I think it's time for THE 'ac' to make happen the peace plan announced in Scripture . .~ :yes: :yes: . .and that can only happen after we're 'harpazed' outta here ~ Sounds great! :good: I expect then the AC to suddenly show up soon if ISIS holds to their latest threat ... “ISIS says its new stage of war will begin “in the coming days.” I just wish they would narrow that down better ... i.e. If they are talking like weeks or is it months away? B-) If the Rapture happened today, looking at the line of succession in our federal gov't, Potus-VP-Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi would become president (given the assumption that Trump is indeed a new Christian). The US wouldn't lift a finger to help Israel. That would embolden Israel's enemies to come against her. I doubt there is a "gap" between the rapture and the start of the Tribulation. My reasoning is from asking where does that leave those who are remaining. If they aren't part of the Church and they are not yet in the timeline of the Tribulation, then what are they? However, that's simply an opinion. Good point Yohanan. And good point too, David. I didn’t think about that. Those folks would certainly be in limbo. I was thinking also with IDF staying on guard 24/7 for years with their high tech sophisticated equipment ... they always seem to know where their enemy is, what they are eating, what paper they are reading and what equipment they are moving around to storage units ... I can’t see them shutting down their defense team even if the peace deal gets signed and the false peace is proclaimed. Its going to take major chaos and confusion to have the G/M team attack them and that hast to be the result immediately following the rapture to create such a scenario and having no backup help whatsoever from the US military. I know its not going to be pleasant reading articles about ISIS, Hamas and company with all their everlasting hatred threats ... but I’m going to start doing so because as the saying goes “loose lips sinks ships”. Perhaps one terrorist leader will be soooo antsy to give out clues of their future attack and we will get a heads up that way? B-) Given the fact that we are deep into speculation, gap or no gap either works for me. I don't think a strict classification of what those who remain might be called or what category they may fall into . In any event they shall eventually go through the tribulation period, IMHO! Indeed, again time is on our side! Still looking for a Rapture in May time frame, accommodating the Psalm's explanation of a generation. Between now and then much can happen! Like the tumblers of a combination safe, all will fall into it's sync and when it does, we're out of here! God has seemingly given us all this busy work of calculations to keep us focused and our minds off our troubles! Again, I must defer the finer details of our times to God. Rather much like expecting the birth of a child! Rather than get lost and obsessed with the exact time that baby is born, I choose to direct my thoughts towards being in His presence! So too, I'm not so much concerned with the glories of Heaven. That's just me! So looking forward to being with Him, and with each of you as well! Hugs for everyone! TR If we look to Rev 6:1-11 we see the first 5 of the 7 Seals opened: Rev 6:1 Then I saw the Lamb open one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures call out, as with a voice of thunder, "Come!" Clearly there are intervals of time between them. Rev 6:9 describes the Tribulation saints, murdered for their testimony of Jesus Christ. That won't happen overnight. But going back to the first four Seals we see the appearance of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypses. We know there will be great confusion and chaos due to the Rapture of the Church and so many people disappearing. Calamity will ensue. The first Horseman rides a white horse and is given power to conquer. This could happen right after the Rapture because the opportunities will be plentiful, not just against Israel, but all over the world. Look how people behaved in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina, and you can see it in most every situation where normal life is disrupted. So, all that to say, I do not believe there will be much of a gap, if any at all between the time we are raptured and the beginning of the Tribulation period. Ohhh so you’re saying Yohanan that each time the rider on the horse says “come” its in reference to another group of tribulation saints that get raptured up to heaven? T.R. if there is a “Gap” period ... David is talking about the dispensation of a person when they die in between the rapture event and before the tribulation starts. If its a unsaved person its a given they will be judged at the Great White Throne but a believer ... will they still be judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ or later on with the O.T. Saints ... and is that at the Sheep and Goat judgment? I was just thinking of Jesus’ earthly parents. Joseph died before Pentecost but Mary was a there at the crucifixion and resurrection and I’m assuming she was still alive 50 days later for Pentecost. If so ... then Mary falls under the Church Age group and Joseph doesn’t. Talk about major separation there when the rewards get handed out - Mary has a mansion in heaven and Joseph home will be on the restored earth. Plus job duties assigned will be totally different. Church Age believers will be ruling and reigning with Jesus. But the tribulation saints looks like they will be working in the Temple. So does this also apply to the O.T. Saints as well? Revelation 7:14-15 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. Hi Geri, Re: Riders. Not necessarily. That could be so but the the point I was trying to make is that the first two Riders will likely be released just after the Rapture given the opportunities that will present themselves. What you are suggesting could very likely happen, that Trib saints will be pouring into Heaven in between Riders. But I was addressing a gap between the time of the Rapture and the time of the first and/or second Seal being broken. It is my belief that at least the first Seal will come just after the Rapture. Oops ... sorry for being “impulsive Irene” ... I get what you’re saying now with the no gap. You have a lot of numbers written in the first line 6 1 11 5 7 and my mind went into panic mode ... I felt like I was back in algebra class with a formula to solve :wacko: Then when I glanced down at the passage ... for some reason the word “come” started jumping out on each of those rider verses. Now after you explained what you really meant and I went back to read the whole passage slooowly I see its one of the four living creatures calling out for the horse to come forth out the starting gates. So its not “come up here” command for the tribulation saints.
Rev 6:2 I looked, and there was a white horse! Its rider had a bow; a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering and to conquer.
Rev 6:3 When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature call out, "Come!"
Rev 6:4 And out came another horse, bright red; its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that people would slaughter one another; and he was given a great sword.
Rev 6:5 When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature call out, "Come!" I looked, and there was a black horse! Its rider held a pair of scales in his hand,
Rev 6:6 and I heard what seemed to be a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's pay, and three quarts of barley for a day's pay, but do not damage the olive oil and the wine!"
Rev 6:7 When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature call out, "Come!"
Rev 6:8 I looked and there was a pale green horse! Its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed with him; they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, famine, and pestilence, and by the wild animals of the earth.
Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slaughtered for the word of God and for the testimony they had given;
Rev 6:10 they cried out with a loud voice, "Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long will it be before you judge and avenge our blood on the inhabitants of the earth?"
Rev 6:11 They were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number would be complete both of their fellow servants and of their brothers and sisters, who were soon to be killed as they themselves had been killed.
