
📢 Forum Update - Hello everyone! I've made an improvement to the forum that should make following active discussions much easier. Beginning today, forum topics will display the most recent replies first (while keeping the original topic post at the top), so you no longer have to navigate through multiple pages to find the latest conversation. This change also helps improve the browsing experience in long-running discussions with many pages of replies. If you notice anything that doesn't seem to be working correctly or have any feedback, please let me know. — Richard G. My good friend LA Marzulli and Chuck Missler "talk and talked" about the 10 dimensions and the fallen ones that surround us even though we cant see them on many occasions. Their manta was that "we struggle not against things in this world but against the principalities. The fallen angels." LA Marzulli and Chuck will and would also both say; that when we know we are in the presence of the fallen ones that we are "to rebuke with the blood of Jesus." "Got Questions. Org" Question: "What are principalities and powers?" Answer: The phrase principalities and powers occurs six times in the Bible, always in the King James Version and its derivatives (NKJV, MKJV). Other versions translate it variously as “rulers and authorities,” “forces and authorities,” and “rulers and powers.” In most places where the phrase appears, the contexts make it clear that it refers to the vast array of evil and malicious spirits who make war against the people of God. The principalities and powers of Satan are usually in view here, beings that wield power in the unseen realms to oppose everything and everyone that is of God. The first mention of principalities and powers is in Romans 8:37–39: “No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” These verses are about the victory Christ has won over all the forces ranged against us. We are “more than conquerors” because no force—not life, not death, not angels, not demons, indeed nothing—can separate us from the love of God. The “powers” referred to here are those with miraculous powers, whether false teachers and prophets or the very demonic entities that empower them. What is clear is that, whoever they are, they cannot separate us from the love of God. Victory is assured. It would be unfortunate to dwell on identifying the powers and miss the main thrust of the verse, which is assurance about what God has done to save us. Another mention of principalities and powers is in Colossians 1:16, “For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.” Here is the clear statement that God is the Creator and Ruler over all authorities, whether they submit to Him or rebel against Him. Whatever power the evil forces possess, they are not out of the ultimate control of our sovereign God, who uses even the wicked for bringing about His perfect plan and purpose (Daniel 4:35; Isaiah 46:10–11). In the next chapter of Colossians, we read about Jesus’ ultimate power over all other powers: “And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross” (Colossians 2:15). In keeping with all things, the powers are created by Christ and therefore under His control. They are not to be feared, for they have been disarmed by the cross. The Savior, by His death, took dominion from them, and took back what they had captured. Satan and his legions had invaded the earth and drawn mankind into captivity, subjecting them to their evil reign. But Christ, by His death, subdued the invaders and recaptured those who had been vanquished. Colossians 2:14 speaks of Jesus being nailed to the cross along with the written charges against us. The record of our wrongdoing, with which Satan accuses us before God, is nailed with Christ to the cross. It is thereby destroyed, and the powers can no longer accuse us; we are innocent in the eyes of God. Hence, they are disarmed. Ephesians 3:10–11 presents different principalities and powers—those of the heavenly realms: “His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose which he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Here we see the angelic hosts being shown the wisdom and purpose of God in the plan of salvation through Christ. Angels, both holy and unholy, witness the glory of God and the preeminence of Christ above all creatures in the church, those who are saved and preserved by His power (Ephesians 1:20–21). Ephesians 6:12 declares the warfare in which we are engaged as we battle throughout our lives “against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.” So, having been saved, we must continue to struggle to do good things in light of the sure victory promised in Romans 8. It is as though we are facing an army of dark powers who have been disarmed from real power and against whom we have been promised victory. It is our job to demonstrate and depend upon the wisdom and power of God in defeating them in our lives. We can do this by trusting in God’s victory. The final reference to principalities and powers is Titus 3:1. Here they refer to those governmental authorities whom God has placed over us for our protection and welfare. They are God’s representatives on earth, and submission to Him involves submission to His duly constituted authorities. Those who rebel against earthly authorities are “rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves” (Romans 13:2). Quote from Question's.org was meant for educational purposes only. So we have control over the fallen ones because of what Christ did on the Cross???? Sounds Right So Rebuking should cast these Demons to Hell or aside for Awhile? So why does it feel like our duration under these demonic entities lasts so long? I don't know? I will say through rebuking I've had only temporary relief only to rebuke several hours later some times minutes later. So here is my struggle. Which Begs the Question "Must Satan ask the Father for permission to torment the elect, the body of Christ, those whose names are written in the lambs book of life?" Quote from https://www.truthortradition.com/articles/must-satan-ask-gods-permission-to-do-evil Quote from www.truthortradition" was mean for educational purposes only. Misunderstanding rather than literal rather than figurative, the “conversations” between God and Satan in the book of Job has caused many people no end of confusion, because it certainly sounds as if the Devil must ask permission from God to do evil, and furthermore, that God sometimes grants him such permission. The New Testament, however, reveals Satan as the “god of this age,” who does not ask God’s permission before doing evil. If he did, the so-called “war” raging between the forces of good and evil would be a sham. This is why the dialogue between God and Satan must be an allegory, set forth in Scripture as it is because of the limited understanding of the Old Testament believers. [1] The way most people have interpreted the book of Job leaves God looking like a bored puppeteer who gets his kicks by tormenting one of his puppets and killing a lot of innocent bystanders just to win a bet with the Devil. [2]By the way, if the Devil did have to get God’s permission in order to do evil, evil would be easy to stop. God could “Just say No!” According to this author I've misinterpreted scripture. Satan doesnt have to ask for permission. And Yes I'm the dork with a buried cross at each corner of my building. The same dork who has a cross in every corner of his apartment and the same dork with a cross above each door. Some times I think I'm tormented more because of that? 1. "My struggle is that he knew my every step before I ever took it" 2. "If he knew my every step he gave permission to let satan torment me before I was even born?" 3. "If he knew I would rebuke and then I begged for relief, why wouldnt he let the relief last?" I don't think I will ever have an answer. I know there is relief calling out to Christ and I know that we can rebuke and cast our demons. I wish I understood more. God Bless You, dear brother! That was such a sweet, uplifting prayer. You made me cry. :rose: Now I know why you’re called Tender Reed! Thank you so much for being concerned and caring. ((Cyber hugs to you)) Bless your heart Sis! Greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world. Great Heavenly Father, Geri 7 is your precious daughter. You chose her before the foundations of the world were laid. Please send a company of warrior angels to encompass her 24/7. Set Your standard of protection and surround her with your love! I ask you now Lord, that You yourself rebuke the enemy on her behalf! Hide her beneath Your wings Lord. Cup her in the palm of Your hands! Let the light of her love for You blind the enemy and help enlighten the path for others. Embrace her spirit Lord, as a groom embraces His Bride! And she as the Bride, ever keep her eyes upon You! Glory Lord, in her love of you. Let all of Heaven and Earth resound in thanksgiving for her love! In Jesus' name, I pray! TR I’m not sure why some believers experience more of these kinds of attacks than others. I’m just glad we have Jesus to call upon and He faithfully rescues us out of them! Glad that finish line is up ahead. My real name means “victorious spirit” so hopefully I won’t be seen crawling across the line ... lol Wow again, Geri. Let's just say I'm Grateful for never personally experiencing anything like those. Maybe I just haven't been dangerous enough to Evil. (??) You are a brave woman. I'm thankful for this testimony.![]()
If Satan doesnt have to ask permission from the father "Why Not?"