I was just reading about the 24 Elders around the Throne in heaven ... represents Jacob’s 12 sons of Israel and the other 12 the Apostles of the church. This got me pondering about when the church saints gets their glorified bodies at the rapture ... those believers before the church age will still be without their new bodies. What must they be thinking ... will they be in wonder that the church is a special set apart group? Also when do they receive their new bodies? After the trib or after the millennium? Will they also be assigned job duties during the millennium kingdom and will we see king David also ruling or will it be Jesus alone? 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days. Daniel 12:12-13 From this, I would gather that Daniel (an Old Testament saint) is to be raised at the end of "the days." I never noticed before, but since the angel just mentioned 1,335 days, that might be the time period being referenced as the time for the O. T. believers to be raised. Very interesting ... 1,277.5 days is 3 1/2 years 2,555 days is 7 years so 1,335 days is 43 months and about 27 days when the O.T. Saints get their new glorified bodies. And I’m assuming the 2 witnesses will get theirs exactly at 1,277.5 marker so the O.T. Saints will have to wait 1 month and 27 days later. When do you think the Tribulation Saints get their glorified bodies? At the same time as the O.T. Saints at the 1,335 days point? I’m trying to study this further and I feel like I opened Pandora’s box :wacko: ... I have more questions ... From “Bible Study Tools” - 20.5.1. Order of Resurrection It says ... “According to Fruchtenbaum, in the Millennial Kingdom, believers never die but sinners die at age 100. This could account for the lack of mention of a post-millennium resurrection of the righteous dead. Death in the millennium will be for unbelievers only. This is why the Bible does not speak of a resurrection of millennial saints, and why the resurrection of the tribulation saints is said to complete the first resurrection (Revelation Rev. 20:4-6+).” - Fair use for information and discussion purposes - ———— My first question is ... will it be only the believing Jews that make it through the tribulation that get ushered into the Millennium Kingdom or will there also be believing Gentiles as well in that group? Then my 2nd question is ... according to Fruchtenbaum ... if these believers are to live a full 1,000 years without dying and do not experience a physical resurrection ... shouldn’t they be receiving a glorified body though at the end of the Millennium? Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. 20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. Isaiah has prophesied a sequence of events follows his resurrection. They are: 1/ His resurrection together with others 2/ They enter the chambers, hide themselves for a little while, until the indignation is over. That indignation is 7 years tribulation. 3/ Jesus comes out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity. This is the second coming of Jesus to earth. Following these sequence of events, I say the old testament saints shall receive their resurrection together with the church during rapture. The two witnesses come back to life 3.5 days after they are killed and are caught up to heaven. That's when I'd put their resurrection. Geri wrote: My first question is … will it be only the believing Jews that make it through the tribulation that get ushered into the Millennium Kingdom or will there also be believing Gentiles as well in that group? 23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians to Assyria. The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together. 24 In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth. 25 The Lord Almighty will bless them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.” Isaiah 19:23-25 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. Zechariah 14:16 These passages speak of other nations in the Millennium. Geri wrote: Then my 2nd question is … according to Fruchtenbaum … if these believers are to live a full 1,000 years without dying and do not experience a physical resurrection … shouldn’t they be receiving a glorified body though at the end of the Millennium? We aren't explicitly told what happens to the mortal believers at the end of the thousand years. We do know that death will be abolished (1 Corinthians 15:26), so they will become immortal. Will they receive glorified bodies at that point? Most assume so, although it doesn't say outright that they do. I hesitate to go beyond what is revealed Biblically, as I do not know the answer definitively. https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/what-happens-to-earth-people-after-the-millennium/ Thank you both (2nd Coming and David). Great answers! :good: Hi Geri8, It's very healthy that you've got so many questions. You're just being a good Berean. - when do the O.T. saints receive their resurrection bodies? & so on & so forth..... Can you see how terribly messy it all gets? An absolute disaster! At the risk of flogging a dead horse, here goes the famous resurrection rapture verse which you once quoted: The Bible says, "....and the dead in Christ will be the FIRST to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air."-1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 Okay. So all the dead Christians get resurrected FIRST & within a blink of an eye (1 Cor), we who are alive & remain, will also join them. We'll all get glorified bodies simultaneously. The dead include all those who have placed their faith in God for the past 60 centuries. OT, NT, trib martyrs, Jews, Gentiles, etc. “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise”. Galatians 3:26-29 "...these (the faithful people of old) all died in faith, NOT HAVING RECEIVED THE PROMISES, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and co....."- Heb 11:12-16 So in short, we all get a glorified body all at the same time! Together with Abraham & gang who will finally rcv the promises! When does this happen? At Christ' glorious appearing. When does he appear? At the end of this age. On the day of the Lord. On the last day. How does he appear? Silently, or with much fanfare? "For as the lightning flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other, so will be the Son of Man in His day."-Luke 17:24 "The coming of the Son of Man will be like lightning that can be seen from east to west."-Matthew 24:27 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and EVERY EYE shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."- Rev 1:7 Okay. So He returns both audibly & visually. What happens when He returns? 1)"He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be NO MORE DEATH or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away."-Revelation 21:4 Now wait a minute, so if everyone gets to see Christ walking around in the flesh during the 'mil', how come there are still people dying? Isn't death supposed to be defeated, after Christ appears? People will still die? Verse above suggest otherwise. 2)"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."- 2 Pet 3:10 Okay. Basically, everything will be destroyed when Christ appears! So, is there a great rebuilding needed then, for the mil to exist? Or do the new Heavens & Earth come immediately? If so, is the new Heavens & Earth temporal? Or does the Earth get torn up completely (again!) at the end of the mil, for a 2nd remake? Is God's kingdom a spiritual or a physical kingdom? "Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world; if it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest by the Jews. But now, My kingdom is NOT of this REALM.”- John 18:36 3) "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned." - John 5:28-29 Sounds like even the unbelievers are stopped cold in their tracks & are judged concurrently, at the revealing of Christ. How many resurrections of the RIGHTEOUS are there exactly, as mentioned in the Bible? 4? 5? 6? Or just 1 (well 2 if you include the 2 witnesses)? The Bible says, "And I saw the souls of those WHO HAD BEEN BEHEADED for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION."- Rev 20:5 Hey! Great news! The 'trib saints/martyrs' are included in the 1st resurrection along with the rest of us! Notice that nobody coins it as the 'resurrection rapture'. It is always only termed as 'rapture'. The rapture by definition, is THE resurrection. Finally, if there are glorified saints with resurrection bodies living in the 'mil', why would satan bother to attack, since bullets or swords can't damage or harm a resurrected body? Is satan stupid? No. Not at all. “Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to DECEIVE the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And FIRE CAME DOWN FROM GOD out of heaven and DEVOURED them. And the devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” Revelation 20:7-10 (Such an idiom, ‘a thousand years’ is an indeterminate period of time) "For they are the spirits of devils, WORKING MIRACLES, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." - Rev 16:14 "And from HIS MOUTH proceeds a SHARP SWORD with which to STRIKE DOWN the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty." - Rev 19:15 All 3 verses above are parallel, referring to the one & the same battle! Not separated by 1000 years. There is only 1 final showdown. Then eternity, which is the age to come, begins. There is only this present evil age & the age to come. Not 7 dispensations. Do Raymond, you appear to be advocating for a post-tribulation rapture, and one-time resurrection. Am I reading you correctly on this? We are a pre-tribulation forum. The First Resurrection is not limited to a single event; it is a description of the category, not a description of timing. All the righteous ever to be raised are included in it. Death is the last enemy to be destroyed, and people will certainly be capable of dying during the millennium. Do Raymond wrote: All 3 verses above are parallel, referring to the one & the same battle! Not separated by 1000 years. There is only 1 final showdown. You are seriously mistaken about several things. Yes, there are a thousand years separating Armageddon and the final Gog/Magog invasion. 
Try as we might, if we try to curve-fit doctrine, we will eventually end up in a jumbled mess.
- about 27 days later?
- when do the 'tribulation saints' receive their resurrection bodies then?
- after the mil? or before the mil?
- after the trib maybe?
- when do the believers in the mil receive their resurrection bodies?
- how bout those after Pentecost?
-will only Jews, or Gentiles, or both, enter the mil?
- & God forbid, is there even a mil?!
