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  • #99411
    Loz
    Loz
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    Err….. NOPE! :scratch:

    Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

    The question in the headline above might sound like a matter of abstract theology rather than current events. It turned out to be quite a newsy matter, however, with a recent decision taken by the administration of Wheaton College, a small Christian university in Illinois.

    Larycia Hawkins, a tenured political science professor who teaches at Wheaton, wrote on her Facebook page, “We worship the same god.” She, as a Christian, was referring to Muslims, and was expressing solidarity with Muslim women by donning a headscarf. But the theological basis she offered for this ecumenism did not go down well with her institution. Soon, Wheaton College informed her that she no longer was welcome to teach there.

    In support of its decision, the Wheaton College noted that Dr. Hawkins’ “theological statements seem inconsistent with Wheaton’s doctrinal convictions.” This, of course, first raises a question of academic freedom. Should religious colleges only employ professors with the “right doctrine?” Wouldn’t they, and their students, benefit from different views that can enlarge their scope? Of course every institution has the right to opt for a narrower scope, but then others have the right to question the wisdom of that approach.

    For me, as someone who is theologically inclined, the only issue here is not just academic freedom, though. It is also the presupposition that Christians and Muslims do NOT worship the same God. I actually know many Christians and Muslim who would agree with that verdict readily, if not enthusiastically. But both sides might benefit from taking a step back and thinking a bit more carefully.

    First, for Muslims, the statement that Muslims and Christians worship the same God must not be news – if they are aware of what the Qur’an says. The Muslim Scripture tells its believers to “argue with the People of the Book in the kindest way,” and to tell them: “We have faith in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you. Our God and your God are one, and we submit to Him,” (29:46).

    The “People of the Book” mentioned here certainly includes Jews and Christians, if not others. Therefore, the Qur’an makes it clear to them that “Our God and your God are one.” Similar statements may be found in other passages of the Qur’an. “He is our Lord and your Lord,” verse 2:139 decrees. “We have our deeds and you have your deeds.”

    Some Muslims might object to this by saying that Christians worship a Triune God and Muslims don’t. Well, that is indeed a major rift between the two faiths. But, arguably, this is a dispute over the NATURE of God. It does not mean Muslims and Christians worship separate gods.

    For Christians, the same argument – that the Doctrine of the Trinity makes us worshippers of different deities – may also make sense. However, again before rushing to a conclusion, they should answer another question: Do Christians and Jews also worship different deities? Because for Jews, the Doctrine of the Trinity is as unacceptable as it is to Muslims, and the God of Abraham is unmistakably defined by unity.

    So, in my humble view, unless Christians take a bluntly “Marcionist” view (which was an early “heresy” that condemned the Old Testament and its God as anti-Christian), they cannot abandon their place under the Abrahamic tent – a tent under which we Abrahamists often passionately disagree, and perhaps need more of the wisdom to agree to disagree.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/do-christians-and-muslims-worship-the-same-god.aspx?pageID=238&nid=94967

    “Fair Use For Education and Discussion Purposes”

    Loz :]

    Psalm 18:2
    The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.


    #99414
    Heather R
    Heather R
    Participant

    We most assuredly do NOT.

    Psalm 83:17-18 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: 18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #99419
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
    Participant

    Indeed, there is but only one God. In this sense we do worship the same God. But with regards to lip service, P.R. and appropriation there are many different Gods. Jehovah God is called the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob specifically, and for a pointed reason. Muslims seem to be offering “unholy fire” with regards to which, what, who, where and why they worship they worship! They also most vehemently deny the Son of God! As sons of Ismael they wage Jihad also with unholy fire, they state that their God is greater than the God of Israel and Christians. They like the angels of God, have left their first estate as well! They have also left the first and basic teachings of God. Which is LOVE! Much more could easily be said, but their deception speaks for itself. Likewise the claim of Mohammed’s assention was manufactured some 450 yrs after his death. As they have tried to replace Christ with Mohammed.

    Love & blessings…Tender Reed


    #99424
    timbers mom 238
    timbers mom 238
    Spectator

    “We worship the same god.” She, as a Christian, was referring to Muslims, and was expressing solidarity with Muslim women by donning a headscarf. But the theological basis she offered for this ecumenism did not go down well with her institution. Soon, Wheaton College informed her that she no longer was welcome to teach there.

    Excellent move by Wheaton College! She should definitely get the boot!

    Should religious colleges only employ professors with the “right doctrine?”

    Definitely!

    Please Lord Jesus come quickly and take your bride away. Amen!
    Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

    #99425
    kagnew
    kagnew
    Participant

    When I see comments like this I think of another comment that I read, it goes like this. “If your religion promotes killing non-believers, beating women, punishing rape victims, or selling your daughters as wives at 12…you’re not praying to the GOD above, you’re praying to the one below.” To me that says it all.



    #99428
    Zophim314
    Zophim314
    Participant

    Well lets see:

    The Muslim “god” requires the death of the believer to reach paradise or righteousness. Whereas our God died for us, in order to achieve these things by grace, through faith.

    Sure sounds like we are talking about polar opposites to me.

    #99438
    TakeMeHome
    TakeMeHome
    Participant

    NO! They do not worship the one and only true God. These are false teachings, these people are lost and deceived and need prayer. Jesus is God!, the Messiah, the Anointed one of God, King of Kings …The only one born in this world with two natures, God and and man sent for our Salvation, redemption. He shed his blood, died and was resurrected and now sits on the right hand of God.

    John 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    2 The same was in the beginning with God.

    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

    5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    10: He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

    11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

    14:4 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    Revelation 1: 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

    18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

    There is no common ground between believers in Jesus and Islam/ Chrislam is a deception being taught by false prophets and teachers.

    Have a blessed day everyone!

    #99441
    Miriam
    Miriam
    Participant

    I find his comments that Christians and Muslims may worship the same God because the concept of the Trinity is simply a dispute over the nature of God to be false. This is one of the reasons *why* we do not worship the same God–a being’s nature defines who that being is. So, the triune God would be entirely different from a monotheistic God. Believing that Jesus is God is considered the unforgivable sin in Islam, and yet, this is central to who God is…central to His nature. Further, to say that the God on the Old Testament is not the same as the one in the New is to miss all the signs and teachings in the Old, so I don’t buy the argument that Jews and Christians worship a different God. Some Jews would disagree, but that’s because of blindness and what they’ve been taught by their leaders, not because the two books reveal different deities.

    (Hope I’m making sense…very very tired at the moment.)

    Another interesting article about this that would be helpful for discussion is by Dr. Nabeel Qureshi, a former Muslim and now Christian: http://rzim.org/global-blog/do-muslims-and-christians-worship-the-same-god (quoted for educational and discussion purposes only).

    #99442
    His-own-Heart
    His-own-Heart
    Participant

    This is a complex issue and misses the heart of the matter IMO. It is not important whether we worship the same God. What’s important is whether or not we worship in the same way . For believers that way is Jesus Christ! Anyone can try to offer sacrifices and say they worship something. According to the flesh, anyone can worship God—anyone can in their own strength attempt to reach God. But it is not the flesh that God acknowledges.

    Jesus sets the record straight in his talk with the Samaritan woman. “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” (John 4:21-4)

    Muslims neither worship God in Spirit nor in Truth. The Bible is clear about this: God’s worshippers MUST worship in Spirit and in Truth. If you don’t worship in Spirit and in Truth,you don’t truly worship God. You falsely worship him. Indeed God has many false worshippers. These false worshippers don’t truly worship him but idols. Some people think they truly worship God but because they don’t know him, their worship is not accepted.

    Muslims are false worshippers of God while Christians are true worshippers. Muslims worship what they don’t know, while Christians worship what they do know. Yes we both worship God the Father but God only accepts Christians because only Christians believe in Christ. Jesus is the only way to know God. He is the way, the truth and the life. He is the true way that leads to Life. He is the only way to truly worship God. I think Tender Reed said it best; there is only One God but there are many idols. The devil is the father of all lies and often disguises himself as an angel of light. satan has fathered Islam as well as all the false religions of the world. Jesus rebuked the pharisees and told them they were of their father the devil.

    As for this professor, I”m not sure whether I agree or not with Wheaton’s decision. My approval depends on whether they investigated her beliefs in Christ. In short did they look into the heart of the matter? A lot of well meaning people say Christians and Muslims worship the same God. When they say this, I really think they are trying acknowledge there is a connection between Christians and Muslims. There is and it is simply that we have Abraham in common. However that’s where the similarities end. Christians are from the child of promise while Muslims are from the child of slavery. It’s fine to reach out to Muslims and show empathy toward them. It’s even ok to acknowledge our shared “natural” heritage. But it’s wrong to pretend we have the same religion. There are many differences between us, the most central being belief in Jesus. If this professor is implying Christian and Islamic beliefs are the same, she is horribly wrong. But if she’s only trying to acknowledge a common heritage, then I don’t think she should’ve been fired.

    "I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead." Phillip. 3:10-11

    #99450
    Heather R
    Heather R
    Participant

    It is not important whether we worship the same God. What’s important is whether or not we worship in the same way.

    I’m going to have to completely disagree with you on this one. The very heart of the issue is not the “how”. The very heart of the issue is the “who”. The greatest commandment, as given by Jesus:

    Matthew 22:36-38 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment.

    You’d likely be hard-pressed to find a Muslim that didn’t fit that paradigm, at least as concerns the “god” they worship. So if you take out the “who” of the argument, you’re left with the “how”, and that opens a can of worms that doesn’t need to be, nor should be, opened. It’s a path that shouldn’t even be open for discussion.

    I understand what you’re trying to say here, but I’m finding it hard to agree with all the reasoning being used to get to the point.

    Muslims are false worshippers of God…

    No, Muslims are worshippers of a false god. There is a HUGE difference.

    They do not serve nor believe in Jehovah. Jehovah and Allah are NOT the same. That’s why I posted the verse from Psalm 83:18 – Jehovah alone art most high over all the earth.

    “Most high” means above all others, which means there are others to be above… which means there is one True and at least one false… which means Jehovah and Allah are NOT the same.

    As for this professor, I”m not sure whether I agree or not with Wheaton’s decision. My approval depends on whether they investigated her beliefs in Christ.

    Might be a good idea to read II Corinthians 11…

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #99452
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
    Participant

    The answer to this question is best answered by another question: If Muslims and Christians worship the same God – then why would “god” command that one group massacre the other?

    He wouldn’t. For God is Love. He is not the author of “chaos” (which to think He orders the murder of His people by his people is chaos) but a God of order and He is the Prince of Peace.

    No. Islam is a religion from the pit of hell. To even imply that Christians and Muslims worship the same God is insulting – at best, downright heresy at worst.

    The Holy Bible – the Word of God. Has nothing in common with the koran. One needs only be literate to see there was two different “authors” For two vastly different books.

    #99453

    waragoodwarfare
    Participant

    Good morning,

    Clearly all Muslims are deceived. Certainly most religious Christians seem to be deceived too about a lot of things. I have noticed that so many who say they love God totally err on the side of mercy. They just can’t make informed judgments. We know that Jesus is coming back to judge as the King of kings and the Lord of Lords and very soon. The birth pangs are increasing….

    This trend to all come together in unity is bull. Jesus said he didn’t come the first time to unite but to divide. To force people to choose sides….

    If a Christian is into unity he or she needs to take a step back and reconsider. That is what the world leaders are trying to do. Break down nations using Muslim terrorists to bring in their one world government under the anti-christ.

    Thank God we have the blessed hope.

    Dave

    #99513
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
    Participant

    What would J.D. say?

    Love & blessings…Tender Reed


    #99514
    Heather R
    Heather R
    Participant

    What would J.D. say?

    Oh! I know!

    “Islam is a lie from the pit of hell.”

    :negative:

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #99515
    Melissa
    Melissa
    Participant

    The Bible says in Psalm 2:12 King James Bible
    Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

    Islam claims that God has no son.

    Also another thing that always comes to mind for me is the fact that the new Jerusalem has 12 gates representing the 12 tribes of Israel and also 12 foundations representing the 12 apostles. There is no mention of Islamic reorientation in the new Jerusalem.

    It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man. Psalm 118:8


    #99521
    TxThom
    TxThom
    Keymaster




    fair use for educational and discussion purposes
    http://adam4d.com/christians-muslims/

    I am convinced of this, that the One who began a good action among you will bring it to completion by the Day of the Messiah Jesus. Philippians 1:6



    #99526
    gobyebye
    gobyebye
    Participant

    God is not like Ms. Gladys, the society matron on a trans-Atlantic crossing.

    Ms. Gladys in her tennis outfit! The people said we love you, Ms. Gladys; you’re so trendy!
    Ms. Gladys in her cocktail dress! The people said we love you, Ms. Gladys; you’re so chic!
    Ms. Gladys in her dinner attire! The people said we love you, Ms. Gladys; you’re so elegant!
    So for the ball that evening, Ms. Gladys showed up in nothing!
    The people turned their heads and moved away.

    Jesus, the Son of God, hung naked on a cross for all to see.
    Let those who love the Lord, own their love.
    Let those offended, own their offense.
    Maranatha.

    #99527
    No Other Rock
    No Other Rock
    Moderator

    An Evaluation of Islam

    Compared to Christianity, Islam has some similarities but significant differences. Like Christianity, Islam is monotheistic. However, Muslims reject the Trinity—that God has revealed Himself as one in three Persons:

    The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    Muslims claim that Jesus was one of the most important prophets—not God’s Son. Islam asserts that Jesus, though born of a virgin, was created like Adam. Muslims do not believe Jesus died on the cross. They do not understand why Allah would allow His prophet Isa (the Islamic word for “Jesus”) to die a torturous death. Yet the Bible shows how the death of the perfect Son of God was essential to pay for the sins of believers (Isaiah 53:5-6; John 3:16; 14:6; 1 Peter 2:24).

    Islam teaches that the Qur’an is the final authority and the last revelation of Allah. The Bible, however, was completed in the first century with the Book of Revelation. The Bible warns against anyone adding to or subtracting from God’s Word (Deuteronomy 4:2; Proverbs 30:6; Galatians 1:6-12; Revelation 22:18). The Qur’an, as a claimed addition to God’s Word, directly disobeys God’s command.

    Muslims believe that paradise can be earned through keeping the Five Pillars. The Bible, in contrast, reveals that sinful man can never measure up to the holy God (Romans 3:23; 6:23). Only by God’s grace may sinners be saved through repentant faith in Jesus (Acts 20:21; Ephesians 2:8-9).

    Because of these essential differences and contradictions, Islam and Christianity cannot both be true. The Bible and Qur’an cannot both be God’s Word. The truth has eternal consequences.

    “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world” (1 John 4:1-4; see also John 3:35-36).

    Fair use for education or discussion purposes
    http://www.gotquestions.org/Islam.html

    I Am the Lord! Besides Me there is no Savior. For there is no other name under Heaven given among men by which we must be saved. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved!...For in him we live, and move, and have our being!

    #99529
    David R
    David R
    Moderator

    I’m finding it harder and harder to debate with people who lack a basic understanding of the definition of common words. Imagine that.

    Uh, no. We do not worship the same God. A person would have to be in need of electro-shock therapy to propose we do.

    Besides an unbridgeable chasm between the natures of YHWH and Allah, we should also consider the meaning of that word, “worship.” It means “to ascribe worthiness to” something.

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=worship

    If Christians ascribe worth to the God of the Bible, is it the same worth Muslims ascribe to Allah? Are you kidding? Of course not! Those who don’t understand the difference are intentionally blind, and there is likely little that can be done to reason with them.

    My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord;
    my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Psalm 84:2


    #99530

    lintski
    Participant

    It still comes down to the same question that Jesus asked Peter and the other disciples two thousand years ago…”But what about you…who do YOU say I am?”

    #99532
    No Other Rock
    No Other Rock
    Moderator

    Yes! Amen lintski!

    I Am the Lord! Besides Me there is no Savior. For there is no other name under Heaven given among men by which we must be saved. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved!...For in him we live, and move, and have our being!

    #99533
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
    Participant

    Point in fact. The Muslim and Isis issue speaks to the fact that we are in a deep spiritual battle over the whole Earth!! The sons of Ishmael would de-capitate Jew, Christians and any who would denigrate Mohammed! When did the prophet Mohammed become Allah, that his reputation has to be preserved at all costs. No personal scrutiny allowed!!! Perceived or otherwise and insult against Mohammed is treated as an insult to God himself. Cannot Allah be all powerful without radical extremismist and Mohammed?!

    Lastly, we see the hand of Satan behind all of this as we see the strategies of Satan being employed today, as recorded in the scriptures during the times of the Tribulation! There is no political or military fix, but rather spiritual. Progressives should really love and identify with radical Islamic tactics!

    Love & blessings…Tender Reed


    #99543
    No Other Rock
    No Other Rock
    Moderator

    Our Biblical Jesus vs…

    I Am the Lord! Besides Me there is no Savior. For there is no other name under Heaven given among men by which we must be saved. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved!...For in him we live, and move, and have our being!

    #99552
    His-own-Heart
    His-own-Heart
    Participant

    Dear Heather R,

    Thanks for commenting on my post. I appreciate your challenging me. I’ve thought about what you’ve said and I’ve changed my mind. Here was my prior logic or thinking process:

    As you may know, Muslims **think** they worship the God of Abraham. Their religion stems from the idea that Ishmael is the promised son, not Isaac. The whole “same God” issue can be confusing because Muslims claim to worship the very God that Christians do worship. The fact that “allah” simply means “God” in Arabic makes things more confusing.

    So when I first posted in this thread, even though I knew Islam and Christianity were different, I wasn’t sure if it was “wrong” to say Christians and Muslims worship the same God–because we both “say” we know the God of Abraham. But after praying about it, I’ve concluded that it doesn’t matter who Muslims **think** they worship. “Allah” is just plain different from the Christian God. Like some have posted, the easiest way to differentiate is by looking at Jesus (and the Trinity). Christians believe God is three in One, muslims think there is no Trinity. We believe Jesus is God, muslims do not. If we think Jesus is God, but muslims don’t, then its obvious we don’t serve the same person.

    Another way to think about is this:
    “Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. ” (1 John 2:23)

    Islam denies the son, so they have neither the Father nor the son, but just an empty idol. They refuse to believe the truth, so they worship a lie. Just like there is an anti-christ, Islam has an anti Jehovah and his name is “allah”.

    "I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead." Phillip. 3:10-11

    #99567
    cporter73
    cporter73
    Participant

    The easiest way to determine the truth is to compare what the Bible says about God, against what the Koran says about Allah: We know that God is without sin. it’s everywhere in scripture. God tells us it’s a sin to lie, and since he is sinless, he does not lie. (Forgive me if i am repeating what anyone else has said, I haven’t read through the entire thread) Now look at what the koran says about Allah:

    The Quran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents. For example, the Quran calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makr there is:

    But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

    Other texts that identify Allah as a makr include:

    Are they then secure from Allah’s deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah’s deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99

    So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50

    The quotes from the koran prove that we do not worship the same God.
    And as someone else mentioned, they deny that Jesus was the son of God.

    Revelation 22:12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.

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