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Do Raymond
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On the contrary, man is not made up of a full trinity.

Look up the term 'nephesh'.

"then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature." - Genesis 2:7

Soul literally means a 'living being'. The breath given by God.

That's it! Not 3 parts. Maybe just 2 parts? Body + Spirit? We usually like to lump both the soul & Spirit into 1 entity. So just lets call it the Spirit then.

"For the fates of both men and beasts are the same: As one dies, so dies the other— they all have the same breath. Man has no advantage over the animals, since everything is futile." - Ecclesiastes 3:19

That is why, we are made only slightly higher than the animals. Both are given the breath of life. But upon death, the soul no longer exist, since the body also makes up part of the soul, because we stop 'living'. Also, notice that 'nephesh' is never used for plants.

"...before the dust returns to the ground from which it came, and the spirit returns to God who gave it." - Ecclesiastes 12:7

The reason why we are made higher than the animals, is because 'man' can be imparted with God's Holy Spirit. This is how to gain eternal life.

We were never created with immortality.

Nothing to do with your strange concept of 'un-create'.

" Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can DESTROY both soul and body in hell." - Matt 10:28

The above verse is clear that God has the power to terminate everything! That includes the old heavens & earth!

As much as damnation is eternal, i believe that annihilation is 'eternal' in every sense of the word. Being annihilated means you don't get to ever come back again, isn't it?

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David W. Roche
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Annihilation makes no sense.  We are told there IS a resurrection of the ungodly.  It defies logic to have a person resurrected, face judgment, be cast into the lake of fire and then cease to exist in body, soul and spirit.  They would be no reason for them to be resurrected unless they were  meant to endure forever in that body.

Do Raymond wrote:

Bible doesn’t say eternal ‘punishing’.

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.  Revelation 14:10-11

Sounds like that's what it's saying to me.

I understand the emotional appeal of annihilationism.  However, that is just not what the text says.  I also understand the attempts to mitigate the language used.  It's still perfectly clear as it reads.  No cessation of existence.

http://www.tektonics.org/af/annix.php

 

 

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I agree!

TR

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Tammie
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One thing is for certain, those of us who know Christ as savior will see the finality of God’s wrath poured on the unbelievers, those who reject God’s perfect atonement through the blood of Christ.

Luke 16:23-26 clearly defines the eternality of everlasting torment in the flames.

Prior to my acceptance of Christ death to pay the penalty of my sin nature at the age of 16, I would have horrific nightmares nightly of death, dying, fire, and pain. When I received Christ, those nightmares ended and have never returned. The love of God is so unfathomable for His children, we are so precious to Him. It is hard to envision the wrath to come for those that reject God. He does show righteous wrath, just read the exodus from Egypt or the Book of the Kings. The story of Ahab and Jezabel is gruesome on how much they changed the culture of Israel, causing sin through pagan worship.  I dare say for them and many like them a non existent state would be merciful for their deeds of evil. 🙁

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Hi Geri,

those who are not saved are in the centre of the earth now. they will be at the great white throne judgement at the end of the millennium then they will be thrown into the lake of fire. ( I get scared just thinking about these things, how horrific) so I guess the lake of fire could be the black holes or the sun.

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Tammie
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Last thought on this topic from me, the soul of every human being born, past, present, and future is considered eternal. The soul will not parish. God implanted eternity into their hearts. Ecc. 3:11 “He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also, He has put eternity into mans heart, yet so that he  cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.”  Another of my fav memory verses is Psalm 139 see verses 13-16 and Gen 9:6 states that we are made in the image of God (eternal). There are many more verses that talk about the immortality of the soul of man.  By our own free will WE choose eternal damnation or eternal life. I personally, by the Grace of God have chosen eternal life through the Blood of the Lamb, God’s perfect and required redemption for the souls of man. Not that I deserve it, but because He gave it. The redemptive work of God begins in Genesis and you see it all the way the Revelation 22:21 per our modern chapter and verse divisions. :prayer-hands:

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