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    Wise Gal
    Wise Gal
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    Hey Ritan framily 🙂 I went to see a documentary, Is Genesis History. It was very well done and interesting but I’ve since gotten into some conversations with other Christians and I wanted to see what you guys think. You all have such a wealth of knowledge and I respect your opinions. The documentary takes a dogmatic stance on the 6 day creation in the literal sense which is in direct opposition to those who are theological evolutionists. I myself just believe the Bible but I have to say, I’ve never really delved into the other schools of thought. My question to a theology professor was about whether or not one is calling into question the veracity of the scriptures as a whole when you begin to call into question Genesis. In my mind then, what is to stop you from calling into question the gospel. I feel like it gets on a very splippery slope. Mind you that this professor also doesn’t want anything to do with prophecy and feels that all prophecy has already been fulfilled in the Bible. I was just a little shocked at how many people I know who are actually theological evolutionsists. I hope I’m not bumping anyone because it is not my intention. I’m just wanting to gain a greater understanding of this information.

    Isaiah 40:31 Those who wait upon The Lord shall renew their strength. They will mount up with wings as eagles. They will run and not grow weary. They will walk and not faint.

    #128949

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    theological evolutionsists

    “What is theistic evolution?”

    Answer: Theistic evolution is one of three major origin-of-life worldviews, the other two being atheistic evolution (also commonly known as Darwinian evolution and naturalistic evolution) and special creation. Versions of theistic evolution come somewhere between one of two extremes. One view is close to deism, which says God allows only natural processes to influence the development of life. The other assumes that God constantly used miraculous intervention to guide evolution.

    The first boundary of theistic evolution states that there is a God, but He was not directly involved in the origin of life. According to this view, God created the building blocks and natural laws with the eventual emergence of life in mind. However, early on He stepped back and let His creation take over. He let it do what it was designed to do, and life eventually emerged from non-living material. This view is similar to atheistic evolution in that it presumes a naturalistic—albiet God-designed and ordained—origin of life. Atheistic evolution also assumes that life emerged naturally from preexisting, non-living building blocks under the influence of natural laws. However, according to atheistic evolution, there is no God, and the origin of those natural laws is not explained.

    https://www.gotquestions.org/theistic-evolution.html

    I myself just believe the Bible but I have to say, I’ve never really delved into the other schools of thought.

    I would stick with God’s Word, but that just me… Here is what CARM has to say about this topic…

    If evolution is true and the Bible is true, then how is the formation of Eve explained? She was created out of one of Adam’s ribs (Gen. 2:22). There is no way to explain this if theistic evolution is true, that is, unless you want to say that Eve wasn’t made from Adam’s side. Then, if you do that, you are doubting the very Word of God.

    Also, Jesus said in Mark 10:6, “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.'” The beginning was not evolutionary slime; in the beginning of creation there was Adam and Eve.

    Though this information is brief and far from complete, it should be obvious that theistic evolution and the Scriptures cannot be harmonized.
    https://carm.org/secular-movements/evolution/theistic-evolution

    #128950

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    The word “theistic” comes from the Greek theos, meaning God. Therefore, when one claims to be a theistic evolutionist, he is claiming to believe in both God and evolution at the same time.

    Many believe in theistic evolution because they do not want to make a decision in favor of either evolution or creation. As the old saying goes, “they want to have their cake and eat it too.” One important reason for the current popularity of this theory is that Bible believers have been intimidated. Several years ago, the famous evolutionist of Oxford University, Richard Dawkins wrote: “It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid, or insane (or wicked, but I’d rather not consider that).” Such “intellectually intimidating” statements have had an extremely negative affect on our society. People of all walks of life have been duped into believing that evolution is a fact and that the Bible is fiction. They have been bullied by impressive credentials and prestige jargon from some within the scientific community. As a result, the intimidation of pseudoscience has convinced them that somehow evolution must be “worked into” the Bible.

    There are several reasons why one should reject theistic evolution. First, it is wrong because the Bible states that Adam was the first man. First Corinthians 15:45 and Genesis 1-2 both make it plainly clear that Adam was the first man. Not so, says evolution. Evolutionary theory says that Homo erectus or Homo habilis or Australopithecus afarensis or Kenyanthropus playtops was the first man. Which will the theistic evolutionist accept as correct—the Bible, or the evolutionary model? Both cannot be correct, since they teach exactly opposite concepts.

    Theistic evolution is wrong because it cannot explain where man acquired his soul. The Bible plainly states that God created man (not an ape or ape-like creature) in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27) and gave that man an immortal soul (Ecclesiastes 12:7). Did that soul evolve along with all the other parts of man? How will the theistic evolutionist get a soul into man? [Without a soul, man is nothing more than a “naked ape.” And when we teach children they are nothing but animals, they will live like animals!

    http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=9&article=422

    ~

    #128955
    Wise Gal
    Wise Gal
    Participant

    Thank you Mike. I have been doing some research and cannot figure out how someone can marry those two concepts.

    Isaiah 40:31 Those who wait upon The Lord shall renew their strength. They will mount up with wings as eagles. They will run and not grow weary. They will walk and not faint.

    #128959
    David R
    David R
    Moderator

    When the foundation is attacked, the entire structure is attacked. How do you claim Jesus is Savior if you deny He saved us from something which actually happened in history?

    God in His mercy may save those who accept theistic evolution, if they call upon the Name of the Lord. However, the two positions are logically irreconcilable.

    Is Genesis impossible from a scientific view? The same “science” insists the resurrection of Christ is also.

    Apparent age is the only resolution I can find. When the Lord turned water into wine, the complex molecules of the wine took on a presumed “history.”

    Likewise, when the bread and fishes were multiplied, the loaves had the appearance of having come from an oven and the fish grown in water.

    You really couldn’t create anything without a prior state being implied. Make a mature plant and the assumption is that it came from a seed. Make a seed and the assumption is that it must have come from a mature plant. That assumption comes from the acceptance of evolution as a starting point. If at any stage you allow that God can create something out of nothing, then the whole premise of evolution collapses.

    My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord;
    my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Psalm 84:2


    #128961

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    If at any stage you allow that God can create something out of nothing, then the whole premise of evolution collapses

    Excellent comments David… These folks will always try and Put God in a Box..

    Gen 1:3  And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 

    When the foundation is attacked, the entire structure is attacked

    These folks need a little dose of Simple Faith…. without faith it is impossible to please God.

    ~

    #128962

    WVBORN56
    Participant

    I went to the movie last week with a friend from church.

    I have great admiration and respect for Dr. Del Tackett. I have gone through the “Truth Project” video teaching series twice that he does through Dr. James Dobson’s ministry.

    I strongly concur with the conclusions reached by the men who produced the six day young earth movie.

    Theistic evolution conflicts with the fact that death was first introduced into the human experience with the sin of Adam and Eve. God’s word says that there was no death prior to their sin precluding the whole premise that God used the evolution process, which would require millions of years of death and dying.

    Not only that but Tackett and the group of scientists make a good case for not only the young earth but also the impossibility of evolution being feasible or even reasonable.

    Someday soon the Lord God will make it crystal clear how absolutely stupid we were for ever even entertaining the absolute preposterous and nonsensical theory that is represented by evolution. We are mocked and ridiculed for our belief in accepting the Bibles account of creation. Yet the irony is it is not us but it’s the “brilliant” men and women of our age who really are not so smart after all.

    The evolutionist start with and incorrect paradigm and build their case for evolution and arrive a false conclusion. If however one starts with a biblical truth and paradigm one arrives at the correct scientific conclusions.

    Trust the literal interpretation of God’s word!

    #128966

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    The evolutionist start with and incorrect paradigm and build their case for evolution and arrive a false conclusion. If however one starts with a biblical truth and paradigm one arrives at the correct scientific conclusions.
    Trust the literal interpretation of God’s word!

    These folks who think they are so Brilliant… Even, In 2014, Stephen Hawking, a renowned physicist, and cosmologist said, “Success in creating A.I. would be the biggest event in human history.. He also said it “could spell the end of the human race”.
    One of the Things I see coming out of this scientific evolutionist paradigm,
    is artificial intelligence, Men Trying to Becomes gods..

    Lord help those who will still be here after The Rapture, I sure hope they chose wisely then……

    ~

    Votes of thanks [Goodcheer, churchgal, David R, Loz, Wise Gal]
    #128967
    Wise Gal
    Wise Gal
    Participant

    When the foundation is attacked, the entire structure is attacked. How do you claim Jesus is Savior if you deny He saved us from something which actually happened in history?

    God in His mercy may save those who accept theistic evolution, if they call upon the Name of the Lord. However, the two positions are logically irreconcilable.

    Is Genesis impossible from a scientific view? The same “science” insists the resurrection of Christ is also.

    Apparent age is the only resolution I can find. When the Lord turned water into wine, the complex molecules of the wine took on a presumed “history.”

    Likewise, when the bread and fishes were multiplied, the loaves had the appearance of having come from an oven and the fish grown in water.

    You really couldn’t create anything without a prior state being implied. Make a mature plant and the assumption is that it came from a seed. Make a seed and the assumption is that it must have come from a mature plant. That assumption comes from the acceptance of evolution as a starting point. If at any stage you allow that God can create something out of nothing, then the whole premise of evolution collapses.

    Thank you David. I love how you’ve explained this. I knew my Ritan’ers would have some amazing commentary. I want to examine the schools of thought involved in this to be able to intelligently discuss this when it comes up in conversations. David are there any resources you could recommend for me?

    Isaiah 40:31 Those who wait upon The Lord shall renew their strength. They will mount up with wings as eagles. They will run and not grow weary. They will walk and not faint.

    #128968
    Goodcheer
    Goodcheer
    Participant

    This reminds me of how once I was in a Christian book store. Out of the blue, another customer approached me and said that he just couldn’t get past the Jonah and the whale story, staring at me as if he wanted me to explain it to him. I was quite a baby Christian in those days. I don’t remember my exact reply, but it was something along the lines of how I just chose to believe it. But I understood his questioning. We’ve all been educated to replace God with “Science” and science has a logical, rational explanation for everything, so they want us to believe. Hogwash! Science is interesting, and orderly, but basing our understanding of life and God on science is traveling on a road of hopeless futility. It’s backward.

    God is Almighty and Perfect. He can and does do anything He wants to, despite much of humanity’s efforts to deny or diminish Him, calling it “understanding” or rational explanation of the impossible.

    Believing that nothing is impossible with God, is the beginning of knowing that He is our Father in heaven.

    Delight thyself also in the Lord: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.


    Votes of thanks [churchgal, Wise Gal, Mike Mc, David R, Loz]
    #128969
    Donna
    Donna
    Participant

    honestly . I’ve never understood how the world and the devil actually convinces even one soul of the insanity of evolution ~~ the species ordained by God are in ‘tune’ ~not mixing dna (except when ‘scientists’ try to do it) ~~ it remains as great reason to believe in Creation ~ . . I stay amazed how much the world accepts ‘as intellectual reasoning’ such denial of the Creator through evolution rebelling against the Infinite God and His Power, ~~~ He has spoken: we are without excuse ~

    ~seeing the galaxies and the stars, and the beauty (despite the curse) of the creation around us and yes, there is still affection of the species showing mankind ‘glimpses’ of the goodness of God ~~

    so glad our God and Creator never speaks in ‘defense’ of Who He is, . . ~~

    Votes of thanks [Wise Gal, Mike Mc, David R, Loz, Goodcheer]

    #128972
    David R
    David R
    Moderator

    David are there any resources you could recommend for me?

    I like this site:

    http://crev.info/

    http://crev.info/2017/02/genesis-hits-the-big-screen/

    My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord;
    my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Psalm 84:2


    Votes of thanks [Loz, Goodcheer, Wise Gal]

    #128973
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
    Participant

    So too I would subscribe to a “presumed history” with regards to creation. Literalness says the world was created in six days. We then are told that a day is as a thousand years before the Lord. Ergo, we look to the template of six thousand years for the span of man upon the face of this earth, and the last thousand years found in the Millenial reign.

    I have reconciled the great ages attributed to the Earth, the universe, all creation and Man with this presumed history. God didn’t need the expanse of time to create age, but rather simply incorporated it in His final product. So then in our understanding of the physical universe and it’s physical laws of nature, we in hindsight can only attribute epoch times. All things created by God were made full and complete taking on the appearance of age. Though He took but short amounts of time in His creation!

    As the primary force of creation rather than the passing of time, God must get the glory.

    As I have previously stated, when Satan wanted to introduce doubt with regards to God, the first thing he had to attack was the creatorship of God. His second greatest attack was against the institution of marriage and sexuality!

    Suffice to say, that when these two truths are brought into question, all else crumbles with this foundation!!!

    TR

    Votes of thanks [Goodcheer, David R, Wise Gal]

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