Oh I agree with you that a spiritual dark force(s) will lead these nations to attack Israel. No doubt about it. This current “world system” is the devil’s. When Adam sinned the devil took over the “stewardship” of the earth. Then when Jesus fasted 40 days/nights … we read in Matthew 4 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. And we read Daniel’s prayers in this passage were heard immediately but were delayed with the answer for 20 days due to spiritual warfare fightings. Daniel 10: 12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. And in Revelation 2: (The church of Pergamos is in Turkey) 12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; 13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. 14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. 16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. 17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. —————- My point is … we can’t rule out one nation from the Gog/Magog attack. Putin wants a piece of Jerusalem now and he wants the Golan Heights too. And who knows what else. And Erdogan wants the spoils and oil, etc. too. Satan’s goal is to destroy man before they can get saved hence he loves war and he will gather / influence as many nations as he can to come against God’s chosen people. And in Zechariah 12 … God said He will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling … All eyes are on Israel and we are seeing right now the nations are wanting Israeli food, water, gas, oil, technology, etc. 2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. Here's an informative video that goes against the standard escatological narrative, which is thankfully changing. This week, we dive into Ezekiel 38 and 39 to explain why Russia is not part of the prophecy. Magog, and all of the nations mentioned in the northern coalition, were located in what is modern-day Turkey. More important, however, is the phrase “the uttermost parts of the north.” We explain why this is not a geographical reference—at least, it doesn’t refer to a place in the natural realm. https://www.derekpgilbert.com/2022/03/28/unraveling-revelation-gog-magog-and-the-uttermost-north/ Certainly we can't entirely rule out one nation from being part of the coalition but we can read the text from Ezekiel 38 and clearly see that it has nothing to do with Russia. The historical record also does not warrant such an assumption. Russia is not Rosh. Russia is not Magog. Magog was not the Scythians. Russians were not descendents of the Scythians. Sadly, some unreasonable assumptions were made to try to pound that square peg in a round hole and read Russia into Ezekiel 38. I will go over these systematically over a number of posts, hopefully today, starting with Rosh. :good: And yet there are others who very much disagree with your opinion. I would rather you not continuing to post entry after entry after entry to support what is a theory. You point has been loudly made. This is supposed to be a discussion, not a sales event. If reading Ezekiel 38 was so such unshakable evidence of your opinion then why are there so many opposing views? And please do not make another accusation of laziness since you do not know that. Here is yet another of many opposing views. First: God has not chosen to give us all of the details regarding the end times. Second: as we read about Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38-39, we discover that understanding the biblical material is quite difficult. I’m going to do my best to synthesize these biblical teachings as simple as possible. Third: I have used modern names for the territories involved. When we’re talking about “Gog and Magog” we’re talking about a leader in the land of Russia. Note that 500 years from now, if Christ delays, “Gog and Magog” from the North (Russia) will have another name that fits another time. Fourth: the main reason that God encourages us to study prophecy is to lay a foundation for holy living. We need to have our lives cleaned up and ready when the trumpet sounds. Fifth: “Live as if Christ is coming back in the next 10 minutes. Plan as if he’s not coming for another thousand years.” Many wonder if Russia will have any part to play in the last days? The answer is a resounding “yes.” We find the answer in Ezekiel 38-39. Identifying Gog and Magog, the Kings of the North and South Magog, Meshech, and Tubal were all sons of Japheth, who was one of the three sons of Noah. Jepheth and his family migrated to the area of modern-day Russia (Genesis 10:2-3). Gog is a person who rules over the land of Magog (Russia). Magog means the "Prince of Rosh." (Gog) Rosh is the old root word for the land of Russia. God informs Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38:15, "You will come from your place in the far North” (the Hebrew word means "the uttermost part of the North." What's north of Jerusalem? Moscow. What is north Russia? Nothing. Meshech is the old name for the capital of Western Russia, which is known today as Moscow. Tubal is identified as a city in Siberia. Gog (Russia) is the King of the North. The King of the South is an Arab-African coalition. Ezekiel 38:5-6 identifies the rest of the nations that are dragged into battle between Gog and Magog, versus the Kings of the South:Persia, “Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets,also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you.” Persia is a reference to modern-day Iran. Cush describes present-day Ethiopia and the black nations of Central Africa. Put and Libya are located in northern Africa. Gomer is the people who settled in Germany. Beth Togarmah is Asia Minor and Turkey. Note: these nations will basically align with Russia in battles against the King of the South and later on the Antichrist. Sometime before the beginning of the seven-year tribulation, the King of the South (an African-Arab coalition described in Daniel 11) moves to invade Israel. The African-Arab coalition initially has the upper hand, but is ultimately defeated by the King of the North (Russia). After a short time of peace, seeing an opportunity to enhance their domination, Gog and Magog (Russia and its Leader) proceed with their own invasion of Israel. However, God has no intention of allowing Russia to take over the land of Israel. The Antichrist intercepts Gog and Magog and defeats them. Note that two battles are described here, separated by at least 2,500 years. Gog and Magog in the Bible Ezekiel 38:1-4: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of[ Meshech and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army . . . Ezekiel 38:17-22: “At that time this is what will happen in that day. When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused. In my zeal and fiery wrath, . . . I will execute judgment upon him with plague and bloodshed.” Ezekiel 38:22-39:11: “I will pour down torrents of rain, hail stones, and burning sulfur on him and on his troops. . . The fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and the piece of the field, every creature, and all the people in the face of the earth will tremble at his presence. . . I will pour out torrents of rain, hail stones, and burning sulfur on him and on his troops . . . On that day, I give will give Gog the burial place in the Valley of those who travel east toward the sea it will block the way of travelers, because Gog and all his hordes will be buried there. So it will be called the Valley of Haman Gog.” And We see in these verses what seems to describe a nuclear holocaust. Fire and brimstone fall from the sky. The earth shakes. The faces of the invading soldiers melt like hot wax. It takes Israel seven years to decontaminate the land. The burial of radiation contaminated men and women injures even more. Thousands of invading soldiers lie unburied. God sends the birds of the air to pluck the flesh right off their bodies (Ezekiel 38:14 and 39:1-7. This sounds just like the grisly feast of God in Revelation 19 at the Battle of Armageddon. Again, this passage is a double fulfillment. From Ezekiel’s day until the coming of the Romans in 70 A.D. Israel was decimated by nation after nation thus fulfilling Ezekiel’s prophecy regarding the future decimation of Israel. Then, we recognize that the above passages parallel the book of Revelation and the horrors of Armageddon. Now we understand that these passages are no longer hyperbole. This is the second fulfillment of Ezekiel’s prophecy. The previously mentioned passages are literal words which describe the horrible events of the last days While Russia is destroyed by the Antichrist just before the seven-year tribulation begins, Gog and Magog will rearm and take part in the war of Armageddon. As a result of the war between the King of the North and the Antichrist, Israel is open to signing a seven-year-peace treaty with the Antichrist to protect them from other invasions. After three and half years the Antichrist breaks the peace treaty by invading Israel and all the horrors of the book of Revelation break forth over the earth. During the last days, God brings the armies of the Antichrist, Russia, the Middle East, the Arab-African coalition and China together in the Valley of Megiddo for the Battle of Armageddon. As Jesus returns he laughs at his enemies (Psalm 2). At the Second Coming Jesus enters the fray and destroys the forces of the Antichrist, the King of the East and the king of the North as recorded in Zachariah14:12-13: “This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. On that day people will be stricken by the Lord with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another.” For hundreds of years, students of Bible prophecy have wondered what kind of plague could produce such instant ravaging of humans? Until the advent of the atomic bomb, such a thing was not humanly possible. But now, everything Zechariah predicted can come true instantly in a thermonuclear exchange! By the way, at the Second Coming, the nonbelieving Jews of Israel will see the nail prints in Jesus’ hands, feet and side and realize that they crucified their Messiah. It will break their hearts. Many Jews will turn to Christ. Zechariah 12:10: “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit] of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.” During that time God the Father invites anyone willing to come to Christ to “Kiss the Son” which is the Old Testament way of saying, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.” Many Jews will to the Christ. Gog and Magog: The Two Suppers of God at the End of Time The Wedding Supper of the Lamb is described in Revelation 19:9: “Then the angel said to me, ‘Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!”’ This is the marriage feast when Jesus, as the Bridegroom, takes His church for his Bride. It is a tremendous time of fellowship and praise. There is a word picture here and we all have a choice. We can enjoy the supper with Jesus or we can be the supper. Revelation chapters 20 through 22 wrap up the story with the destruction of Satan and his followers, the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth, and the new Heaven and the new Earth. By the way, people often ask does the United States fit in prophecy? The United States is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. However, there is a reference in Revelation to an eagle which protects Israel during the last times. Of course, the eagle is a symbol for the United States. Revelation 12-14: “The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.” Of course, the United States has always been a friend and supporter of Israel. By God’s grace, we will stand by their side. If we ever turn against Israel we will suffer the same fate as the Antichrist and his forces. Original article here. FAIR USE Truly not understanding “why” you’re overlooking Russia as not wanting to invade Israel? Do you have Russian blood? Here’s Putin as top dog in this meeting. Why rule out Russia from invading Israel? What gives? Do you feel Putin doesn’t need anything from Israel? He already is demanding the Holy Trinity Church in Jerusalem is his and the Golan Heights … “Russia condemned the Israeli occupation of the Golan Heights and said it does not recognize Israel's sovereignty in the region.” And do you think the bear is just going to sit back in his rocking chair eating his Goldilocks oatmeal and not do anything when Israel starts supplying his customers (European nations) with fuel? And then when Damascus gets ruin … He is going to get out his guitar and sing to Assad … Que Sera Sera under my GREAT military watch your beloved capitol is now a ruinous heap … “I’m sorry, oh so sorry” :whistle: ???? Why Russia will ALSO invade Israel for the spoils …. B-) Thanks to Blue who cracked the case wide open … with her blue’s clue of missing piece of the puzzle … please scroll to the 24:00 minute marker point to 30:55 (about 7 minutes) you will find the reason … :whistle: - Fair Use -
THE RUSSO-UKRAINIAN war has prompted many to ask whether the prophesied war of Gog and Magog is upon us.
Ezekiel 38:1-2: The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal;
Ezekiel 38-39 is what is known in biblical hermeneutics (interpretation) as a double fulfillment. The first battle is the maneuverings of the nations during Ezekiel’s time. The events of the first battle foreshadow the second battle describing the same movements predicted by Ezekiel which will occur in the latter days just before the seven-year tribulation begins. Speaking with hyperbole (a literary tool that exaggerates to make a point) God describes the devastating events of the battle between Magog, Gog and the Antichrist.
Revelation 19:17-18: “And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, ‘Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”’
