- January 11, 2014 at 3:40 pm #21011
I came across this find this morning during bible study.
“To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.” (1 Thessalonians 3:13, KJV).
Notice how it says Jesus is coming “with” his saints, as in he brings them with him. That must mean we aren’t around for the tribulation he is returning to.
"I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead." Phillip. 3:10-11January 11, 2014 at 10:17 pm #21061
Let it be soonJanuary 13, 2014 at 11:18 pm #21397
I need to make a quick correction. One FB ritan pointed out this verse is about the rapture and not the Second Coming. After all if saints are returning with Jesus and are already glorified, then whose hearts are being established and made blameless? Those alive in Christ at the rapture are the ones whose “hearts will be established” and the dead in Christ are the saints who come with him.
This means 1 Thess. 3:13 can’t be used as a pre-trib verse, but I think Revelation 19:14 is another verse that can be used and proves my original point .
“I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean
The context clearly depicts the Second Coming. Jesus returns with an army, and I think it is one of saints and angels. The riders are dressed in “fine linen white and clean”. The “wife of the Lamb” is described as wearing white linen (19:8). Paul describes the Bride as being without spot or wrinkle. Even the princess of Psalm 45 (about Jesus as King and his wedding) wears fine, white garments. Thus those coming with Jesus when he returns for the battle of Armageddon, are his saints. This coupled with idea that we aren’t appointed to wrath (1 thess 5:9), makes a good case for a pre trib rapture.
"I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead." Phillip. 3:10-11
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