October 19, 2013 at 4:27 pm #5951
I will not get into when the seals get broken and how each event fits on a particular prophetic timeline–what is really only important is that we are getting very, very, very close to something big taking place!!
I see two main feasts taking place in both Revelation 6 and 7 and 8!!
They are the Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles!!
I see a multitude of people around a throne in heaven with Palm Branches and they are performing the custom that is typical on the Feast of Tabernacles!
Then I see this Angel at the golden altar with his fire being thrown towards the earth and his temple ceremony is that which is performed on the Day of Atonement!!!
We are in this time period now!!!!! One is taking place already and who know when it is taking place in heaven–since there is no time clock to guage time-it could take place next year or last year!!
The Feast of Trumpets is actually on October 6, 2013 of this month!!
The Day of Atonement took place on October 12, 2013 and it had the major earthquake at the Phillipines in the town of Cebu-which means Animal Fat–this is a sacrificial term maybe!!
I know that on the date of October 21, 2013 we should see the Feast Of Tabernacles commence!! This is the feast where it is possible that the two witnesses will appear and start there ministry most likely after first sealing the 144,000 jewish ministers of Revelation 7 and then on the last day of the great feast –or October 28, 2013—this should begin their 1,260 day prophecy ministry!!
If you count 1,260 days from October 28, 2013 until Passover on April 11, 2017 you have 1,260 days exactly!!
We know that this year 2017 is the jubilee year of 50 years from the last two liberations of Jerusalem both in 1917 and then in 1967–each 50 years apart!!!
The two witnesses are killed on a jewish Passover and this ends the sixth trumpet judgment!! A great Earthquake ends their ministry!!!
I would not be surprised if another Great Earthquake comes just before the beginning of their ministry–perhaps between now and November 3, 2013!!!
The 144,000 sealed jews are at the beginning of the tribulation period!! This takes place before the great multitude is already in heaven in Revelation 7!!! What that tells me is that the Great multitude is raptured before the sealing of the 144,000 on this possible last fall jewish feast of tabernacles!!! Just a possibility and not a prediction!! Could be sometime afterwards!!!
The great multitude that are in heaven have palm branches in their hand celebrating this jewish feast above in heaven while the 144,000 jewish folk on earth are being sealed at the same time as the two witnesses are administering the gift of the Holy Spirit to this anointed group of jewish followers!!
This time period of October 21-28, 2013 is in the days of Noah and the Flood!! The old calendar has it around the second month and the 17th day of the month!!! He is promised to return in the days of Noah!!
Wouldn’t that be neat once the two witnesses start their judgment pronouncements on October 28, 2013 that only seven days later their will be a possible Great Earthquake around the time of this Hybrid Solar Eclipse on Onvember 3, 2013?? Not making a prediction here but if this timeline is accurately coming together these events must follow this pattern!!
The first Judgment they will announce will be a rain of cometary debris on the earth that will destroy the trees and grass with fire–The first trumpet judgment in Revelation 8:6!!
I already have given the signs in the heaven for where this Angel at the Altar is located who has the comet tail debris in its censer and is casting it towards the earth– and the NASA official verdict is that earth will pass through this comet Ison debris on January 14, 2014!!!
I believe this is the first trumpet judgment–what they can’t guarentee we humans is this–how large the comet tail debris will be as earth will pass directly through the main core of this Comet Ison Debris tail- not just out on the outer fringes–in the thick middle of this freshly blasted tail–it will most likely shed even more debris as it gets close to the sun on November 28, 2013—on the first day of the feast of dedication!!
Now I wonder f the Zechariah vision of this seven lighted candlestick with the two olive trees (Two Witnesses) besides each end–may very well be a prophecy as to the feast date when the two witnesses will be performing there judgments on the earth!!
I could go on but the most amazing thing about this whole Comet Ison event is that it may be the Comet not only of the century but the most prophetic event of all time!!
October 19, 2013 at 10:08 pm #5985
Grumpy Old ChristianParticipant
Yes if an intercalary month should have been added to the end of last year as many people believe it should, based on the conditions of the Barley around Jerusalem, then the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) would begin at Jerusalem sundown starting Tishrei 15. This will occur at about 11:30 A.M. (EST) Sunday morning, October 20th. The week of Sukkot may hold prophetic fulfillment for things we have been waiting for. Let’s keep our eyes open and our minds on the things of God.October 19, 2013 at 10:41 pm #5996
They won’t be here until after we’re gone…correction…won’t be revealed until then. I hope and pray it’s VERY soon!October 19, 2013 at 11:15 pm #5999
one problem with this theory:
The Two Witnesses
11 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.”[a] 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6 They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.
11 But after the three and a half days the breath[b] of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon.
…there is currently no temple in Israel. The ministry of the Two Witnesses takes place in an Israel with a standing temple, whose outer court is being “trodden down by the Gentiles”.
This would prevent the Two Witnesses’ ministry from commencing on the 28/10/2013, unless of course Israel manages to build the Tribulation temple in the next week – which seems unlikely.October 19, 2013 at 11:34 pm #6003
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The two witnesses are on my mind/heart as well, wanting them to come because Israel is still “in the dark” about who Messiah is. More are understanding though. If you get time, have a listen to this youtube from Steven DeNoon because it includes comments about the two witnesses. He believes that their testimony about putting away the mixing of (nations) idolatry from Israel is what is behind the treaty being broken at midtribulation times.
This is not in his comments, is just a comment from me that it occurred just now to me that when Elijah went up in the chariot to heaven, Elisha saw him depart, but the others who were curious did not, they were left behind in the distance. Perhaps the 144,000 besides learning from the two witnesses, will be witness to their arrival.
Psalm 27:4 One thing have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to enquire in his temple.
October 20, 2013 at 12:14 am #6010
There is a way to calculate the arrival of the two witnesses.From Revelation 11 we learn that their 3 and 1/2 years ministry shall end after the 6th trumpet,before the 7th trumpet sounds.As long as we can identify when the 6th trumpet shall sound,we can roughly know when their arrival is during the tribulation,by working 3 and 1/2 years backward.
The 6th trumpet we find in Revelation 9:13;
Revelation 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 16And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Many bible scholars have identified this 200,000,000 armies to the king of the east or China.They are marching toward Euphrates river where AC and his base is at (Zechariah 5:5-11).But where in scripture can we find this prophecy shall take place?
We find it in Daniel 11:44.
Daniel 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
For anyone who has read my thread titled “The rise and fall of the anti Christ”,you may also understand that AC shall invade Israel in the mid-trib (Daniel 11:41).And after his invasion on Israel,he shall go after Egypt(Daniel 11:42).And Libyans and Ethiopians shall be at his steps ( Daniel 11:43).And from Isaiah 20:3-4,we learn that Egypt and Ethiopians shall be fallen into AC’s hand for three years.
And these nations led by Ethiopia shall send out a swift messenger for help (Isaiah 18:2).And I have suggested the nation we find in Isaiah 18 is China.This is world war three when China the king of the east and Russia declaring war on AC and his revived Roman empire,and this event shall ultimately lead to third part being killed with nuclear weapons used.And we have found this third part slaying by the release of the 6th trumpet.
Make the long story short.
The 6th trumpet is Daniel 11:44,when AC is troubled by tidings out of the east (China) and north (Russia),when he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many (third part of human race,result of a nuclear war,or world war three).
Now,let’s go back to my previous timeline of November 3 2013 to Sept 27 2020 Yom kippur.Mid-trib is April 16 2017,when tragedy shall occur in Israel,when AC breaks the covenant and begins his campaign against Israel (Daniel 11:41).He shall also go against Egypt and Ethiopia (Daniel 11:42-43),and these north African nations shall be fallen into his hand for three years (Isaiah 20:3-4,Sept/27 2017 to Sept/27 2020 til the second coming of Christ).The 6th trumpet (around Sept/2017) sounds with king of the east preparing for world war 3 with Russia,the tidings we find in Daniel 11:44,and resulted in third part slaying during this event.
When we find the 6th trumpet is around September/2017,which also indicates the end of the two witnesses ministry,by working 1260 days backward,we find the two witnesses shall arrive in April 2014,possibly around April 15 passover 2014,if my timeline of November 3 2013 to September 27 2020 holds.October 20, 2013 at 1:05 am #6012
As my timeline has indicated,the 1260 days ministry of the two witnesses shall overlap the first half and the second half of the tribulation,with their significant role in the first half,and their killing six months into the second half of the tribulation.
This scenario makes sense,when we find it is the three angels who preach the message of not taking the mark of the beast in Revelation 14.
Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
We all agree that AC shall set up his mark of the beast worship during the second half of the tribulation.And for God to send the three angels to forth warn the world not to take the mark of the beast,the two witnesses must have finished their ministry already at that moment.They don’t play a major role in the second half of the tribulation,as we find no scripture to support this view,when the three angels are definately sent out to forth warn the world not to accepting the mark of the beast.October 20, 2013 at 6:03 am #6020
Thanks for interesting posts, Scott and everyone else.
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
October 20, 2013 at 9:24 am #6036
I must disagree with one point Benjamin made- it would seem logical that the Temple and two witnesses of Rev 11 are all one timeframe but the Bible does not say that.
Again it is a logical assumption, granted; but to be dogmatic about this is to add to the words of Revelation since it does not say this specifically. My point is verses one and two of Rev 11 could be one vision of John the revelator picturing the rebuilt temple, verses three and following could be a totally separate vision of the witnesses- no where is there contained strictly from the word of scripture conclusive proof that the temple will be standing when the witnesses arrive.
Furthermore we often try to make scripture fit neatly into little boxes such as the witnesses ministering in the first 1260 days of the trib, or the last 1260 days of the trib, when as 2nd coming said- it could be a 1260 day span that marks part of the first half and part of the second, since the Bible is not specific that the 1260 days of thier ministry are the same as the first or second half of the tribulation- they very well may be the same but we cannot afford to make such assumptions.
I see it just as likely that they may show up prior to the construction of the temple and may even prophesy against it! The culmination of thier ministry may come with thier murder by the AC at the same time he performs the abomination of desolation – of coarse that is just speculation on my part.
I do hope Scott’s theory and observations are right and they do show up soon, and that we are raptured even sooner- of course only time will tell, everything is but a theory until that moment happens.October 20, 2013 at 11:16 am #6052
I can see everyones points on here and I have to agree with Benjamin and 2nd Coming.
I’m just going to state this simply instead of launching into a long explanation. I believe the temple will be rebuilt under the rule of the AC. It can go up very quickly and is all prefabricated. In their (Israel’s) estimation, it would take 6 months. All the priestly garb, etc. has already been made and fashioned as in following the commands in the O.T. The nation of Israel is slowly leaning more and more toward rebuilding the temple. However, I don’t believe that will happen until after the Ezekiel 38/39 battle because they are not fully turned back to God until they see HIS Hand has saved them and not their own might. Even at that time, when they turn back to God, they still will not know Jesus as Savior (still blinded in part) but we know the end result.
The AC can easily arrange that “deal” for them to rebuild the temple with no adversity. I personally believe that will be part of the “peace” plan and covenant with death.October 20, 2013 at 12:53 pm #6060
I can see everyones points on here and I have to agree with Benjamin and 2nd Coming.<br>
I’m just going to state this simply instead of launching into a long explanation. I believe the temple will be rebuilt under the rule of the AC. It can go up very quickly and is all prefabricated. In their (Israel’s) estimation, it would take 6 months. All the priestly garb, etc. has already been made and fashioned as in following the commands in the O.T. The nation of Israel is slowly leaning more and more toward rebuilding the temple. However, I don’t believe that will happen until after the Ezekiel 38/39 battle because they are not fully turned back to God until they see HIS Hand has saved them and not their own might. Even at that time, when they turn back to God, they still will not know Jesus as Savior (still blinded in part) but we know the end result.<br>
The AC can easily arrange that “deal” for them to rebuild the temple with no adversity. I personally believe that will be part of the “peace” plan and covenant with death.
I agree with you, Shiloh. Everything is all ready to go, they just need the building. We know how quickly a building can go up, and since they already have the blueprint ready, it is just a matter of the right circumstances….
We see that time coming soon.
You guide me with your counsel, and afterward you will receive me to glory.
Whom have I in heaven but you?
And there is nothing on earth that I desire besides you.
My flesh and my heart may fail,
but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever.
October 20, 2013 at 4:41 pm #6083
WOW!! All you wonderful members have written some deep calculations and provided some amazing timelines-I am going to have to make a copy of this thread and study it in detail-that is my homework assignment-this is great stuff here!!
Benjamin–I have done some studies in the past on the two witnesses and if you take the information in Revelation 11 as it is written with John in the Future at a place on the temple mount during the sixth trumpet judgment–he is looking at an already built temple with the altar at the point during the tribulation period which is at or near the end of the sixth trumpet judgment–the key words are in Revelation 10 where the angel is giving him an open book just around the days before the sounding of the last seventh trumpet judgment-you see he is in the future!!
This vision is seeing John in the tribulation period during the time of the sixth trumpet judgment–we cannot read this from our present position–John is a time traveler!!
John sees the rebuilt temple during his visit in the future at the time of the sixth trumpet judgment–In Revelation 11 he is giving a summary of the two witnesses ministry which began 1,260 days prior to where he is at during this moment we find him on the temple mount!!
That is an amazing insight which is soo neat to contemplate if folks would just stop thinking in the present and look at the book of Revelation from John’s future perspective!!!
October 20, 2013 at 5:03 pm #6085
Scott, you blow me away every time with your insight… Can’t wait to meet you in the Glory! I’m gonna track you down in Heaven and give you a great big hug!!!
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October 20, 2013 at 5:29 pm #6090
Grumpy Old ChristianParticipant
Chapter 11 of the Revelation is broken into tree parts by hard breaks in the dialog. Verses 1 and 2 speak of the temple of God. After this is a textual break and then verses 3 through 13 speak of the two witnesses. These eleven verses are the only verses that speak directly about the two witnesses in the Bible. The temple is not mentioned in these eleven verses and the book does not speak of the two witnesses being in the temple or associated with the temple – it’s an assumption based on the proximity to the first two verses of the chapter.
At Revelation chapter 4 John is called into heaven and from there he observes things in both heaven and on earth. In chapter 11 he is given a measuring rod and told to measure the temple of God. Has John been sent back to earth to do this measurement or is this a temple in heaven (Verse 11:19 says the temple of God is in heaven)? So where is the outer court that is overrun by the Gentiles? It’s on earth, on the temple mount, controlled by the Muslim Waqf presently.
A temple is required for the Antichrist to desecrate later on but I’m not so sure it is required from the start in order to have the two witnesses to appear.October 20, 2013 at 7:37 pm #6101
Found this wonderful video on you tube about the chip and end time events, can someone tell me what I am doing wrong, it will not post or can you fix it?
Even so, Lord come quickly.
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