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The first Last Supper was indeed a Passover meal (that sounds funny saying that - first-last supper lol). However you are correct about this Geri, the purpose behind the Passover which found its ultimate meaning in Communion definitely transcended beyond the annual feast.

The elements of bread and wine (or grape juice) are the most simple of elements and have been around at least as long as Melchizedek in the Old Testament - many believe this is why Jesus said “Abraham rejoiced to see My day” theorizing that Abraham saw the future significance of communion when Melchizedek offered him bread and wine.

So yes, while the first Last Supper/Holy Communion came out of a Passover meal, the early disciples I think knew that once a year was not enough to experience this intimacy, and since they were in no way limited to celebrating this once a year and that all that was required was bread and wine and could be easily accomplished monthly, weekly or even daily with the simplicity of bread and wine having fellowship and communion with each other and with Jesus.  At least that is my take on it.  I know once a year is not enough for me, I celebrate communion weekly, and I know some that do it daily.

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Interesting about your view about … “Abraham rejoiced to see My day” was about meeting up with Melchizedek and having the communion of bread and wine.

 

I always thought Jesus was referring to this passage in Genesis 22:7-8  when Abraham is answering Isaac’s question “God will provide Himself a Lamb”. God showed Abraham a vision (time travel moment in the future per se) prior to that statement of the actual crucifixion event.

 

John 8:56
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

 

Genesis 22:7-8

And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?

And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

 

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Also very true and also very possible- so many wonderful shadows and hints about Jesus in the Old Testament- He is indeed the key to understanding it all!

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As far as the “first Last Supper was indeed a Passover meal

We actually don’t know for certain that was the case … because

I just got a pm from a friend who sent me a long youtube from Manchild Ministries youtube channel and he is indicating the last supper wasn’t a Passover (Seder)  meal but a wedding feast or betrothal dinner. 

This should be interesting to watch … ??

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. . and Jesus announced as well: "unto You Father, I commit My Spirit" , , oh, GLORY TO GOD~~ and the Father's response then shook the earth in thunderous satisfaction . . . ~ ~ How is it anyone would reject our God, yea, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all involved in this Supreme Sacrifice to save us . . ` ~ 

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Indeed whatever turns our hearts over to worshipping of God!

For God looks at the heart!  Whether we keep feastdays or not!

Whether one chases after everything Jewish or not!  I reject the notion that being a better Christian we must now after two thousand years embrace Jewish culture, language, idioms, dialect, etc!

TR

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We must follow Him, not chase after being Jewish!

TR

 

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Well I wasn’t there so I could not be dogmatic.  I would agree that a betrothal took place, I taught about that last night at my Seder as well, but to say it was not a Passover meal wouldn’t be a hill I would be willing to die on because it would seem to contradict scripture itself.  My opinion is framed by Luke 22:7-12

“Then came the Day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover must be killed. And He sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat.” So they said to Him, “Where do You want us to prepare?” And He said to them, “Behold, when you have entered the city, a man will meet you carrying a pitcher of water; follow him into the house which he enters. Then you shall say to the master of the house, ‘The Teacher says to you, “Where is the guest room where I may eat the Passover with My disciples?” ’ Then he will show you a large, furnished upper room; there make ready.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:7-12‬ ‭

That seems pretty black and white to me.  Also, we must consider that while we are under grace and are not required to celebrate Passover, the same cannot be said for Jesus.  He was bound by the Law and fulfilling all of it’s requirements.

As a Jew He had to keep the passover, failure to do so would have made Him a sinner according to the Law and thus would have disqualified Him to offer Himself as the Lamb of God - so yes, I’m pretty sure He celebrated Passover, although I was not there obviously to confirm it.

So if Holy Communion was not instituted at a Passover, when would it have been?  Contextually it just doesn’t make any sense.  Scripture all describes the events of passion week leading up to this Passover clearly shown in Luke 22 and the other gospel accounts, and to say it transcended into something greater, I totally agree - a betrothal, yes absolutely, Holy Communion to be celebrated far more often than once a year - again yes, absolutely.

But to suggest that this was not a Passover dinner that it all started at in my opinion does damage to and violates the very clear accounts that are presented to  us in scripture and would send up a red flag to me for anyone who would twist scripture to teach otherwise.  I’ll look up the video you suggested and give it a chance, but it would seem to me you would have to twist and warp a lot of scripture to say that Luke 22, which says passover, doesn’t really mean passover.

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Indeed God’s choice through father Abraham and the creation of the Jew as well as Christ being Jewish is wonderful, the Jews as a whole however have not always had a stellar track record!

Even still denying God’s messiah and endearing to build a temple of unbelief, I will glory in being a Christian gentle!

TR

 

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Also, TR, I want to be totally clear as to not offend anyone, I totally get where you are coming from bro, there are many who put too much stock in the Jewish roots - but I always like to point out don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.

I was not raised Jewish, but I did become very interested in these things years ago, and I always like to make myself crystal clear - lawlessness and legalism both are unacceptable in God’s eyes.  I would never suggest for any Christian to embrace Jewish roots to become a better Christian any more than I would embrace total lawlessness and depravity.

I can only make apology for my own feelings towards this and then encourage others to walk out their own walk of faith however the Spirit leads them and this is the metaphor I always use.

If I/we were a bride of some other ethnicity and I/we married an Italian man, would we not seek to learn to cook good Italian food and to some extent embrace his Italian culture to please our husband?

Or if we married a Hispanic husband or Chinese or any other nationality we could use the same example, the metaphor is easy to understand.

So then again - me personally - I cannot impute this to any other brother or sister in Christ - I consider that Jesus is Jewish, not was, is.  He could have chosen to come as any other race or nationality but chose to come to earth as a Jew, and since he is the same yesterday, today and forever, it would seem to imply that He did not shed that identity when He ascended back to heaven.

Why did He choose the Jewish ethos?  I have no idea.  I only know that He chose me as part of His bride and I want to know Him better.  Just like if I married an Italian savior (or fill in the blank nationality) I would investigate that culture in order to seek a deeper intimacy.

Again this is not to suggest that someone who does not see it the same way I do or practice their faith as I do is any less of a Christian in any way, I always want to be perfectly crystal clear about that.  I’m just offering an explanation and an apology for my walk of faith, and sharing the bread crumbs I have found along the way, because I’m just a beggar willing to happily share my flavor of bread. Or in this case, matza I guess lol.

Love you brother, and all y’all bros and sisters on here!

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