, I should have remembered that thread! Sorry about that ... it was a good one and you even have the high watch dates extending to August 4 - 5, 2019. I’m really torn between both feasts :unsure: ... excellent point about trumpets are not blown on Pentecost ... I agree no matter when the special day is ... 2019 does look promising as we watch and wait ... :popcorn End of July, early August is the next high watch time for rapture and "True Pentecost". If not then, here is a recent article about why Rosh Hashanah is also a great watch time and it is at the end of September this year: https://raptureandendtimes.com/2019/07/06/rapture-2019-the-feast-of-trumpets/ Are we there yet, Abba? Thanks Geri7, Whatever day the Rapture happens to fall on in any given calendar truly seems quite insignificant compared to the event itself, IMHO! Seems to me that we have to be tempered enough to appreciate and glory in the Rapture itself! In our efforts and in our anticipation the true meaning and glory of the Rapture seems to get lost. Much like the Christmas season, the meaning and glory of Christmas Day is also lost and obscured by our activities! Opening our presents is great, standing in awe of God's love is even greater! Certainly that day shall indeed be written in the annals of Heaven. Second only to the first coming of Christ, the Rapture is the greatest token of love and affection the Lord could bestow upon men in this realm! Spending every waking moment trying to calculate that day seems futile and unrewarding. Though born of anticipation and filled with every good intention, our obsession with knowing the day in advance seems to detract from the gift of the Rapture, IMHO! Let not our hearts get lost within the sea of activity! Just a reminder. TR Indeed not a popular message, especially on a site such as this one! It was given not to lessen or detract from our waiting and watching, but perhaps simply to realign our focus of spirit. Thanks for responding Geri7. After writing this I really didn't expect any responses. May it be sooner than we can realize! TR I understand what you’re saying T.R. Some cyber friends have criticized the latest summer Pentecost theory and think it should be put to rest. One said are we going to see a fall Pentecost and another said how about a mid winter Pentecost. They made a good point, as well as you. As a watcher ... I will stay alert for the end of this month ... because what’s another 3 more weeks ... then, if nothing materializes ... my focus will be on the Sept Feast of Trumpets high watch time frame. :whistle: I don’t want to even think of it ... but if we are still here after that Feast of Trumpets holiday ends ... well then I think we all need to concentrate on prepping non perishable food products (flour, oatmeal, crackers, peanut butter, soup, etc.) because I’m reading from various sources that prices are going to really sky rocket in 2020 ...
