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                        <title>RE: When we think not...</title>
                        <link>https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/when-we-think-not/paged/3/#post-22776</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Very good. Thanks, TxThom. :good:]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Very good. Thanks, TxThom. :good:]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/">Main Forum</category>                        <dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: When we think not...</title>
                        <link>https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/when-we-think-not/paged/3/#post-22775</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Pre-wrath vs Pre-Trib conversations reminds me of Zechariah chapters 1 &amp; 6 and how the relate to the Revelation of the Lord - &quot;

7 On the twenty-fourth day of the eleventh month, which i...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Pre-wrath vs Pre-Trib conversations reminds me of Zechariah chapters 1 &amp; 6 and how the relate to the Revelation of the Lord - "

7 On the twenty-fourth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Shebat, in the second year of Darius, the word of the Lord came to Zechariah the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet: 8 I saw by night, and behold, a man riding on a red horse, and it stood among the myrtle trees in the hollow; and behind him were horses: red, sorrel, and white. 9 Then I said, “My lord, what are these?” So the angel who talked with me said to me, “I will show you what they are.”

10 And the man who stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, “These are the ones whom the Lord has sent to walk to and fro throughout the earth.”

11 So they answered the Angel of the Lord, who stood among the myrtle trees, and said, “We have walked to and fro throughout the earth, and behold, all the earth is resting quietly.” Zech 1

6 Then I turned and raised my eyes and looked, and behold, four chariots were coming from between two mountains, and the mountains were mountains of bronze. 2 With the first chariot were red horses, with the second chariot black horses, 3 with the third chariot white horses, and with the fourth chariot dappled horses—strong steeds. 4 Then I answered and said to the angel who talked with me, “What are these, my lord?”

5 And the angel answered and said to me, “These are four spirits of heaven, who go out from their station before the Lord of all the earth. 6 The one with the black horses is going to the north country, the white are going after them, and the dappled are going toward the south country.” 7 Then the strong steeds went out, eager to go, that they might walk to and fro throughout the earth. And He said, “Go, walk to and fro throughout the earth.” So they walked to and fro throughout the earth. Zech 6

And in Revelation 6: "6 Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals; and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, “Come and see.” 2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse." The Behold! part wasn't the rider, it was the horse. They are the Lord's servants who have a global range. And it was the Lord that releases them in times of peace, and in times of wrath. Which means that the opening of the seals and the sending forth of the horses are the direct result of the Lord's actions and therefor represent His Wrath being poured out from the beginning of Daniel's 70th week, or at least from the opening of the seals.
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                        <title>RE: When we think not...</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Well, I didn&#039;t see this post until after making the edits. :wacko:]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Well, I didn't see this post until after making the edits. :wacko:]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: When we think not...</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2021 16:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks, Gratefulforgrace. :)

Yes, as Pre-Trib believers, we are definitely pre-wrath. It is clear that whole Tribulation is the wrath of God. :)

We reject the 3/4ers through the Tribulatio...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Thanks, Gratefulforgrace. :)

Yes, as Pre-Trib believers, we are definitely pre-wrath. It is clear that whole Tribulation is the wrath of God. :)

We reject the 3/4ers through the Tribulation "pre-wrath" Rapture as put forth by Robert Van Campen a few decades ago.

Here is an excellent article on the subject from Rapture Ready:

https://www.raptureready.com/faq-did-robert-van-kampen-develop-his-own-false-doctrine-about-the-rapture/]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: When we think not...</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2021 16:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[i guess my actual point i didn&#039;t explain well was that in line with this thread &quot;when we think not&quot;, anything other than pre-Trib would not fit...if Rapture was in middle of Trib, anyone cou...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[i guess my actual point i didn't explain well was that in line with this thread "when we think not", anything other than pre-Trib would not fit...if Rapture was in middle of Trib, anyone could know when it would be once the AC was revealed and confirming the peace treaty to start the Tribulation period of 7 years (isn't it actually a little less cuz God shortens it?) so you'd look for the 3 1/2 year point...if Rapture was end of the Trib you'd wait for the end of the 7 years and know right when that is...pre-Trib you can't know exact time, only you can see Trib stuff building on the horizon...in the making...around the corner...coming....so you can know it's the season, getting close...unless God causes a skidding hault and u-turn, it's like you can almost taste the Rapture it's so close...but the Rapture's exact time we can't know for certain and if most Christians are looking for it to be in the middle or end of the Tribulation or not at all, then a Pre-Trib Rapture - no matter when it is- will be when most Christians think not!

clear as mud, maybe...that's why i say research it for anyone wanting to understand differences

and yes, pre-trib vs pre-wrath i think i actually used to think were the same becuz i hadn't read about pre-wrath and had just gone by the name and already knew that the Trib is all going to include the Lord's wrath &amp; that's a huge reason why we know we won't be here for it becuz Jesus took the wrath we deserve for us and since we accepted His offer of pardon we are declared not guilty and set free from the punishment that was due us- the wages of our sins- death (separation from God eternally and dead spiritually)]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: When we think not...</title>
                        <link>https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/when-we-think-not/paged/2/#post-22743</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2021 14:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hello Dogg One and Arthur, and also gratefulforgrace (below), I could technically remove the post or delete the link but in the interest of honest and open fellowship and expression of views...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Hello Dogg One and Arthur, and also gratefulforgrace (below), I could technically remove the post or delete the link but in the interest of honest and open fellowship and expression of views on RITA Now and censorship ability and abuse being what it is globally, let me say two things.

1 - Dogg One may have misread even the title of the link.  So I would like to encourage him as Arthur did, to say what he truly believes.

2 - Fellowship and unity here are more important than risking some unsuspecting seeker / lurker from being led astray by a pre-wrath doctrine for which this forum has no acceptance.  The pre-trib ground rule we have, I suppose and if so I agree with, was codified to avoid the adverse negativity.

So let's dialogue a bit more.  Okay?

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                        <title>RE: When we think not...</title>
                        <link>https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/when-we-think-not/paged/2/#post-22718</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2021 23:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[(dogg one- i didn&#039;t look at link &amp; it&#039;s nice of you to want to share, but to clarify, i think...if i remember/understand correctly...pre-wrath vs pre-trib is cuz they say wrath is only a...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[(dogg one- i didn't look at link &amp; it's nice of you to want to share, but to clarify, i think...if i remember/understand correctly...pre-wrath vs pre-trib is cuz they say wrath is only after first half of trib, but actually the <strong>whole</strong> Tribulation period involves God's wrath poured out on unrepentant evil and involves a progression of intensity in hopes that man will repent and turn to Him humbly with godly sorrow and be rescued from their sin and it's consequences of hell...it's all a period of Jacob's Trouble i think it's called in OT...you'd have to look into for more accurate info on the differences etc.)]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: When we think not...</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2021 23:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[After reading more after clicking on that link, it definitely is a Pre-Wrath website.

Just for your information, forum posting rules do not allow for this. This is a Pre-Trib website only.
...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[After reading more after clicking on that link, it definitely is a Pre-Wrath website.

Just for your information, forum posting rules do not allow for this. This is a Pre-Trib website only.

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                        <title>RE: When we think not...</title>
                        <link>https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/when-we-think-not/#post-22709</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2021 15:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Uhhhh...You say that this is an excellent study of the Pre Trib Rapture but that seems to be a Pre Wrath website?

Are you a pre wrath believer?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Uhhhh...You say that this is an excellent study of the Pre Trib Rapture but that seems to be a Pre Wrath website?

Are you a pre wrath believer?]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: When we think not...</title>
                        <link>https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/when-we-think-not/#post-22693</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2021 00:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an excellent study on the pre-trib rapture...

{MOD EDIT}

You posted a Pre wrath website and as such is not allowed on this forum. Please read and follow Rule #5

5. This is a Pre-tr...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Here's an excellent study on the pre-trib rapture...

{MOD EDIT}

You posted a Pre wrath website and as such is not allowed on this forum. Please read and follow Rule #5

5. This is a Pre-tribulation Rapture group and <strong>will not allow other beliefs such as Post-trib or Pre-Wrath views.</strong>]]></content:encoded>
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