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David, I agree with  Geri: you found excellent scripture. very comforting too.

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here is part of an email  that I got from a relative after quoting most of the scripture here

"If the bible says so. But then again: I hope they had a good translation of the Greek version!

What does that mean for now, for people who donate organs or for those who choose cremation?"

all I can say for now is : do you think He who created the universe will not be able to ressurect someone who has been cremated? Will he get confused not knowing how to deal with the issue of organ donation?

However, I would still like your thoughts.

 

 

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Jeremiah 32:17
Ah Lord God! Behold, You have made the heavens and the earth by Your great power and by Your outstretched arm! There is nothing too difficult or too wonderful for You.

Jeremiah 32:27
“Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh; is there anything too difficult for Me?”

Since we know the graves will be open ... to me this means the bones will rise up including those who were cremated. They are going to come back to life  and fuse together with the same DNA we were born with ... however it won’t be corrupt DNA. I’m talking about DNA in the sense of what we look like - same hair color, eye color, our height that we were originally born with.  I’m not sure about if our skin will be the same because the unsaved will sadly be getting a body that can burn but won’t be consumed.  I’m assuming our bodies will be able to fly and perhaps go through walls?  I don’t think we will have blood flowing through our veins ... I think it might just be water.  That is why I still ponder about all the organs ... I think we still need them - heart, liver, etc. this is why I’m not a donor.

If Moses is one of the 2 witnesses, which I believe he will be ... this verse shows his body is needed ...

Jude 1:9

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

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In heaven we will have the same flesh bodies. But we will be without sin.  1 Corinthians 15:42-44 gives us four things about us that will be different: (1) we will be incorruptible—that is, we won’t ever again be sick or die; (2) we will no longer suffer shame, because we won’t sin; (3) we will have strong powerful bodies, bodies that will not be overcome by disease or fatigue; and (4) we will no longer have a natural body; we will have a spiritual body.  This does not mean that our bodies will be pure spirit.  But it does mean that they will not be quite the same as they are now; they will not be subject to natural laws.

So I would say that our bodies will look the same. And basically, I think they will be the same; but they will be upgraded to last for eternity.

And we won’t be limited by natural laws. We don’t know exactly what we will be able to do, but our bodies will be like the resurrected body of Jesus.  Think of what He did after He was resurrected.  He ate food, yet He was able to walk through walls—and fly (remember? He ascended up into the clouds).  I’m sure we won’t have the same powers as He has; but one thing is certain: we won’t have the same limits as we do now.

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Heidi wrote:

here is part of an email  that I got from a relative after quoting most of the scripture here“If the bible says so. But then again: I hope they had a good translation of the Greek version! [unquote]

Certainly, there are some passages which present problems with translations.  Mostly these do not fundamentally change the meaning of the text, dealing with verb tenses, or subtle points.  That there will be a physical resurrection, and a transformation of the heavens and the earth is not a disputed matter.

https://www.learnreligions.com/jewish-view-of-resurrection-2076764

Sanhedrin 90b and 91b provide an example of this formula. When Rabbi Gamliel was asked how he knew God would resurrect the dead he replied:

"From the Torah: for it is written: 'And the Lord said to Moses, Behold you shall sleep with your fathers; and this people will rise up' [Deuteronomy 31:16]. From the Prophets: as it is written: 'Your dead men shall live, together with my dead bodies shall they arise. Awake and sing, you that dwell in the dust; for your dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out its dead.' [Isaiah 26:19]; from the Writings: as it is written, 'And the roof of your mouth, like the best wine of my beloved, like the best wine, that goes down sweetly, causing the lips of those who are asleep to speak' [Song of Songs 7:9]." (Sanhedrin 90b)

Rabbi Meir also answered this question in Sanhedrin 91b, saying: "As it is said: 'Then will Moses and the children of Israel sing this song unto the Lord' [Exodus 15:1]. It is not said 'sang' but 'will sing'; hence the Resurrection is deducible from the Torah."

The idea of a disembodied existence of the spirit is a Greek concept, not a Hebrew one.  It goes back to the notion in Greek philosophy that the material world is inherently evil.  That is not what God says, for in Genesis He pronounced what He had created as "good."

What does that mean for now, for people who donate organs or for those who choose cremation?”

God does not require the original atoms to recreate someone's body, nor does He need to grab someone's donated kidney and put it back in a resurrected person.

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.  Matthew 10:30

If God can number the hairs of our head, He also is perfectly capable of putting those hair follicles back on someone He raises from the dead.

Heidi, you answered him well.

God is not limited by time or space.  He is just as aware of how we were put together thousands of years after we become dust as He was when our bodies were conceived in the womb.  In a simple analogy, I can print a document off my computer that I saved to memory years after the original paper was destroyed.

When Jesus turned water into wine, there was also an implied history.  Wine has a complex chemistry, and the taste is produced by the grapes it came from.  The point is that God has no limits and His attention to detail is perfect.

 

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I don’t want to derail this thread but I’m curious about  the miracle wine Jesus performed at the Cana Wedding.  He was able to change the molecular composition of the water into wine and the governor at the feast certainly noticed the difference by saying the owner kept the “good wine” until now.  Does that mean this was fine wine that wasn’t fermented and people couldn’t get drunk on ... or do you think it tasted more like non-alcoholic grape juice “fruit of the vine”?

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https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html

I think this is a good article, addressing the issue.  That the wine was praised as being better than what was previously served indicates it wasn't grape juice.

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Oh ok ... I just had some grape expectations that the Cana wedding crowd were perhaps drinking a fresh glass of deliciously squeezed grape juice but I guess it was truly fine wine instead.  I reckon it will be the same at the heavenly wedding banquet. B-)

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