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Satan comes into the thrown room every day to ask the father permission to bring harm, shame, trouble etc upon you and the father must ok it.

Why would God allow for the devastating things that happen to you? Why would he give Satan permission?

 

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He does it for your good and for His glory....

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The best Biblical answer is found in Job, as I'm sure you realize. However, just for the record, Job was never given an answer other than (basically) "You're not God."

We can rest assured that God has our ultimate best interests in view, and if we trust Him, everything will work out better than we could have imagined. That might not happen on our schedule, yet it will happen.

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Again to insure no future rebellions in Heaven!

Ergo the time of our testing!

TR

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Why does God allow Satan to attack us?

Satan’s attacks against us come in various forms. 1) He uses the ungodly world (which he controls, 1 John 5:19) to stir up fleshly lusts within us that tempt us to sin. 2) He uses the unbelieving world to attempt to deceive us with worldly “wisdom” opposed to God’s truth. 3) He uses false Christians to try to mislead us into a false gospel centered on a false Jesus. 4) He sometimes physically afflicts us or our loved ones with sickness, crime, tragedy, or persecution. Knowing that God is the sovereign Ruler of the universe, we naturally ask, why does God allow Satan to attack us in these ways?

The Bible teaches that God allows Satan a certain amount of freedom (see Job 1:12), but that freedom is always limited. Satan cannot do all that he wishes. Satan chooses to attack God’s children (see 1 Peter 5:8), and his design is always evil; Satan is a murderer (John 8:44). In contrast, God’s design in allowing certain satanic attacks is always good; God loves His children (1 John 4:16). Joseph faced many satanic attacks in his lifetime, but in the end he could speak with confidence of two opposing purposes behind the same events: “You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good” (Genesis 50:20).

We cannot blame God for what Satan does. Our vulnerability to satanic attack started with Adam’s choice to follow Satan’s lying suggestions in the garden of Eden. When Satan attacked Job through the loss of his family, wealth, and health, Job didn’t blame God. Notice Job 1:21–22, "And he (Job) said: Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return there. The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord. In all this Job did not sin nor charge God with wrong."

As believers experience the attacks of Satan, they can trust the truth of Romans 8:28, "We know that all things work together for good to those who love God..." Therefore, the assumption is that we will experience "good" things and "bad" things, but "all" of these things can be made to contribute toward "good" ends as God works them out. So even the attacks of Satan, although evil, can and will have a "good" result, ultimately, as God uses them to conform us to Christ, His Son (see Romans 8:29). Attacks from Satan, along with all other tribulations, can cause believers to love God more, resist Satan more, practice patience, and grow stronger in our faith in many other ways. Praise God for His sovereign protection. Thank Him for His plan to make everything—even Satan’s attacks—"work together for good" for you!

https://www.gotquestions.org/God-allow-Satan-attack.html

 

Was it unfair for God to allow Job to suffer over what was basically an argument between God and Satan?

A surface reading of the book of Job usually evokes....God is being unfair to Job!”....This is very disturbing for those who hope to see God as just, gracious and loving....God indeed did express His love to Job, both in His speeches (Job 38–41) and in finally vindicating Job. God confirms that Job had spoken “what was right” about Him, whereas his first three friends had not (42:7)....Job had assumed that God was unaware of what happened to him or that He was deliberately persecuting him or that Job had inadvertently sinned and God was not willing to tell him what the problem was. Job thought he was being punished entirely out of proportion to any conceivable offense he may have committed. In fact, Job questions God incessantly throughout the dialogue. His protest climaxes in a direct indictment of God on the charge of injustice (29–31)....So what did Job “get right” (42:7)? The upshot....is that Job finally sees that God’s governance of the universe is much more wonderful than he could have imagined, and he openly concedes this (42:2-5); so this is what Job spoke about God that was “right” (42:7)....it is only when Job obeys God and intercedes on behalf of his three friends—who had become his enemies—that God actually blesses Job with a twofold inheritance (42:8-17)....it was the inheritance God promises to all who serve faithfully as redemptive agents of the Creator (Daniel 12:3). Job obeyed God and was rewarded for his obedience.

In the end, God....harnessed evil and turned it to good (cf. Genesis 50:20), and He transformed Job into the most effective servant of all, one who took on God’s own redemptive character and loved his enemies. And this, in fact, is our take-home lesson from Job.

https://www.gotquestions.org/God-Job-Satan.html

In Job 1:7, this “Satan” walks about the earth “like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour” (1 Pet. 5:8).... God is impressed not by Satan’s extraordinary abilities but rather by Job’s character. Echoing the narrator’s fourfold commendation (Job 1:1), the Lord agrees that Job is “a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil” (Job 1:8)....Satan questions the depth, sincerity, and resilience of Job’s relationship with God....Satan not only questions Job’s heart religion, he also questions Yahweh’s overprotective(ness)....Satan’s solution to the problem of God’s over protection and overindulgence is simple: “Stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face” (Job 1:11)....The last picture we saw of Job was of his offering God sacrifices for his children’s sins. He was loving God and loving others.... Satan....wants us to see this blessed man eye to eye with God, cursing him to his face - rightly apply the final phrase from our final verse, namely, “So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord” (Job 1:12b). This ending leaves little doubt concerning who is in control of Satan...

https://www.crossway.org/articles/why-was-satan-allowed-to-torment-job-job-1/

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I don't believe satan can come and go as he pleases. God summoned Satan along with the fallen angels and limited what he(satan) could do to Job, is my understanding. Soon he will have no access as he is properly disposed of. Yea!

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Why does God allow Satan and the demons to attack us?

If God is all-powerful, why does He allow Satan and his demons to attack us? We are not given all the answers to this question, but Scripture does make certain things clear. First, it is not God's desire for Satan to attack people. Satan attacked Eve in the Garden of Eden. Sometimes, God allows demonic temptation as a test. Adam and Eve sinned, and all people have become sinful in nature and are likewise open to the temptations of Satan (1 Peter 5:8).

When God does allow Satan or his demons to attack a person, there are reasons for it.

Job did not see why God allowed Satan to attack him (Job 1:12), yet God used the situation to thwart Satan's boasts and to bring glory to the Lord.

Even Jesus was tested through temptation by Satan in the desert (Matthew 4:1-10). Jesus, unlike Adam, passed the test. He said "no" to sin and won the victory.

Another reason God might allow Satan or his demons to attack is to build our maturity. Ephesians 6:10-18 speaks of putting on the armor of God to stand against Satan. This requires dependence on God through prayer and the use of the Word of God.

Other times, the Lord allows testing so we can be a comfort to others later. "Blessed be the . . . God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. For as we share abundantly in Christ's sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort, too" (2 Corinthians 1:3-5).

Even when we have no clear answers to explain why God allows Satan or his demons to attack, we still have the promise of Romans 8:28: "And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose." No matter how severe the attack, we know that "God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it" (1 Corinthians 10:13).

God's intention is always for our good. At times, He allows Satan or his demons to come against us, perhaps to strengthen our faith, to test us, or to prepare us to help others in their time of need. Regardless of the reason, we can stand firm in God's promises, including the promise of 1 John 4:4, "He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world."

We are never abandoned. When Satan or his demons attack, God's help is near. "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you" (James 4:7).

https://www.compellingtruth.org/Satan-demons-attack.html

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Peer the book Birthright by Timothy Alberino; Satan does NOT control this earth, except for what man give way to him. Psalm 11:4 “The LORD is in his holy temple; the LORD’s throne is in heaven; his eyes see, his eyelids test the children of man.”

Illness, physical and mental pain, and bodily damage (some we do by our own carelessness) are not from God — this is from the degradation of our bodies since the fall. We are nothing like what Adam was in form, he was in the very image of God; we are a degenerating copy of a copy, of a copy, etc…. Just like the years of man decreased from 969 to 80 / 90 but average in the 70’s, so too have our bodies been broken down as a result of the fall. The verse we all know so well I John 3:2 “Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.” — see this perfected body we are all dying for (literally) places us back to what God first created us to be.

One thing we as humans forget — it is not only all about us but it is all about the plan —- The dragon’s insurrection was an unmitigated disaster that reaped unimaginable destruction in the solar system … at the end of that Great War … he and his seven apostate princes were relegated to the earth until the time of their end, they are not given dominion over the earth or mankind, but mankind has given them power through our weakness.

Psalm 74:10-14 “How long, O God, is the foe to scoff? Is the enemy to revile your name forever? Why do you hold back your hand, your right hand? Take it from the fold of your garment and destroy them! Yet God my King is from of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth, You divided the sea by your might; you broke the heads of the sea monsters on the waters. You crushed the heads of Leviathan; You fed him to the creatures of the desert. “. Goes on to talk of creation, includes the plan …. Also part of the multiple layers of God’s Word is the fact that in Job’s soliloquy where Leviathan is dubbed the “king over all the sons of pride” depicting satan .. he is a doomed, dethroned, and disinherited son of God (morning stars — you’d have to read the book to get the full understanding of this).

I say all this to summarize - satan tries to destroy mankind, he has been allowed for a time to wreak havoc over us as we have allowed this power. Take heart our time is coming to a victorious end and very soon! You are God’s beloved and He is yours! What we face now is nothing to what God has prepared for us …. 2 Corinthians 4:17-18 “For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.”

Hang in there family we are out of here sooner than later…. :prayer-hands: :yahoo:

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Well said Sis!

I am my beloved’s and He is mine!

TR

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How is Satan god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4)?

The phrase “god of this world” (or “god of this age”) indicates that Satan is the major influence on the ideals, opinions, goals, hopes and views of the majority of people. His influence also encompasses the world’s philosophies, education, and commerce. The thoughts, ideas, speculations and false religions of the world are under his control and have sprung from his lies and deceptions.

Satan is also called the "prince of the power of the air" in Ephesians 2:2. He is the "ruler of this world" in John 12:31. These titles and many more signify Satan’s capabilities. To say, for example, that Satan is the "prince of the power of the air" is to signify that in some way he rules over the world and the people in it.

This is not to say that he rules the world completely; God is still sovereign. But it does mean that God, in His infinite wisdom, has allowed Satan to operate in this world within the boundaries God has set for him. When the Bible says Satan has power over the world, we must remember that God has given him domain over unbelievers only. Believers are no longer under the rule of Satan (Colossians 1:13). Unbelievers, on the other hand, are caught "in the snare of the devil" (2 Timothy 2:26), lie in the "power of the evil one" (1 John 5:19), and are in bondage to Satan (Ephesians 2:2).

So, when the Bible says that Satan is the "god of this world," it is not saying that he has ultimate authority. It is conveying the idea that Satan rules over the unbelieving world in a specific way. In 2 Corinthians 4:4, the unbeliever follows Satan’s agenda: "The god of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ." Satan’s scheme includes promoting false philosophies in the world—philosophies that blind the unbeliever to the truth of the Gospel. Satan’s philosophies are the fortresses in which people are imprisoned, and they must be set free by Christ.

An example of one such false philosophy is the belief that man can earn God’s favor by a certain act or acts. In almost every false religion, meriting God’s favor or earning eternal life is a predominant theme. Earning salvation by works, however, is contrary to biblical revelation. Man cannot work to earn God’s favor; eternal life is a free gift (see Ephesians 2:8-9). And that free gift is available through Jesus Christ and Him alone (John 3:16; 14:6). You may ask why mankind does not simply receive the free gift of salvation (John 1:12). The answer is that Satan—the god of this world—has tempted mankind to follow his pride instead. Satan sets the agenda, the unbelieving world follows, and mankind continues to be deceived. It is no wonder that Scripture calls Satan a liar (John 8:44).

https://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-god-world.html

What does it mean that Satan is the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4)?

Second Corinthians 4:4 says, "In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." How is Satan the god of this world?

One way to understand this title "god of this world" is to realize Satan's rule is limited. He has the ability to oversee evil in our world, but lacks the power to defeat God and rule in heaven. In fact, Scripture indicates Satan originally lived as a leading angel in heaven, yet rebelled against God in pride: "Your heart was proud because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor" (Ezekiel 28:17). Isaiah 14:13-14 add, "You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'"

Other passages also note Satan's power in this world. For example, John 12:31 calls Satan the "ruler of this world," again showing his power is limited to matters on the earth. Ephesians 2:2 calls Satan the "prince of the power of the air," a variation of this same title.

The Bible is clear that Satan is powerful. How can believers in Christ overcome his evil efforts? Ephesians 6:11 teaches, "Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil." This includes the many virtues of Christian living, including salvation, the word of God, and prayer (Ephesians 6:17). Satan may have great strength, yet he is no match for the power of God working in the believer's life.

In confronting the teachers of the law, Jesus taught, "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies" (John 8:44). Satan is the father of lies, from his lie to Eve in the Garden of Eden to the lies he spreads today. His evil continues to destroy lives today, standing as a snare and trap to people (2 Timothy 2:26), yet we do not need to fear him.

James teaches, "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you" (James 4:7). First John 4:4 teaches, "Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world." As believers, "He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son" (Colossians 1:13).

(Again...) Satan's rule is for a limited time only. Revelation 20:10 shows that in the end, he will be defeated by God and thrown into the lake of fire. No power, not even Satan, can stop the Lord and His plan.

https://www.compellingtruth.org/satan-god-world.html

 

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