Indeed the point being that many of these so called rapture dreams and NDE's seem not to follow what we have been told! That is distressing. All we can do is wait, watch and be hopeful! Many no doubt are born out of our own desires and misconceptions! No doubt some are real and personalized for those who experience them! But they are affirming for the most part! TR :amen: :rose: That was painful to hear Geri, people believing the lie’s told about you, and how hard that was/is to endure. Just one person in any given situation can be used of the enemy to try to destroy another through their own false perceptions. I suppose it has happened to most of us, and to me. It is most comforting to think on how God our Father, Lord and Savior, see’s each one for who He created us to be. Without fail, He has the everlasting unconditional love for each of us that brings us through and takes us forward in Him. The One Who has died for our sins, will not judge our sins at the Bema seat. Koinonia House: The Bema Seat deals with rewards for obedience, crowns, and the call of the Bride to the Marriage of the Lamb which occurs in the Father’s house. The Bema Seat Judgment is apparently the first order of business for the translated saints after the Harpazo. Everyone present will be “saved;” salvation is not the issue here. (That was concluded on a wooden cross erected in Judea about 2,000 years ago!) Everyone present will have been saved by the completed work of our Lord Jesus. The issue here is fruit-bearing, not salvation. The evaluation procedure is then detailed: Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, [or] wood, hay, stubble; 1 Corinthians 3:12 (KJV) The first three are permanent. The last three will perish under fire. (The largest load of hay or wood would be worth less than the smallest diamond.) Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 1 Corinthians 3:13 (KJV) If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. — 1 Corinthians 3:14 (KJV) So you have been saved: what have you done with it? That which is done for sake of personal gain, popularity, influence, or its impression on the world, will be for naught. Gee Yohanan all you did was pull her hair, Peter tied my braids in the desk's ink well and I got in trouble for not standing for the Pledge in Mrs. Lynn's 1st grade class. LOL Lol! That is hilarious Lee! Pulling Marie’s ponytail was my way of telling her that I loved her. I think she was sweet on me too and throwing things at me was just her way of saying so. 😁 Another claim of scripture is that some will enter into heaven by the skin of their teeth so to speak, as we are told some enter singed and smelling of smoke! TR Smokey Joan here! :whistle: I had a few nasty encounters working in the “Christian” camp and in church. The camp work were horrific conditions that were uncalled that went on for weeks. To make a long story short the head cook wanted my future sister in law to marry her son … but instead my brother did. When she found out I was related … WOE, she took her frustrated demonic rage out on me. I was 17 yrs old at the time hearing her called me nasty names in front of the other kitchen workers. She blamed me for all the dishes that broke … I never broke any. I was blamed for anything and everything that went wrong, even messed up food orders, that wasn’t even my job. She went the extra mile with bearing false witness with her lies about me to the camp director that I was not working and goofing off to whatever. All lies and every week when I got paid I had to deal with his abuse … “you know since you broke all those dishes in the kitchen … I really shouldn’t have to pay you this week” I said I never broke any dish … its all lies. He said why would the head cook tell lies? Shes been working here for years. So he didn’t believe me. Then she had the nerve to show up at my brother’s wedding to ruin my day. I felt her arms around my shoulders and I said really loud so all in the foyer could hear … get your filthy hands off my body. I’m soooo glad Jesus keeps perfect records … see you on Judgement Day! And then I saw her shake before I turned away. Meanwhile I also had to deal with the Camp Director since he officiated the wedding. Whenever we made eye contact during the banquet dinner he kept thinking the worse with his judgmental look because he still believed her lies. I’m sure many of you can recall bad incidences too where no apologies were given and you are seeking justice. There will be crying at the BEMA seat … its not all happiness … there will be regret too and God will wipe away the tears. Geri, I am so sorry for what you have been through. I have been through similar things. There was a "Christian" physician who was so admired by the Christian community. Even Christians who haven't met him have heard about this wonderful Christian. they would say: "oh, yes, Dr..............." and say good things about him. I was his patient. I did blood work once. I got a call that I have to repeat the test cause something was wrong and they want to make sure. They told me what it was and I did not understand. I told the doctor: "I don't understand". He said: 'You don't have to understand, just do the blood test again" I don't remember the details, but it was hard on me not to understand what is going on, just repeating blood tests.............. Once I told the nurse that I want to see my chart, she agreed. She sat next to me and I flipped through the pages. doctors don't like patients who want to find out things for themselves, ask questions, .................he was walking through the hallway and saw me and the nurse going through my file. I pretended that I did not see him but it was unnerving to see him standing still in the hallway with a horrible look in his eyes. anyway, he came up with a reason to get rid of me as a patient. I felt that he was a horrible person and not a Christian. One lady at his church called him evil. I told another lady at the church about that, she was a bit surprised that a doctor with his reputation was called evil by her. she was quiet for a few seconds then said: 'you know that woman is so perceptive, if she said he is evil, he must be" I don't really remember the details cause it was so long ago but we attended the same church and he messed up my reputation there. I wanted to talk to the pastor about it and the pastor dismissed me from him office. Weeks or months later, I got a call from my friend ( the one who said if the women said he is evil, he must be) she said something happened in the church that is very confidential but she needed to tell me. The pastors found out what that doctor is really like and he got into trouble with them. She said the truth always comes out I’m so sorry Heidi you had to go thru that ordeal with THAT doctor. So many fake “Christians” out there that want to take advantage of people and take their money. We used to have a phone book called the Shepherd’s Guide and it would list all these vendors to contact for home repair, car repair, lawn care/tree removal, etc. You can trust the Shepherd’s Guide cause they are “Christian” was their slogan. Well …. my aunt would call up and she was constantly being swindled out … either they didn’t finished the job but took her full payment because they claimed they needed it to buy the supplies, to shoddy work that needed to fix correctly again. She warned me never call “the Shepherd’s Guide”. She always was pleased with the unsaved professional help… they were more honest and wanted their customers satisfied. Fortunately, I still had “some” fun working at that camp in the snack shop later in the afternoons. But the kitchen job … oh my … was pure torture. Early in the mornings we had devotions with the camp counselors in the dining hall before the campers woke up. One time the message was about being kind one towards another and not bearing false witness! I thought YES! Maybe she would get convicted? Well … the corner of my eye I saw that head cook get up and walk back into the kitchen to putter around … she never changed her bitter treatment towards me. It was embarrassing because some of the kitchen workers were my classmates and others I became friends with and they were all scared to death of her crazy outbursts directed towards me. Here they were the ones who accidentally dropped the dishes or ceramic cups and yet … I got yelled at. And she made sure she didn’t go into her rage when my future sister in law was around (she was the assistant cook) so I did get “some” pleasant atmosphere moments when the head cook took her breaks. She covered her tracks so well. Thru the ordeal from hell … made me stronger and not so trusting towards humans. It lead me to wanting to only work in the secular business field with the unsaved vs. the inner “Christian” circles. Looking forward to the millennium and heavenly life and seeing all siblings getting along in perfect harmony … :whistle: I have to disagree with the judgement of sin in heaven; we will receive the rewards (at-a-boys or crowns) for what was done in the body “whether good or evil” (it is not a “judgement of sin” — that was covered by the blood — it is the rewards of what was done with the talents given to us) and per Habakkuk 1:13 “Your eyes are too ·good [pure] to look at evil; you cannot ·stand to see [tolerate; look on] those who do wrong. So how can you put up with those ·evil [treacherous] people? How can you be quiet when the wicked swallow up people who are ·better [more righteous] than they are?” God is to righteous to see sin, so no sin in heaven …. We receive for what we have done on earth. The definition of regret — a feeling of sadness, repentance, or disappointment over something that has happened or been done. Anything I have done on this earth is nothing apart from Christ, so to Him be glory forever and ever…. :prayer-hands: So looking forward to seeing him! :prayer-hands:
Notice that there are six commodities in two groups, in descending order of worth. Three are products of a God’s creative act, not growth or development; three are the result of natural growth and development (from our old nature?).
Also, notice that the “work” is being appraised, not the person. It is the work being tested by fire, not the individual. All are building on the same foundation, but the results are vastly different.
Rewards, not salvation, are the issue. Among these rewards, five crowns may be included: the Crown of righteousness, Crown of glory, Crown of life, incorruptible Crown, and Crown of rejoicing.
