I agree, whatever the reason it is ingrained in our nature! Christ was a man and also God! Just trying to identify and articulate the nature and scope of sin! Thanks for the input. TR *...does that automatically mean that sin is inevitable? For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God Ro 3:23 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned Ro 5:12 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin. James 4:17 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 Jn 1:7-9 Then Peter came up and said to him, Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times? Jesus said to him, I do not say to you seven times, but seventy-seven times. Matt 18: 21-22 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working. James 5:16 Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.” Lk 17: 3-4 Does that include the good angels as well as the bad?! TR Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! 1 Cor 6:2-3 Scripture teaches that the fallen angels will be judged by God (Isaiah 24:21-22; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6; Revelation 21:10) "...We know that the Greek word for “judge,” krino, also means “to rule or govern.” This strongly implies that we will have authority over the holy angels, for they have no sin for which to be “judged” in the sense of “condemned.” Most likely, the meaning of this passage is that believers in heaven will take part in the judgment of the fallen angels and exercise some authority over the holy angels. Christ has been exalted above all the angels (see Ephesians 1:20-23), and it seems reasonable that those who are in Him and made in His likeness (Romans 8:29; 1 Corinthians 15:49; Ephesians 4:24; 1 John 3:2) will share in His authority, including His authority over the angels (Matthew 19:28; 2 Timothy 2:12; Revelation 20:4)." Got Questions Sounds to me like the camp cook wasn’t saved. If she were she would have heeded the Holy Spirit to repentance. You're right Yohanan. Sounds like that woman wasn't saved. We all sin, but if someone keeps sinning and is not repenting,................ I have met so many "Christians" that I don't think are saved. I sometimes feel uncomfortable about that and wonder if I am being too judgmental. I also want to mention that I don't think that doctor was a Christian either. However, it is very concerning how much he was well known and trusted in the Christian community. Heidi and Geri — as humans we look at sin as degrees or tend to rate sin as grossly bad or a little white lie — God looks at sin as equal. Sin is sin is sin is sin. There is no change in the punishment of sin, without the covered blood of Christ, eternity separated in a lake of fire is the penalty for all who refuse the gift of God through the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (God incarnate) who paid for sin. Tammie, agree: sin is sin. however, aren't some sins more serious? For example, the shedding of innocent blood or harming children? maybe it's more the unsaved that will shed innocent blood. What about harming children? In agreement with you Heidi, Kolleen and Yohanan. All these years I just assumed the head cook was saved because she chose to work in a Christian atmosphere. But with Kolleen’s question … perhaps she wasn’t saved? Could very well be the case! We get knocked down for being fruit inspectors cause others claim we don’t know their hearts … but the Bible does say by their fruit you shall know them … who is genuine and who is not. Just because people claim to be “Born Again Christian” I have my doubts with certain people by their actions now. For instance … the last job I had was another mega test … made the camp nightmare a walk in the park in comparison. The last job I had to deal with unwanted sexual harassment for 10 years … at the hands of a Jekyll and Hyde “born again” management co-worker. He covered his tracks well. Squeaky clean for the others … even would volunteer to pray before the company luncheon meetings. But whenever the others were on vacation or had appointments elsewhere and we were both alone. He made his move to bother me. If I lived in a bigger city with more opportunities of employment I would have just resigned. My options were limited though … so I had to put up with his “shenanigans” he kept saying please forgive me. So I did … over and over and over and over again. Just like a good Christian needs to. I told him he needs help … he claimed he was seeking it with his pastor. I kept this trial to myself .. I blamed myself because I thought perhaps it was what I was wearing. Even though I dressed conservative I made sure I dressed ultra conservative … but the harassment still occurred. I knew upper management wouldn’t believe me since he was well respected in their eyes - could do no wrong and some would eat lunch with him. When my mom got sick … I never told him my business … only confided in 2 people because I needed to take off to bring her for her appointments and use my vacation days for that. One though informed him of my mom’s situation and then he really became more bolder and was touching me inappropriately. And the same apologies the next day as I was in the parking lot heading into the building … he was outside and asked for forgiveness and like a good Christian I kept forgiving him and hoping it would never happen again. Then I saw a lifetime movie about a stalker … that was bothering this female … he kept saying I do this because “I want to be your friend”. This is when it hit me with a V8 moment because … he would often say those words … after I said I forgive you. So I knew I needed to file a complaint. I typed up all the incidences … it was almost a book. Upper management of course didn’t believe me and hired a lawyer … they even tried to down play what I wrote and said surely you are exaggerating and 10 years of this? You must of really enjoyed the attention! They wouldn’t speak to me for 3 days while the investigation went on. Then when they presented the accusations to him … thank God he admitted to it all. They were shell shocked because he fooled them. Then showed him no mercy of forgiveness and fired him on the spot. They admit they never did a background check on him. 4 upper management … 2 in person said why didn’t you report this sooner?! I said because you would never ever believe me. ((Crickets)) I could see tears in their eyes for the way they mistreated me during the investigation process because they were about to fire me for being a trouble maker. One would bring in her son’s puppy (a female German Shepherd) and it finally hit her … that dog would go nuts and show her teeth and bark until that creep went back in the other suite again … then she would finally calm down. Yet any other men that came into our side of the office she was friendly towards. Dogs can see evil. The other 2 management folks called me on the telephone since they lived in other states and I could hear them crying and saying I’m so sorry for not believing you. It was such a relief to go into work and not deal with that harassment. But then 1 week later … the devil thru another trial across my path … I was in the grocery store reading the label on some dairy product and a foreign Jamaican approached me from behind and whispered in my ear … I really want to (4 letter slang word) you. I quickly turned around and said whaaat did you just say?! He had the nerve to repeat it. I quickly got out a Bible tract and handed it to him and said you really need Jesus. And before I could quickly walk away. He said what church do you go to? I said I don’t … leave me alone and then pushed my cart into another aisle to get other items and paid for them and left the store. But I kept making sure I wasn’t being followed back to work or to home. He kept stalking me in town though when I did errands for the company. I had to get the police involved to put out a restraining order. Then he had his friends do some stalking and filed another report with the police. Meanwhile I prayed for a hedge of protection around my suv … and when driving to the post office … he and his friends were waiting near the post office entrance door. They looked up at my roof top and had fear in their eyes and literally started running to their cars and took off. :mdrmdr: Thankfully they left me alone after that … so what did they see? Many angels? :unsure: Some think these are “petty transactions” and to just get over it … NOPE! … the Bible says those who live Godly for Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. Persecution comes in many forms. Those who make a habit of witnessing will be a target of the demonic forces to throw their darts at and will often use people around us whether they are indwelling the unsaved or influencing the saved to hurt us. Its a real life spiritual battle and can’t wait to finally be over with it. Going to be grand to finally have peace and rest in sweet Beulah Land. :whistle: 😳😳 That was intense! I cannot imagine living with sexual harassment for ten years! I’m glad everything came to light and he was fired but I’m also sorry you had to endure that! :rose: Yep, woe unto those who harm the babies and children! Luke 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. Pictures of various millstones :wacko: Indeed men will be known by their fruits! And the Lord knows who are truly born again! May the blessings and protection of the Lord be with you always and His favor rest upon you! Love &blessings, TR Yes, couldn’t believe it was 10 years worth of abuse. Granted I was always looking up for the rapture to happen … and/or hoping he would FINALLY leave me alone. But it goes to show just keep forgiving the harasser over and over and over again is not always the solution … most often you need outside help to intervene to finally get that relief. And no, I’m not bitter and I try not to dwell on those sad negative times. I consider myself a positive person. ALL THINGS work together for good for those who love the Lord. But the devil or demons are known to bring up our past from time to time. They are experts as many of you well know. The secret is to think of my future with Jesus and the joy returns. Just trying to encourage and help out others that are going thru similar like personal battles. Life down here is hard for many. But there is a better world coming for us who are truly born again! :whistle:
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