Can We Lose Our Salvation?

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    cuger
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    Could someone help me understand then the falling away. Or the love grew cold in the end days. Some turned away. Is this just the statement that they were
    never saved used by believers that once saved always saved. That just seemed like a convenient answer. Please don’t misunderstand I’m just looking for truth not argument, I certainly don’t want to
    Affend any of you. I love reading your discussions.

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    David R
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    Could someone help me understand then the falling away. Or the love grew cold in the end days. Some turned away. Is this just the statement that they were
    never saved used by believers that once saved always saved. That just seemed like a convenient answer. Please don’t misunderstand I’m just looking for truth not argument, I certainly don’t want to
    Affend any of you. I love reading your discussions.

    Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2 Thessalonians 2:3

    The word translated as “falling away” is apostasia, literally “to stand away from.” Another way of saying it would be “departure.” There is one school of thought which holds that Paul is referring to our departure in the rapture of the Church.

    Nevertheless, if someone insists upon rendering it as a departure from the faith, there is nothing implied in the word which says a believer in Christ loses his salvation. It is certainly possible for nominal Christians to turn away from the teachings of scripture, and this has been true from the beginning.

    The love of many will grow cold in the last days, we are informed. There is nothing which says they were committed followers of Christ. Yet even the church at Ephesus was described as having left their first love.

    Jesus warned that not everyone who says to Him, “Lord, Lord” would enter the kingdom of heaven. These are people who lacked true saving faith, and practiced evil. Sometimes, only God knows the condition of the heart.

    My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord;
    my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Psalm 84:2


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    Black Prince
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    If I may add…

    I assume the falling away you meant is the one found in the epistle to the Thessalonians, the love waxing cold in the book of Matthew. I am not sure about the turning away – are you referring to the disciples who turned away from Christ due to what he said? Each of these have quite different contexts – you cannot just pull out verses and group them. I guess the third one, those who turned away from Christ after hearing him, fits what I previously posted: they followed Christ but they never really understood or knew him.

    The falling away in the Thessalonian epistle is quite vague and even controversial. If we refer to it as falling away from faith – fitting that in the two Thessalonian epistles is odd. It seems out of context. But if you look at the other definition of falling away… it is parallel to the Rapture. So which would you choose? I’m inclined on the latter because the first Thessalonian epistle clearly talks about the Rapture.

    On the love waxing cold – it is within the context of the end times and not about salvation. Mankind was created in the image of God. Like God we were created to love and that remains true up to now regardless if you are saved or lost. But as sin grows, the love within many will wax cold. We may be affected as well but we, saints, will never lose the love of God. We are sealed.

    I hope this clarifies things a bit. 🙂

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    Heather R
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    Could someone help me understand then the falling away.

    The falling away in the Thessalonian epistle is quite vague and even controversial. If we refer to it as falling away from faith – fitting that in the two Thessalonian epistles is odd. It seems out of context. But if you look at the other definition of falling away… it is parallel to the Rapture. So which would you choose? I’m inclined on the latter because the first Thessalonian epistle clearly talks about the Rapture.

    Indeed. I agree with this entire series of statements. There is no context in either I or II Thessalonians for a falling away from the faith. The first epistle is all about the promotion of Godly living for the day when they would meet Christ face-to-face and go through the Bema. Chapter 4 talks about that specific event: the rapture. Chapter 5 talks about them having no need to know the timing of the Day of the Lord – Second Coming – because it would not have pertained to them. They would have been removed at the rapture and thus exempt from everything that occurred after that point on earth. It’s also a detail of how they are supposed to live until the Lord comes for them at the rapture.

    The second letter is clarifying/reminding them of what Paul had already told them about the rapture and Second Coming. Thus, the bulk of II Thessalonians 2 is clearing up the fact that the rapture occurs before the Day of the Lord, since those who had visited the Thessalonians were trying to tell them the rapture had already occurred and they were in the Tribulation. Paul then goes on to outline the very definitive sequence of events – “remember I told you these things?” that will occur: rapture, revelation of AC, start of Tribulation.

    There is no context wherein a “falling away from the faith” is supported in these passages.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
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