I think the bigger point being missed here is that a huge watch date is days away and people are very, very tired of being here so to have that hope dashed right before the date occurs can be rather upsetting to some. There are many of us whose lives are not so bad but to others every single day is a struggle. I think in light of others afflictions we should be more aware of how we go about positing our opinions. NONE of us know when the Rapture will be and anyone who thinks they do is going against what Jesus has already told us. I have no problems with anyone's opinions about the timing of the greatest of world events but perhaps we should be a little bit more sensitive to the needs of others. Perhaps the timing of this could have been better?? I remember a time when I went through the very dark valley of depression and the ONLY thing that kept me going was thinking Jesus may return at any moment. I agree! I have friends that are in a really tight spot right now! I praying all the time for Yahweh to blow the Trumpet! The thought about the Rapture being possible next year is tough for me as well! True enough hope is healing, but the let down devastating! At least until the next watch date! TR I have never felt it right to be dogmatic on a specific rapture date. We understand that we are in the season. Israel is 73 until May 14, 2022, Psalm 90:10 “The years of our life are seventy, or even by reason of strength eighty; yet their span is but toil and trouble; they are soon gone, and we fly away.” We are instructed to occupy and watch … Occupy —- Luke 1913 “Calling ten of his servants, he gave them ten minas, and said to them, ‘Engage in business until I come.’” Watch —- Matthew 25:13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.” Isaiah 55:8-9 “ For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.“ You have to look at the whole of scripture, but sometimes the pieces speak volumes. There are studies of all kinds, calendars, codes, seasons, astronomy, volcanism, weather, feasts, correlations of various Biblical events, etc… that lend to our understanding of our Harpazo Acts 1:10-11 “And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” Maybe or maybe not FOT, maybe this Wednesday or not! The story of Ruth and Boaz as the kinsman redeemer is very interesting to dissect and the history of a Galilean wedding is extremely interesting and that Christ would use this illustration and process as His last teaching and personal time to the men who would lead the beginning of the age of grace. This would be why I have held to an imminent (any minute) return - just my personal opinion and hope! :prayer-hands: Well said Sis! Again, it cannot be calculated to a specific day with any degree of certainty! I have maintained this for years. And no one will be able to say "thus sayeth the Lord"! That said, this is the final generation as we count down days! Will there be a corporate quickening of our spirits, perhaps! Perhaps not! In any event, many there be on the wall and many are looking up! TR Since the 1980’s I used to only have 2 high watch dates …. Easter, FOT and then I added Pentecost into the mix a few years ago and then 3 years ago I got really liberal and accept any day as a rapture day. Well … we are nearing FOT and I got my eyes on that now but I’m ALSO looking at the signs of the times. If we are still here in 2022 then we can expect world wide famine and mostly empty store shelves. And what is available … wouldn’t those prices be extremely high? And beef … will no longer be real meat. Expect crime to rise and mugging as you come out of the grocery stores and breaking into your homes because people will be starving. Doesn’t that sound like the Rider on the Black horse? :unsure: We got the Taliban/ISIS … only males in their 20’s and 30’s arriving in droves this week via various American commercial airplanes receiving the royal treatment from our government. I wonder if they will be handed guns and what not … Do you think they are here to do the dirty work … like going from door to door rounding up those who aren’t vaxx AND if we are Christians? We also have many slipper cells waiting for thee call to do their sinister terror strikes in various cities. Meanwhile the Middle East is a power keg ready to explode at any moment. Is this the last straw? Before God says ENOUGH? :unsure: Oh and covid … if we are here much longer … expect getting the shot or going to some FEMA camp to be ….. I just can’t expect us being here much longer … or else the rapture event will ONLY consist of “dead in Christ”. Call me a sucker … I thought the Shemetah pattern of 7 year alignment was sound … but I’m probably wrong about that because I’m not a Bible Scholar … if we are still here in 2022 … I will then be expecting the undertaker because I will stand in line for the jab and die that way since I have violent reactions to ANY shots. Hey, no more troubles ever again … only happiness forevermore in Beulah Land … Sweet Beulah Land. :whistle: [Dan's quote]Regarding Zechariah 12:10-14 and Matthew 24:30-31, David, what about those two passages suggest Fall to you? Zechariah 12:10-14 discusses families in Israel mourning over Him whom they have pierced. I don’t see Fall. And, just a thought of mine, proving nothing maybe, is that He was pierced on Nisan 14, Passover. https://www.thejoshlink.com/article304.htm There are three primary shofarim (trumpets) to be blown at specific Feasts of the LORD: It is on Yom Kippur when the Great Trump (Shofar HaGadol) is blown. Isaiah 27:13 Matthew 24:31 That points to the fall, specifically to the Day of Atonement. The Last Trump is blown at the Feast of Trumpets. Paul says we rise when the Last Trump sounds. 10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. 11 On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be as great as the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12 The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, 13 the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, 14 and all the rest of the clans and their wives. Zechariah 12:10-14 Zechariah 12 is about Armageddon. https://jesusplusnothing.com/series/post/DayOfAtonement The atonement day was to be a day of contrition, of weeping, of soul-sorrow for sin, of confession, reformation, and return to God, a day of heart-melting and charity. Without these accompaniments its oblations were vain, its incense useless, its solemnities but idle ceremonies. http://www.pray4zion.org/HanukkahFeastofDedication.html Yom Kippur is an annual observance that restored the people of Israel as a servant nation to God as a holy people. This complete fulfillment of Yom Kippur is prophesied in Zechariah 12:10-13:1, when our people will look unto Messiah whom we have pierced and then mourn for Him, and then the cleansing is nationally applied, and thus all Israel will be saved, as Paul understood this matter (Romans 11:26-27). There is one day on the Jewish calendar that the nation sets aside for mourning and repentance of sin. In this case, it will be the rejection of their Messiah for 2,000 years. Jesus was the Passover Lamb of God, but the Day of Atonement was when the nation dealt with its national and personal sins. 16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Zechariah 14:16-19 What global event will take place that will require the nations to come together each year and worship the King? I would submit that it is the inauguration of the Millennial reign. [Dan's quote]Also following Matthew 24:30-31, the next two verses continue, “Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.” That sounds more like Spring. Just sayin’ / askin’… That is a parable about how the fig tree putting forth leaves is an early indicator that summer is coming, even if it does not appear obvious from other circumstances. In itself, it does not tell us anything about the precise timing of the rapture or the Second Coming. It is a picture of hope. What else? 15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. Matthew 24:15-21 If the seven years starts in the spring, then that puts the Abomination of Desolation 42 months (0r six months) ahead on the calendar. That would be a terrible time to have to run for your life. I believe God will answer their prayer, and the weather will not prohibit their flight from Jerusalem. I also think that Passover would be the most likely time for the Abomination of Desolation to occur and the "sacrifices and oblations to cease." 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Daniel 9:27 That would really be an insult to God and the Jewish people, for the Man of Sin to cancel Passover and declare Himself to be God. http://www.pray4zion.org/HanukkahFeastofDedication.html Hanukkah is always 75 days after The Day of Atonement and may be related to an interesting prophecy in Daniel 12:12; "Blessed is he who waits and comes to the thousand three hundred and thirty-five days." (M KJV) 1,335 days is exactly 75 days more than the 1260 days that Antichrist will reign. So, if the Antichrist is destroyed on the Day of Atonement, then the extra 75 days lands us directly on the first day of Hanukkah. Hanukkah celebrates the cleansing of the Temple, following the desecration of it by Antiochus Epiphanes, the Old Testament prefiguring of the coming Antichrist. It would fit perfectly with the inauguration of the Millennial Temple under the Messiah. Now, if the Tribulation happens to be a spring to spring event, all that symbolism is rendered meaningless. I think it makes much more sense for the seven years to run from fall to fall, than to be placed in the time of spring. As for the rapture, the timing is an open question, depending on whether you believe it immediately precedes the Tribulation or not. "Sudden destruction" seems to suggest there is not much of a gap in time, if any. Nissan 10 is Palm Sunday, which is certainly a holy day on the calendar. Heather believes (if I recall correctly?) that it should be connected with the reign of kings, since Jesus was presented to Israel on that day. But He was presented as the sacrificial Lamb on Nissan 10. That does not for me necessitate Jesus being crowned as King of Israel on that day. I understand the argument [reasoning] behind it, though I don't share that view. This is a discussion forum, and we all have a right to disagree on details. That's how we learn, and we should seek to respect one another's views. None of us really know so I would say it would be arrogant of any of us to say the Rapture will or won't happen on such and such a day. To be honest, I find a 2023-2025 Rapture the most compelling as that would have Jesus' Second Coming happen on roughly the 2,000th anniversary of His death, burial and resurrection. We could be here for a couple of more years. However, I think this verse throws everything up in the air. God is going to shorten the days. Is it the Tribulation period being shorter? Is it the Tribulation starting earlier? We really don't know. Matthew 24:22 New King James Version 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. We just don't know. God has the perfect time and that's that. Hoping it is Yom Teruah 2021. There is no reason it could not be. :yahoo: Arthur, the expression about the days being shortened means that the Father has already set a time limit upon them from eternity. The time given is the time it will take. It's saying God knew to the day how much the human race could withstand and won't allow one day more than that to pass. In Greek, the sense of it is: "If those days had not already been shortened, no flesh would be saved." I understand your point Yohanan, and yes, we should all be careful how we type/speak, I'm as guilty of that as anyone else. I'm left handed thus I think differently to your perspective (your now going to tell me your left handed aswell :popcorn ), I think it can be just as damaging either way, I only posted to give a bit of caution and balance. The fact is, we are all struggling in different ways, I personally, for my own sanity, decided several years ago to just worry about the day I'm in and thank the Lord for getting me through it.
Maranatha!
I heard “rumors” that before this year is over … our American flag “might” be changed … to this
(a) "The First Trump" in Shavuot (Pentecost);
(b) "The Last Trump" in Rosh Hashanah (Feast of Trumpets); and
(c) "The Great Trump" in Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement).
So it shall be in that day:
The great trumpet will be blown;
They will come, who are about to perish in the land of Assyria,
And they who are outcasts in the land of Egypt,
And shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet,
and they will gather together His elect from the four winds,
from one end of heaven to the other.
The Great Trump is blown at the Day of Atonement. This is connected with the gathering when Jesus comes to the earth.
