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MyWhiteStone
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I have spent a lot of my last 6 ½ years since joining RITA Now thinking about what our day-in-day-out lives will be like, say in the Millennium, starting in about 7 ½ years from now.  The world will be in a rebuilding state – homes, towns, burgs, shires, villages, all coming together …  Maybe at first a lot of mortals (maybe we too?) will enjoy tilling the soil in lush fruitful climates, planting their trees, and soon laid back enjoying life. We are told that the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as waters cover the sea.  Everyone, mortals and immortals alike, will be then all about sharing – loving their neighbors as themselves.  But will all competition have vanished? Forever?

Suppose that sometime within the next 500 years, you with some friends come up with a fantastic means to do something or invent something that would have a far-reaching benefit to mankind. Something no one ever thought of, say extending the life of the average 350-year-old by another 150 years (see Isaiah 65:20)!  You are endowed with eternal philanthropy and so you share your research and development results (R&D) with scores or hundreds of other interested enterprises and establish a high global recognition incentive to be granted to the company who brings it to market soonest at the most reasonable price.  Competition for the good of mankind is the appeal, not for the greed of the shareholders, even though the monetary rewards might just be astonishing for all the cooperating companies.

Zooming back to the present for a moment: Driving home from church the other morning I saw a Tesla electric car drive by. The R&D that had to go into its design was undoubtedly guarded carefully.  Why?  Simple: competition for the electric car dollar. But with Christ on the Throne soon and our ruling and reigning with Him, how might commerce and competition then be different?  Forbidden?  Fostered?  Flourishing?

Another fun potential scenario regarding competition in the Kingdom: You and your former spouse down here were very good bridge players. Your great grandfather, a Christian believer whom you eventually found, also excelled in playing an earlier 19th century version of bridge. The games differ in some ways so you start by formalizing rules. After all, games are pointless wastes of time without rules. But maybe if competition in the Kingdom is actually discouraged, rules would languish. Perhaps players could agree to simply shuffle the cards with skill, then cut and deal them. No strategy or bidding skill is needed. Nor desired. Then after the cards are dealt, they are all regathered, pushed back together, reshuffled, cut and dealt. Yawn! Perhaps no winners, but happily no losers either! Maybe the winners are those who stay awake. That might be easier for us immortals.

Another one – sports: Someone redesigns and manufactures new basketball, football, and hockey gear.  Mortals have a lot of leisure time on their hands, so they buy all kinds of sporting goods.  Teams are formed and local rules are written, and everyone, mortals and immortals alike, have a good time trying to be the best they can be.  Competiton again. But it soon becomes clear that leagues are needed. For example basketball games are more easily won by we immortals who according to Isaiah 40 can mount up with wings as eagles…

Have you ever thought there might be competition of any kind in the Kingdom? What would you hope it looks like?  Finally, will immortals and mortals mix in any way? Be next-door neighbors maybe?

Dan   :unsure: :wacko: :scratch: :feedback


 
Posted : March 9, 2019 3:47 pm
 Tom
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The 1,000 year reign of Christ as King of Kings on the refurbished Earth will be an awesome time for His Bride, the Saints of old and the Tribulation saints that were slain will rule and reign with Him.  First of all, for all those that belong to Christ they will have a glorified body.  Old things will have passed away and all things become new it would seem to apply to our physical bodies, our mind (pattern of thinking and doing) and our ability to totally submit to Christ and His agenda.  The only competition I see us doing is the desire to be the best servant just like our Savior.  Our bodies will no longer have the entity of sin dwelling with in it and can never be corrupted or die which mean our source of life will no longer be blood or oxygen or water or food but one that has a God given gene and new DNA. Scripture suggest we will be encased in light and not subject to the laws of nature as we know it now.   At least that is my best understanding.

Those Jews and Gentiles that made it through the great Tribulation will repopulate the Earth and we will be the ambassadors and Priest in the Government of Christ which will be based in Jerusalem. (Rev. 20:6)  There will be a Temple in Jerusalem where the Jewish people will still live under the covenant God made with Moses.  All feast and laws will continue to be carried out by them and the Gentiles will be required to come to Jerusalem once a year for the Feast of Tabernacles.  See Ezk. chapter 40 thru 48 and Zach. 14:16-21

With Jesus as our Bridegroom, I suspect our focus and desire will be for Him.  He is our Head and we are His body.  All that we do will be directed by Him and we will love every second of it.  :yahoo:

 


 
Posted : March 9, 2019 8:55 pm
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Like Tom said, we will be glorified, and there will be those not glorified with their sin nature intact.  So considering your question, we would have to decide if competition is considered sinful.  Is it sinning to be a winner?  I don't think so, unless you are an ungracious winner.  Is it a sin to be a loser?  I don't think so, unless you are an angry, ungracious loser.  So why would competition be considered wrong?  If it is not wrong, and such a big part of humanity, why would it be destroyed?

Another way to think of it is, did God make competition as a good part of humanity or was it a result of the fall?  Did Adam and Eve play games before the fall and have a good ole time?  If they did, which I can just picture it, there had to be a winner and a loser.  But honestly, did they really care if they lost?  Wouldn't they be like, "Hey, great job on besting me?"  I think so.  There was just no ego there.  So if God made our brains to be able to enjoy lively competition and enjoy it, why  in the Millennium would He undo something He considered good?

When I go camping with my family we put up a volleyball net and play badminton.  We play for hours and hours and laugh so hard our guts hurt the next day.  We have done this for years.  I look back at those times, and I do not remember how many times I have been on the winning team or the losing team.  I don't ever remember anyone feeling bad for losing or getting upset at any unfairness.  It was all fun, because no one cared who won or lost.  We just wanted to enjoy playing together.  That is how I picture it in the Millennium.  We will be playing and laughing and having a great time of fellowship and joy!  Don't you think that would make Jesus smile?  Can't you picture Him joining in?  LOL.  :calvin

 


 
Posted : March 10, 2019 9:26 am
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I’m kind of hoping there are amusement parks with rides as well as water parks not just in heaven but on the restored earth as well.

I also hope there are movie theaters so we get to see the re-enactment of the Bible stories ...

Can you just picture in theater #1 now showing the creation story and we see how it all came together in 6 days?  In theater #2 the story of Abraham. In theater #3 Noah and the flood.  Theater #4 Moses and parting of the Red Sea.  Theater #5 David’s fight against Goliath, etc.  while the angels serve us snacks - popcorn :popcorn  and fruit slushie drinks. :whistle:

After all there will be corn in heaven ...

Psalm 78:24-25 “And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven. Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full.”

 


 
Posted : March 10, 2019 9:56 am
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I love that idea!  I like movies.  Smile :popcorn

But I really LOVE rollercoaster!  I hope we have a ton of them.  This one is on my bucket list.


 
Posted : March 10, 2019 10:03 am
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I also love playing cards “Michigan Rummy”.  We used pennies to fill the bowls. The winner never keeps the pennies and we just re-used them again the next time we played.  Can you imagine using diamond chips or small gold nuggets?

I also hope there are libraries.  We know the Lord uses books - “the books were open” and there is the “Book of Life”.  So I’m hoping that there are libraries  that contain books on all those who got saved and how they became believers as well as the family tree of their ancestors.  It will be so cool to read our background heritage.


 
Posted : March 10, 2019 10:35 am
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Yikes ... that is one scary rollercoaster! LOL ...ok, I promise I will be up for the challenge of this one ... in the next life. :yes:


 
Posted : March 10, 2019 10:44 am
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I love books and learning and I truly hope we continue to learn in Heaven! I can imagine walking the Great Hall of Learning with Jesus as Teacher!

Roller coasters? Nah! That would be like that place I do not want to go for me 😉


 
Posted : March 10, 2019 1:27 pm
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Thanks, Tom. I believe everything you have stated. I think one thing I'm suggesting though is that we'll have "glorious" freedom (see Romans 8 and elsewhere) in our choices of activity. Particularly in relation to daily life.

Truly as you stated, Tom, our focus and desire will be for Him, what we do will be directed by Him, and we'll indeed enjoy every second of our lives; but wouldn't that freedom likely include pursuit of all manner of un-directed activity?  Personal interests? I'm certain He will not micromanage us or discourage personal initiative, pleasure, preference, or gifting in any way.  I expect we'll have wisdom to know what to do in our main job as rulers and reigners with Him, particularly within the "regions" within which we are expected to perform.

Recall in the movie, "Chariots of Fire," that Eric Liddell told his sister, "God made me fast, Ginny, and when I run I feel His pleasure."  I suspect Eric Liddell when resurrected may still be gifted "fast." And he just might enjoy a challenge from someone else fast.  And I do know that  Yohanan here is chomping at the bit to play football up there.  To win!  I further suspect that if someone prefers living a monastic existence, God would also honor that and aid such a person to come up with prayer lists.

One big thing I do wonder, Tom, is whether we'll rub physical elbows with mortals.  And if so, in what contexts?  Will we perform our future roles similarly to how God's (unseen) Divine Council has performed since the beginning in our world, or perhaps only make occasional or special rare appearances as angels do -- unawares – serving in behalf of our charges?  Or will we possibly have earthly (plus New Jerusalem-ly) physical residences?  Will we be among those possibly implied in Isaiah 30:21, who walk behind mortals saying, "...This is the correct way. Walk in it."  For certain the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as waters cover the sea, as stated a few places in the Word, so maybe at that time we'll be effective teachers, maybe seen or maybe unseen.


 
Posted : March 10, 2019 4:00 pm
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An interesting quote from Chariots of Fire “God made me fast, Ginny, and when I run I feel His pleasure.” I believe that even atheists praise God, whether they like it or not, when they perform the talents He has given them. :popcorn


 
Posted : March 10, 2019 4:28 pm
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:wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :groan


 
Posted : March 10, 2019 6:08 pm
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The victorious but sad Jewish runner in that movie didn't recognize the gift though, did he? He lamented that ten seconds out of his life justified his entire existence.  Glory to God on the other hand is the name of a believer's game.  Even the greater catechism's first question about the purpose of man is responded to by saying, "to glorify God and to enjoy Him forever."  I guess for many really gifted but clueless people who miss that understanding, it's hard to be humble. Sadly if it's all pride, they already have their reward.


 
Posted : March 10, 2019 6:31 pm
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MyWhiteStone wrote: "Finally, will immortals and mortals mix in any way? Be next-door neighbors maybe?"

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Revelation 20:9

This is an interesting verse which suggests (if I am understanding it correctly) that the saints, whom I take to be those in glorified bodies, will have a camp near Jerusalem.  It might be something like a base of operations for the government.

I also think one reason for the rebellion at the end is the resentment of those who are immortal among the mortal population.  Just an idea.

 


 
Posted : March 10, 2019 10:55 pm
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Who could possibly resent a nice old immortal, David? (tongue way into cheek here Smile )

Thanks for the thought / the perspective.


 
Posted : March 10, 2019 11:01 pm
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Seems to me that our understanding of how things will be in our new body with it's different abilities and lack of needs can not be conceived since we have no experience to rely upon to judge.  Since we will no longer have a human body that likes recreation to find happiness and rest from the grind  of trying to make ends meet in this money based world we live in it is hard to imagine living in a world that has no reasons to get our "needs" met since we will be fully loved unconditionally and every physical and emotional need will be taken care of by our Bridegroom.  Since we belong to Him, He will take care of ALL our needs and desires (whatever they might be) which will be much different than we can conceive or understand as long as we are in this body of sin of which we long to be rid.   Amen? :yahoo: :prayer-hands: :rose:


 
Posted : March 13, 2019 11:28 am
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