October 19, 2013 at 4:27 pm #5951
I will not get into when the seals get broken and how each event fits on a particular prophetic timeline–what is really only important is that we are getting very, very, very close to something big taking place!!
I see two main feasts taking place in both Revelation 6 and 7 and 8!!
They are the Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles!!
I see a multitude of people around a throne in heaven with Palm Branches and they are performing the custom that is typical on the Feast of Tabernacles!
Then I see this Angel at the golden altar with his fire being thrown towards the earth and his temple ceremony is that which is performed on the Day of Atonement!!!
We are in this time period now!!!!! One is taking place already and who know when it is taking place in heaven–since there is no time clock to guage time-it could take place next year or last year!!
The Feast of Trumpets is actually on October 6, 2013 of this month!!
The Day of Atonement took place on October 12, 2013 and it had the major earthquake at the Phillipines in the town of Cebu-which means Animal Fat–this is a sacrificial term maybe!!
I know that on the date of October 21, 2013 we should see the Feast Of Tabernacles commence!! This is the feast where it is possible that the two witnesses will appear and start there ministry most likely after first sealing the 144,000 jewish ministers of Revelation 7 and then on the last day of the great feast –or October 28, 2013—this should begin their 1,260 day prophecy ministry!!
If you count 1,260 days from October 28, 2013 until Passover on April 11, 2017 you have 1,260 days exactly!!
We know that this year 2017 is the jubilee year of 50 years from the last two liberations of Jerusalem both in 1917 and then in 1967–each 50 years apart!!!
The two witnesses are killed on a jewish Passover and this ends the sixth trumpet judgment!! A great Earthquake ends their ministry!!!
I would not be surprised if another Great Earthquake comes just before the beginning of their ministry–perhaps between now and November 3, 2013!!!
The 144,000 sealed jews are at the beginning of the tribulation period!! This takes place before the great multitude is already in heaven in Revelation 7!!! What that tells me is that the Great multitude is raptured before the sealing of the 144,000 on this possible last fall jewish feast of tabernacles!!! Just a possibility and not a prediction!! Could be sometime afterwards!!!
The great multitude that are in heaven have palm branches in their hand celebrating this jewish feast above in heaven while the 144,000 jewish folk on earth are being sealed at the same time as the two witnesses are administering the gift of the Holy Spirit to this anointed group of jewish followers!!
This time period of October 21-28, 2013 is in the days of Noah and the Flood!! The old calendar has it around the second month and the 17th day of the month!!! He is promised to return in the days of Noah!!
Wouldn’t that be neat once the two witnesses start their judgment pronouncements on October 28, 2013 that only seven days later their will be a possible Great Earthquake around the time of this Hybrid Solar Eclipse on Onvember 3, 2013?? Not making a prediction here but if this timeline is accurately coming together these events must follow this pattern!!
The first Judgment they will announce will be a rain of cometary debris on the earth that will destroy the trees and grass with fire–The first trumpet judgment in Revelation 8:6!!
I already have given the signs in the heaven for where this Angel at the Altar is located who has the comet tail debris in its censer and is casting it towards the earth– and the NASA official verdict is that earth will pass through this comet Ison debris on January 14, 2014!!!
I believe this is the first trumpet judgment–what they can’t guarentee we humans is this–how large the comet tail debris will be as earth will pass directly through the main core of this Comet Ison Debris tail- not just out on the outer fringes–in the thick middle of this freshly blasted tail–it will most likely shed even more debris as it gets close to the sun on November 28, 2013—on the first day of the feast of dedication!!
Now I wonder f the Zechariah vision of this seven lighted candlestick with the two olive trees (Two Witnesses) besides each end–may very well be a prophecy as to the feast date when the two witnesses will be performing there judgments on the earth!!
I could go on but the most amazing thing about this whole Comet Ison event is that it may be the Comet not only of the century but the most prophetic event of all time!!
October 19, 2013 at 10:08 pm #5985
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Yes if an intercalary month should have been added to the end of last year as many people believe it should, based on the conditions of the Barley around Jerusalem, then the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) would begin at Jerusalem sundown starting Tishrei 15. This will occur at about 11:30 A.M. (EST) Sunday morning, October 20th. The week of Sukkot may hold prophetic fulfillment for things we have been waiting for. Let’s keep our eyes open and our minds on the things of God.October 19, 2013 at 10:41 pm #5996
They won’t be here until after we’re gone…correction…won’t be revealed until then. I hope and pray it’s VERY soon!October 19, 2013 at 11:15 pm #5999
one problem with this theory:
The Two Witnesses
11 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.”[a] 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6 They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.
11 But after the three and a half days the breath[b] of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon.
…there is currently no temple in Israel. The ministry of the Two Witnesses takes place in an Israel with a standing temple, whose outer court is being “trodden down by the Gentiles”.
This would prevent the Two Witnesses’ ministry from commencing on the 28/10/2013, unless of course Israel manages to build the Tribulation temple in the next week – which seems unlikely.October 19, 2013 at 11:34 pm #6003
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The two witnesses are on my mind/heart as well, wanting them to come because Israel is still “in the dark” about who Messiah is. More are understanding though. If you get time, have a listen to this youtube from Steven DeNoon because it includes comments about the two witnesses. He believes that their testimony about putting away the mixing of (nations) idolatry from Israel is what is behind the treaty being broken at midtribulation times.
This is not in his comments, is just a comment from me that it occurred just now to me that when Elijah went up in the chariot to heaven, Elisha saw him depart, but the others who were curious did not, they were left behind in the distance. Perhaps the 144,000 besides learning from the two witnesses, will be witness to their arrival.
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October 20, 2013 at 12:14 am #6010
There is a way to calculate the arrival of the two witnesses.From Revelation 11 we learn that their 3 and 1/2 years ministry shall end after the 6th trumpet,before the 7th trumpet sounds.As long as we can identify when the 6th trumpet shall sound,we can roughly know when their arrival is during the tribulation,by working 3 and 1/2 years backward.
The 6th trumpet we find in Revelation 9:13;
Revelation 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 16And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Many bible scholars have identified this 200,000,000 armies to the king of the east or China.They are marching toward Euphrates river where AC and his base is at (Zechariah 5:5-11).But where in scripture can we find this prophecy shall take place?
We find it in Daniel 11:44.
Daniel 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
For anyone who has read my thread titled “The rise and fall of the anti Christ”,you may also understand that AC shall invade Israel in the mid-trib (Daniel 11:41).And after his invasion on Israel,he shall go after Egypt(Daniel 11:42).And Libyans and Ethiopians shall be at his steps ( Daniel 11:43).And from Isaiah 20:3-4,we learn that Egypt and Ethiopians shall be fallen into AC’s hand for three years.
And these nations led by Ethiopia shall send out a swift messenger for help (Isaiah 18:2).And I have suggested the nation we find in Isaiah 18 is China.This is world war three when China the king of the east and Russia declaring war on AC and his revived Roman empire,and this event shall ultimately lead to third part being killed with nuclear weapons used.And we have found this third part slaying by the release of the 6th trumpet.
Make the long story short.
The 6th trumpet is Daniel 11:44,when AC is troubled by tidings out of the east (China) and north (Russia),when he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many (third part of human race,result of a nuclear war,or world war three).
Now,let’s go back to my previous timeline of November 3 2013 to Sept 27 2020 Yom kippur.Mid-trib is April 16 2017,when tragedy shall occur in Israel,when AC breaks the covenant and begins his campaign against Israel (Daniel 11:41).He shall also go against Egypt and Ethiopia (Daniel 11:42-43),and these north African nations shall be fallen into his hand for three years (Isaiah 20:3-4,Sept/27 2017 to Sept/27 2020 til the second coming of Christ).The 6th trumpet (around Sept/2017) sounds with king of the east preparing for world war 3 with Russia,the tidings we find in Daniel 11:44,and resulted in third part slaying during this event.
When we find the 6th trumpet is around September/2017,which also indicates the end of the two witnesses ministry,by working 1260 days backward,we find the two witnesses shall arrive in April 2014,possibly around April 15 passover 2014,if my timeline of November 3 2013 to September 27 2020 holds.October 20, 2013 at 1:05 am #6012
As my timeline has indicated,the 1260 days ministry of the two witnesses shall overlap the first half and the second half of the tribulation,with their significant role in the first half,and their killing six months into the second half of the tribulation.
This scenario makes sense,when we find it is the three angels who preach the message of not taking the mark of the beast in Revelation 14.
Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
We all agree that AC shall set up his mark of the beast worship during the second half of the tribulation.And for God to send the three angels to forth warn the world not to take the mark of the beast,the two witnesses must have finished their ministry already at that moment.They don’t play a major role in the second half of the tribulation,as we find no scripture to support this view,when the three angels are definately sent out to forth warn the world not to accepting the mark of the beast.October 20, 2013 at 6:03 am #6020
Thanks for interesting posts, Scott and everyone else.
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
October 20, 2013 at 9:24 am #6036
I must disagree with one point Benjamin made- it would seem logical that the Temple and two witnesses of Rev 11 are all one timeframe but the Bible does not say that.
Again it is a logical assumption, granted; but to be dogmatic about this is to add to the words of Revelation since it does not say this specifically. My point is verses one and two of Rev 11 could be one vision of John the revelator picturing the rebuilt temple, verses three and following could be a totally separate vision of the witnesses- no where is there contained strictly from the word of scripture conclusive proof that the temple will be standing when the witnesses arrive.
Furthermore we often try to make scripture fit neatly into little boxes such as the witnesses ministering in the first 1260 days of the trib, or the last 1260 days of the trib, when as 2nd coming said- it could be a 1260 day span that marks part of the first half and part of the second, since the Bible is not specific that the 1260 days of thier ministry are the same as the first or second half of the tribulation- they very well may be the same but we cannot afford to make such assumptions.
I see it just as likely that they may show up prior to the construction of the temple and may even prophesy against it! The culmination of thier ministry may come with thier murder by the AC at the same time he performs the abomination of desolation – of coarse that is just speculation on my part.
I do hope Scott’s theory and observations are right and they do show up soon, and that we are raptured even sooner- of course only time will tell, everything is but a theory until that moment happens.October 20, 2013 at 11:16 am #6052
I can see everyones points on here and I have to agree with Benjamin and 2nd Coming.
I’m just going to state this simply instead of launching into a long explanation. I believe the temple will be rebuilt under the rule of the AC. It can go up very quickly and is all prefabricated. In their (Israel’s) estimation, it would take 6 months. All the priestly garb, etc. has already been made and fashioned as in following the commands in the O.T. The nation of Israel is slowly leaning more and more toward rebuilding the temple. However, I don’t believe that will happen until after the Ezekiel 38/39 battle because they are not fully turned back to God until they see HIS Hand has saved them and not their own might. Even at that time, when they turn back to God, they still will not know Jesus as Savior (still blinded in part) but we know the end result.
The AC can easily arrange that “deal” for them to rebuild the temple with no adversity. I personally believe that will be part of the “peace” plan and covenant with death.October 20, 2013 at 12:53 pm #6060
I can see everyones points on here and I have to agree with Benjamin and 2nd Coming.<br>
I’m just going to state this simply instead of launching into a long explanation. I believe the temple will be rebuilt under the rule of the AC. It can go up very quickly and is all prefabricated. In their (Israel’s) estimation, it would take 6 months. All the priestly garb, etc. has already been made and fashioned as in following the commands in the O.T. The nation of Israel is slowly leaning more and more toward rebuilding the temple. However, I don’t believe that will happen until after the Ezekiel 38/39 battle because they are not fully turned back to God until they see HIS Hand has saved them and not their own might. Even at that time, when they turn back to God, they still will not know Jesus as Savior (still blinded in part) but we know the end result.<br>
The AC can easily arrange that “deal” for them to rebuild the temple with no adversity. I personally believe that will be part of the “peace” plan and covenant with death.
I agree with you, Shiloh. Everything is all ready to go, they just need the building. We know how quickly a building can go up, and since they already have the blueprint ready, it is just a matter of the right circumstances….
We see that time coming soon.
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October 20, 2013 at 4:41 pm #6083
WOW!! All you wonderful members have written some deep calculations and provided some amazing timelines-I am going to have to make a copy of this thread and study it in detail-that is my homework assignment-this is great stuff here!!
Benjamin–I have done some studies in the past on the two witnesses and if you take the information in Revelation 11 as it is written with John in the Future at a place on the temple mount during the sixth trumpet judgment–he is looking at an already built temple with the altar at the point during the tribulation period which is at or near the end of the sixth trumpet judgment–the key words are in Revelation 10 where the angel is giving him an open book just around the days before the sounding of the last seventh trumpet judgment-you see he is in the future!!
This vision is seeing John in the tribulation period during the time of the sixth trumpet judgment–we cannot read this from our present position–John is a time traveler!!
John sees the rebuilt temple during his visit in the future at the time of the sixth trumpet judgment–In Revelation 11 he is giving a summary of the two witnesses ministry which began 1,260 days prior to where he is at during this moment we find him on the temple mount!!
That is an amazing insight which is soo neat to contemplate if folks would just stop thinking in the present and look at the book of Revelation from John’s future perspective!!!
October 20, 2013 at 5:03 pm #6085
Scott, you blow me away every time with your insight… Can’t wait to meet you in the Glory! I’m gonna track you down in Heaven and give you a great big hug!!!
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October 20, 2013 at 5:29 pm #6090
Grumpy Old ChristianParticipant
Chapter 11 of the Revelation is broken into tree parts by hard breaks in the dialog. Verses 1 and 2 speak of the temple of God. After this is a textual break and then verses 3 through 13 speak of the two witnesses. These eleven verses are the only verses that speak directly about the two witnesses in the Bible. The temple is not mentioned in these eleven verses and the book does not speak of the two witnesses being in the temple or associated with the temple – it’s an assumption based on the proximity to the first two verses of the chapter.
At Revelation chapter 4 John is called into heaven and from there he observes things in both heaven and on earth. In chapter 11 he is given a measuring rod and told to measure the temple of God. Has John been sent back to earth to do this measurement or is this a temple in heaven (Verse 11:19 says the temple of God is in heaven)? So where is the outer court that is overrun by the Gentiles? It’s on earth, on the temple mount, controlled by the Muslim Waqf presently.
A temple is required for the Antichrist to desecrate later on but I’m not so sure it is required from the start in order to have the two witnesses to appear.October 20, 2013 at 7:37 pm #6101
Found this wonderful video on you tube about the chip and end time events, can someone tell me what I am doing wrong, it will not post or can you fix it?
Even so, Lord come quickly.October 20, 2013 at 8:25 pm #6113
Even so, Lord come quickly.October 20, 2013 at 8:53 pm #6119
With reference to this link below,
I am really enjoying the various perspective and views on the 2 witnesses, which pertains to End-Times prophecy and the coming of our beautiful Lord and Savior Christ Jesus. I do not know how much more to express, but I want to thank everyone for their contribution. I am seriously loving every minute of it. Let’s keep the forum this way!
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October 20, 2013 at 10:01 pm #6128
Using my timeline of Nov 3 2013 to Sept 27 2020 Yom kippur,and by suggesting the 6th trumpet is Daniel 11:44,which shall occur around Sept 2017,when Egypt and Ethiopia begins their fall under AC for 3 years,then we can calculate when the 5th trumpet shall occur.
Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. 2And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. 3And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. 5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. 6And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
The key words is “but that they should be tormented five months”.From the mid-trib April 16 2017 to the 6th trumpet Sept 2017,there are precisely 5 months.And some of us agree that AC shall suffer a fatal wound in the mid-trib,but miraculously come back to alive with a demon possessing him.
Now,let’s go back to Revelation 9.
Revelation 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. 8And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. 9And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. 10And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. 11And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
I agree with Tim Lahaye that these locusts are demons,and they have a leader whose name in Hebrew tongue is Abaddon,but in the Greek tongue his name is Apollyon.
The timing couldn’t be more perfect.
The 5th trumpet sounds right at the mid-trib which is April 16 2017.And with this trumpet the demonic forces have been released from hell,headed by their leader Abaddon.And this leader shall possess AC when his fatal wound almost causes him to death.These demonic forces shall torment those without God’s seal for 5 months.And when the two witnesses finish their testimony around Sept 2017,the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them (Revelation 11:7).
The beast which is referred here is the same beast or demon we find in Revelation 9:11.And his name is Abaddon.
Make the long story short.
5th trumpet sounds during the mid-trib (April 2017).The demons are released from the bottomless pit to torment those without God’s seal for 5 months.They have a leader whose name is Abaddon,and quite possibly possesses AC while his fatal wound is miraculously healed.They shall torment those without God’s seal for 5 months up to Sept 2017.And when the two witnesses shall finish their testimony by Sept 2017,the beast from bottomless pit (AC being possessed by Abaddon) shall make war with them,and shall overcome them,and kill them.October 20, 2013 at 10:11 pm #6130
And concerning why the torments can only last 5 months,not longer.I guess the answer lies in the 6th trumpet which signifies the beginning of the world war 3,when third part shall be slayed.And this bodily death shall also cause the torment to stop.October 21, 2013 at 12:30 pm #6209
WOW PropheticDrMr–that was a hair raising video–I am going out soon to find that book at the nearest bookstore!! That video needs to be seen by everyone in America!! I am going to let some of my unsaved friends read that book!!
2nd Coming–you really have a great handle on those timelines and calculations! I came up with an exact calculation as you for the April 2017 date for the middle of the tribulation period–the sign in the heavens is the beginning of the 7th trumpet judgment 5 months later!!!
Another thing about that amazing video—it was giving the year 2017 as when all humans would be implanted–why are we not surprised as to the accuracy of the Revelation timeline–it seems God is opening up the timeline for all us believers to see that those numbers and time periods are written down for a reason–John did not have to record any day counts or month counts-he could have just generalized the tribulation events-but instead those days and months are given to us humans to calculate and to come up with a scriptural timeline which is exactly what the Book of Revelation is all about—-it is a Prophetic Timeline!!!
Humblehorse–I still want to get some heavy guitar lessons from you at my new mansion on 12th and Paradise Street–and by the way Scarby still wants to lick your face-he headbangs to all your music videos–I can’t keep his tail from wagging every time you hit the guitar lick lotto mark on another amazing video track–your guitar playing is addictive!! He likes that raw talent and Vox Amp overdrive sound!!
October 21, 2013 at 12:48 pm #6211
I’m impressed by all this knowledge that you all have.
Thanks for brilliant posts.
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
October 21, 2013 at 2:32 pm #6229
Great thread Scott I thoroughly enjoy reading all the posts. I remembered on another thread you said there would be an earthquake and there was.
M6.4 – GULF OF CALIFORNIA
Preliminary Earthquake Report Magnitude 6.4
Date-Time 19 Oct 2013 17:54:56 UTC
God is opening up the timeline for all us believers to see that those numbers and time periods are written down for a reason–John did not have to record any day counts or month counts-he could have just generalized the tribulation events-but instead those days and months are given to us humans to calculate and to come up with a scriptural timeline which is exactly what the Book of Revelation is all about—-it is a Prophetic Timeline!!!
Yes the scriptures tell us. 1 Thessalonians 5 4: But you, brothers, aren’t in darkness, that the day should overtake you like a thief.
This day will be a happy day for the righteous. They are not in darkness; they are the children of the light. It is the happy condition of all true Christians. But how many are speaking peace and safety to themselves, over whose heads utter destruction is hovering! We need to awaken ourselves and each other, and guard against our spiritual enemies.
"One thing I ask of the LORD, this is what I seek: that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to gaze upon the beauty of the LORD and to seek him in his temple. " - Psalm 27:4
October 21, 2013 at 5:44 pm #6267
Annelis–these Ritans are a special breed of know-it-alls– but really we is nothing without the true knowledge of Christ and the wisdom it takes to interpret the scriptures correctly-I get it wrong many times-I’m still using the eraser on that chalkboard!!
RitaMay I was talking to a Neighbor days before this 6.4 Gulf of California earthquake and said that the earthquake in California may take place on the October 12, 2013 date-little did we know that that same evening a 5.0 strong quake hit right off the coast of California where the town of Eureka is located-just a couple of hours difference–this was the possible quake others were seeing in a vision just before the big one-the EQ size and town all seemed to fit the vision –this was to have been the quake just before the big one!!
I am still looking for a major earthquake between now and November 3, 2013!! This time period could be very prophetic!!
October 21, 2013 at 6:01 pm #6271
Things certainly are happening fast. Wow I feel so good in my heart, I feel our Lord’s return is so near.
Even so, Lord come quickly.October 23, 2013 at 12:16 am #6468
Scott, the 7th trumpet in my time line is almost the same as yours,that is,the Fall in 2017.The 7th trumpet shall bring forth the 7 vials judgment.But I have also wondered concerning these verses.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
We know before the kingdom of this world becomes the kingdom of Christ,there shall still be a short period for the releasing of the 7 vials judgment.Here is my thought.
Since I believe the very last of the tribulation period shall be dominated by a world wide warfare which shall ultimately lead to a global nuclear warfare,the 7 vials judgment when we study carefully,are the results of this nuclear war.We can say that these judgment are come from God,but we can also say that mankind has induced this war upon themselves.God only will it.
Having said this,when we look at the 7 vials judgment,grevious sores may be the result of nuclear radiation or biological weapons.
And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. When multiple nuclear missles fall on the ocean,water has become contaminated.Every living creatures shall die from it.
And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. Same as my previous explanation when lethal weapons fall on the rivers.
And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. With multiple nuclear explosions all over the planet,the ozone layer shall be destroyed.Sun thru the atmosphere shall be 7 times intensified.
And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, With nuclear cloud covering beast kingdom,the day shall become dark,and night even darker.
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. Currently we are witnessing Euphrates river being dried up.I won’t be surprised to see this intensified when a global war is going on,with missles falling on rivers,while the king of the east marching their way to Euphrates.
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. I have previously suggested that the hailstone in the size of a talent is the result of a nuclear winter.
Make my long story short,when there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; it may point to God’s wrath directly from him has come to complete,except the final 7 vials are the deeds human has induced upon themselves.
This is just my thought.
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