I agree, just pointing out even more discrepancies! TR “So no sin in heaven” But remember the first sin ever committed happened in heaven Lucifer sinned with his 5 “I will plan wanting to be like God” (Isaiah 14:12-16) and 1/3 of the angels followed him and we are going to witness war in heaven (Rev 12:7-12) God’s not going to let that happen again, ergo eternally fixed destinies! TR Amen! Quoting Tammie: have to disagree with the judgement of sin in heaven; we will receive the rewards (at-a-boys or crowns) for what was done in the body “whether good or evil” (it is not a “judgement of sin” — that was covered by the blood — it is the rewards of what was done with the talents given to us) and per Habakkuk 1:13 “Your eyes are too ·good [pure] to look at evil; you cannot ·stand to see [tolerate; look on] those who do wrong. So how can you put up with those ·evil [treacherous] people? How can you be quiet when the wicked swallow up people who are ·better [more righteous] than they are?” God is to righteous to see sin, so no sin in heaven …. We receive for what we have done on earth. The definition of regret — a feeling of sadness, repentance, or disappointment over something that has happened or been done. Anything I have done on this earth is nothing apart from Christ, so to Him be glory forever and ever…. So looking forward to seeing him! ******** Unfortunately, Christians use the fact that their sins are covered to not care about sins that they are committing or how they are living their lives. Many times I prefer being around non-Christians than Christians. I think Christians will pay for their sins. I am not sure how. Jack Van Impe mentioned people crying intermittingly in heaven for 1000 years then God wiping the tears of their eyes. Justice could be in the form of losing rewards and /or not as much to do in the Millennium. It could be now! God can chastise people while they are still on this earth. The warnings about sin from St. Paul were for the church, not unbelievers. I believe their will be total justice. I agree Heidi … so many “Christians” think they have a license to sin just because they have the “too much Grace free fire insurance”. They fail to read their Bible and what God expects from them. The 9th commandment is “you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor” Lies told by a false witness come from the sinful human heart - along with murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, slander, and evil thoughts (Matt 15:19). Jesus said that man is defiled by these evil things that come from the heart. The cure is to receive a new, pure heart and that only comes when a person gets saved and the Holy Spirit indwells that person and become new creatures. A person who purposely goes about bearing false witness is controlled by the flesh rather than by the Spirit of God, and he should repent of that sin and turn to Christ. Proverbs 6:16-19 “there are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to Him … a lying tongue .. a false witness who breathes out lies …” Book of James talks about the tongue James 1:26 “If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.” (Vain- not real, fake) James 3 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body. Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. —————— A person should always be willing to forgive every time forgiveness is requested, (notice WHEN forgiveness is requested) as Jesus taught. It goes without saying that on some of those occasions the request may be insincere, or, even if sincere, the person will commit the same offense against us again at a later time. After all, isn’t this what we do to God, and isn’t that how He forgives us? Meanwhile the victim is … We shouldn’t try to get even by doing the same thing back. Romans 12:17, 19 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. I Peter 3:9, 16-17 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing. Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. What God wants the victim to do is this … and perhaps that enemy will eventually become a believer? This meme made me laugh … How Does God feel about lying and bearing false witness? Psalm 5:6 John 8:44 Revelation 21:8 Heidi and Geri — as humans we look at sin as degrees or tend to rate sin as grossly bad or a little white lie — God looks at sin as equal. Sin is sin is sin is sin. There is no change in the punishment of sin, without the covered blood of Christ, eternity separated in a lake of fire is the penalty for all who refuse the gift of God through the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (God incarnate) who paid for sin. You confuse the consequences or result of our sin with the penalty of sin. If you murder someone, the consequences is life in prison or death. If you commit adultery, the pain and suffering for all parties involved is the consequences of breaking God’s rule. A white lie (ex. - no you are not fat, just plump), brings little to no consequences. But with God ALL sin is equal and separates us from Him if we do not have Christ. My personal opinion is that I do not feel that Christian’s who consistently believe they have a license to sin are truly born again. I base that on the fact that the Holy Spirit continues to convict you of sin. To me, I would never think of killing someone, but the fact that I offend someone with my words is very painful to me and makes me grieve, seeking their and the Father’s forgiveness. If you have ever watched the Chosen — in season two, Mary returns to sin and when she comes back to Jesus, his simple statement, “Did you think you would never sin again” is pretty profound. The “Father wants your heart”. Our humanity will continually war with our spiritual new self, but we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous and if we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgive us and to cleanse us … did you think that you would never sin after receiving the promise of His forgiveness? :unsure: I agree with Tammie! Jesus paid the price already for sin! Ergo, we are already seated in heavenly places! Rewards and or lack of rewards is all that we will experience! Indeed with God, sin is sin! That said, there are some sins that are more grievous before the Lord! He does seem to categorize sins in various levels. Some are an abomination, some are grievous, and some simply fall short of His will, or when we lack in obedience is this considered sin?! If and when we fall short in our growth curve before the Lord are these also called sins?! Most importantly, fellowship is affected! We are either pleasing before the Lord, or not! Fact remains we are all born into and by sin. So then our mothers and fathers having sex was sinful? This I don't understand as we were created to procreate and are told that "in all" the marriage bed is undefiled! So are we born into sin simply because we are not inherently holy or 100 percent perfect as like God?! Because we inherently lack the qualities of God?! Does this qualify as sin?! In any event, they have already been thrown away from God never more to be remembered!!! TR Tammie, I agree … God looks at all sin as equal. The point I’m trying to convey is the unconfessed sin that remains hidden. II Corinthians 5:12 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. The way I see it … that head cook had opportunities to apologize and to stop her nasty shenanigans .. but … she didn’t. The Lord even had someone talk about the subject matter in the morning devotions and what were her actions? Instead of heeding and being convicted and doing what was right … she didn’t want to hear it and got up and hurried into the kitchen and … just kept right on singling me out with her abusive harassment and bad mouthing my character for a few more weeks. Heck why did she take her frustration out on me? She should of been mad at my future sister in law or my brother … I had nothing to do with their romance developing. As a 17 yr old I felt like a failure … my first job away from home and there was nothing but trouble and no way out of the situation … because I knew nobody would believe me. So one night very late … I went into the camp kitchen to end my life .. but God … spoke to this missionary to Japan who happened to be there that week and he walked into the kitchen and saw me with the knife and he talked me out of it. He said I believe you, you don’t have to endure any more of this abusive nonsense. Call your parents first thing in the morning and go home. I was so relieved and needed validation that this wasn’t my fault and I can leave. We walked out of the kitchen together and I asked him why did he stop in .. was he hungry? He said the Lord urged me to get in the kitchen right away. So if I had ended my life would God have placed the blame solely on me and the head cook be blameless/ scott free at judgement time and not have to give an account? I think not. At my brother’s wedding she could have called the Camp Director “preacher” over and apologized for her actions … I would have forgiven all and let bygones by bygones but she didn’t. So there is unfinished business ahead. I don’t believe the Judgment Seat of Christ is going to be all fun and games and laughter … there is going to be also regret and crying and the Lord will be wiping away the tears. That is my view … everyone is entitled to their own. :rose: But before the Cross. 
This includes, false witness, spreading a false report … lying.
A false witness is one who intentionally wants to hurt someone else or ruin their reputation.
My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
What should the abused victim do when lies and false witness and reputation is ruined?
Mathew 5:11, "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me."
You hate all workers of iniquity.You shall destroy those who speak falsehood; The Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
