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Are we (and Israel) headed for all out war with Iran?

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Tammie
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Interesting and exciting days ahead! :popcorn :popcorn :prayer-hands: :flyup:

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Iran desperately wants to have a war.  The leadership consists of "twelvers" who believe the 12th Imam will emerge following world war.

https://noqreport.com/2019/06/21/know-thy-enemy-iran-driven-belief-twelver-shia-islam/

They also believe that if Trump goes to war with Iran, it will turn the public against him and guarantee a more liberal president will replace him.

Also, if Iran (Persia) is going to attack Israel in the Gog/Magog war, it seems unlikely that we would have neutralized them as a threat by that point.  The Lord has to step in and take action, because we won't.

There may be some skirmishes, but all out war seems unlikely before then.

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Hi David - Boy do they want a war! Check this out from Debka...

 

Pro-Iran PMU forces take over Iraq’s Saudi, Jordanian borders, threaten Israel from the east

 

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Sep 22, 2019 @ 8:37 Iran, Iraqi-Saudi Iraq-Jordan borders, Israel, PMU border takeover, Qasem Soleimani

Iran was on its next move by the time the US announced on Sept. 21 the deployment of more troops and enhanced air and missile defense systems for Saudi Arabia and the UAE in response to the attack on Saudi oil facilities. As the USS Nitze destroyer deployed to the northern Red Sea opposite the Saudi coast, armed with Aegis combat systems for tracking and intercepting cruise missiles, Iraqi Shiite Population Mobilization Forces (PMU) swarmed up to Iraq’s borders with Saudi Arabia and Jordan, DEBKAfile’s exclusive military and intelligence sources reveal.

Washington’s cautious response to the attack on Saudi Arabia and US sanctions were met by Iranian aggression in full momentum and its heightened threat to Saudi Arabia and US allies. By posting its Iraqi proxy PMU forces on the two border regions, Tehran directly threatens the Saudi capital Riyadh from the north and Israel from the east.

The Iraqi militia far outstrips Iraq’s national army in scale and armament, possessing new tanks, ground-to-ground missiles and an array of explosive UAVs.

This is also Tehran’s countermove for the Saudi-Israeli air strikes on the IRGC Al Qods-PMU military compounds at Abu Kamal in eastern Syria and Al Qaim on the Iraqi side of the border. (See the previous DEBKA report).

According to our sources, the PMU’s double border takeover began on Sept 18 and was in place by Saturday. Sept. 21. The operation was set up by the Al Qods chief, Iran’s Middle East commander Gen. Qassem Soleimani, who spent part of last week in Baghdad in conference with PMU leaders. An officer called Col. Qassem Masliyah was appointed to lead Iran’s seizures of the two key borders. The operation was codenamed “The Will of Victory.”

The Iraqi militia used the Iraqi national army’s operations against ISIS remnants in western Iraq to camouflage its movements, at times even exploiting the Iraqi air force for its secret purpose. However, by Sunday, Sept. 22, The Will of Victory cat was out of the bag. Iraqi prime minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi ordered the army to recover the border regions from the PMU. This was largely an empty step, since the Iraqi army is no match for the powerful pro-Iranian militia and its commanders are unlikely to take on the challenge.

 

https://www.debka.com/pro-iran-pmu-forces-take-over-iraqs-saudi-jordanian-borders-threaten-israel-from-the-east/?fbclid=IwAR3cDIwwlmkV5HE8Wo382mB5X8GN7kK_xa7BxpxwRNYUlX56mWJkE6y_4HE

 

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David said,

Also, if Iran (Persia) is going to attack Israel in the Gog/Magog war, it seems unlikely that we would have neutralized them as a threat by that point.  The Lord has to step in and take action, because we won’t.

There may be some skirmishes, but all out war seems unlikely before then.

The force that Ezekiel 38 speaks about is armed and well prepared. they are bold enough to think America isn't going to stop them or retaliate (at least not retaliate in a way that would overthrow the countries involved in the attack. America isn't in the equation as a threat that stops this attack)

America did not exist obviously at the time the prophecy was written, but there is no hint of fear of some great nation punishing them or taking back the spoils they go after. these troops really believe they will get away with it.

the bold is added in the verses below by me. there is quite the fan base and multinational support for this. I can't imagine that US intelligence, technology wouldn't know about the gathering of the equipment and troops. Something is going to happen to change America being a guard or a watch to warn Israel. I hope it is the rapture.

But God. Living God is someone that these forces do not take into account. The leaders do not foresee the defeat that is about to come upon them. These many involved nations and "all belonging" to them come against Israel at a time that many nations are against Israel. Israel doesn't come out of the nations and gather against Israel, but the troops who will come against Israel come out from many nations against the land of Israel.

what do you think about a prince being in the fight? a prince is not the king, but the son of a king. a prince has designated authority over an area under someone else who is the actual legal authority.

Ezekiel 38 (Jezekiel in the Septuagint)

1 And the word of the Lord came to me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, and the land of Magog, Rhos, prince of Mesoch and Thobel, and prophesy against him,
3 and say to him, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, Rhos prince of Mesoch and Thobel:
4 and I will gather thee, and all thine host, horses and horsemen, all wearing breast-plates, with a great multitude, shields and helmets and swords:
5 Persians, and Ethiopians, and Libyans; all with helmets and shields.
6 Gomer, and all belonging to him; the house of Thorgama, from the end of the north, and all belonging to him; and many nations with thee.
7 Be thou prepared, prepare thyself, thou, and all thy multitude that is assembled with thee, and thou shalt be to me for a guard.
8 He shall be prepared after many days, and he shall come at the end of years, and shall come to a land that is brought back from the sword, when are gathered from many nations against the land of Israel, which was entirely desolate: and he is come forth out of the nations, and they shall all dwell securely.

 

 

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i didn't see how to edit my post. just want to say, that although Turkey is still in NATO, they are not concerned about breaking their relationship with NATO countries who might disagree with an Ezekiel 38 attack on Israel.

The way leadership in Turkey is set up now, there is an executive president and Turkey has an office of vice president. If the president resigns or dies, instead of vice president taking over, the Speaker of Turkey's Grand National Assembly steps in as an Acting President with the authority and power of the office of president. An election is supposed to happen 45 days after the president is out of office.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Turkey

So I wonder as far as "prince of Meshech and Tubal" - Ez 38:3- if this is a reference to a vice president of Turkey, a speaker, or who. He is not "king", he is "prince".

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Well, well, well ....

Today, Amir posted .... Tehran and Moscow clash over Iranian plans to build up military command center near ... Damascus ... :mdrmdr:

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Just keep staying alert siblings .... while the mega fireworks kaboom show is approaching ... our redemption is drawing near!!!  Woohoo!  :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup:

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Indeed Israel is primed for war.  Taking into account the climate of hatred for Israel, the geo political climates globally and their respective agenda's war is truly imminent.

Also if we can put any stock into prophetic statements made by some as characterized in the thread of 4 interesting articles offered by "No fear, just faith",  our belief that we are living in the final generation is being constantly reinforced.

Indeed wars and rumors of wars.  The subtle but distinct difference between those who are deceived by their own itchy ears and true prophetic pronouncements lies in which agenda is being served.  Private interpretation and itchy ears seeks to promote personal agenda's of men.  True prophetic utterance seeks to advance the agenda of God!

TR

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Wow!!! It is amazing how close we are to the edge but not tipping over yet!!

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Revolutionary Guards commander: Iran has encircled Israel from all sides

If Israel makes a strategic mistake, it has to collect bits and pieces of Tel Aviv from the lower depths of the Mediterranean Sea," IRGC Deputy Commander for Operations Abbas Nilforoushan said.

JerusalemPost.com

By Rossella Tercatin
September 29, 2019

An Iranian Revolutionary Guards top commander threatened Israel, warning against an Israeli attack on Iran, Radio Farda reported on Saturday. "If Israel makes a strategic mistake, it has to collect bits and pieces of Tel Aviv from the lower depths of the Mediterranean Sea," IRGC Deputy Commander for Operations Abbas Nilforoushan said in an interview with the IRGC's Tasnim news agency, as reported by the US-funded Iranian branch of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.

Nilforoushan added that "Israel is not in a position to threaten Iran" and that "Iran has encircled Israel from all four sides." "Nothing will be left of Israel" in case of a conflict between the two countries, he vowed. The commander also commented on the confrontation between Israel and Iran forces or proxies in Lebanon and Syria. "We will perceive any mistake in the region as involvement in a war in the whole region. Any action to start a war in the region will flare up a fire that will burn those who have started the war," he said.

Earlier this year, Israel claimed responsibility for hundreds of strikes against Iranian targets in Syria. Nilforoushan also stated that Hezbollah would "liberate northern Israel in case a war breaks out." "This will certainly happen, as Hezbollah has a good capability to do it," he said. According to Radio Farda, the general was born in 1966 in Isfahan and has also served as a "military adviser" in countries that are the members of the "Resistance Front," as Iran refers to the Syrian battlefields.

"Israel lacks strategic depth," Nilforoushan said, adding that because of it, "if only one missile hits the occupied lands, Israeli airports will be filled with people trying to run away from the country." This statement, as well as other claims by the Iranian general, seemed to be devoid of factual basis. For instance, in the interview, he claimed that Israelis are "poor," when according to the International Monetary Fund, in 2018 the GDP per capita in Israel was over $41,000, while in Iran it was less than $6,000. Nilforoushan also said Iran developed a "deep and long-range assault capability." "We will not let the enemies to face us at our borders. We will quickly drag the war to the bases and interests of the enemies anywhere they may happen to be," he pledged.

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Hmmm ... couldn’t help but think of these verses  .... :popcorn

Luke 21:20 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies ...”

Luke 21:28  “And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.”   

 

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1 interpretation of Daniel 8: 1 - 9 is that it's a duel prophecy. First it represents Alexander the Great and Greece conquering the Medes and the Persians and the other could be the USA defeating modern day Iran.

Verse 5 sounds like it could be America destroying Iran with airstrikes. America is west of Iran. American military bases are all over the whole earth and planes do not touch the ground

And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. Dan 8:5

Verses 6 - 7 could be Iran (ram) getting totally destroyed by America...

And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. Dan 8: 6 - 7

Verses 8 - 9 sound like they could be a reference to the 4 horsemen of Revelation with the AC being the little horn...

Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. Dan 8: 8 - 9

So if Daniel 8 is a duel prophecy America will completely destroy Iran from above and the AC will appear after it's over.

Considering all out war with Iran could happen at any moment and that the rapture could happen at any moment this possible duel prophecy is looking really good right now !!!

 

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