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                        <title>RE: My sister has been having nightly dreams about how near the rapture is!</title>
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                        <description><![CDATA[Tithes and offerings in the day was calculated to compromise 33.3% of total income per year!  Welfare states controlled by governments was not an option!  TR]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Tithes and offerings in the day was calculated to compromise 33.3% of total income per year!  Welfare states controlled by governments was not an option!  TR]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: My sister has been having nightly dreams about how near the rapture is!</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2022 13:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[This given as a form of national aid both providing for &quot;refuge&quot; cities and feeding of the tribe of Levi which could hold no property personally!  And as someone has rightly pointed out, gen...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[This given as a form of national aid both providing for "refuge" cities and feeding of the tribe of Levi which could hold no property personally!  And as someone has rightly pointed out, gentiles were never instructed to build churches, cathedrals, or any house of worship!  As the only house of worship was dedicated to the Lord.  Schools of teaching were an option for the Gentiles!

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                        <title>RE: My sister has been having nightly dreams about how near the rapture is!</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2022 12:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[The fabricated pillars of proof text for teaching tithing is faulty, while at the same time identifying this as a Jewish tradition!  My wife and both have an open hand and give as the spirit...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[The fabricated pillars of proof text for teaching tithing is faulty, while at the same time identifying this as a Jewish tradition!  My wife and both have an open hand and give as the spirit directs!  God honors tithing when it is called for by Him!

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                        <title>RE: My sister has been having nightly dreams about how near the rapture is!</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2022 02:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi Geri, what brought this on was that the pastor of this Bible church I attend in the KC area gave a sermon last Sunday based on a couple of verses in Proverbs and used it for a sermon on h...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Hi Geri, what brought this on was that the pastor of this Bible church I attend in the KC area gave a sermon last Sunday based on a couple of verses in Proverbs and used it for a sermon on how we all need to tithe. I guess because of COVID the don't pass the basket, instead they have a box in the rear of the sanctuary labeled "Tithes and Offerings." This is a rather large church and I only saw one person drop anything in this box. I have spent some time reflecting on whether to keep going to this church and I have decided to look for another church.  This pastor is kind of a control freak.  I have a Bible and I don't want to be spoon-fed what to believe just because this pastor says so. (Acts 17:10,11)

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                        <title>RE: My sister has been having nightly dreams about how near the rapture is!</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2022 00:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I understand, Phil.  Well, I drew the line when the deacons of that Massachusett’s church were asking for money to buy the pastor a brand new designer suit each year AND to send the pastor’s...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I understand, Phil.  Well, I drew the line when the deacons of that Massachusett’s church were asking for money to buy the pastor a brand new designer suit each year AND to send the pastor’s family on a vacation trip each spring.  I did resent the deacon coming up to me asking for additional money for that … one approached me and said did you get our note?  I said yes, and I don’t believe in giving for that cause so he looked down on me for not participating.

Meanwhile my parents were very kind to many in that church.  They wanted the school teachers and pastor and assistant pastor (pastor’s son) families to have a nice Christmas so they asked for the names of the full time workers since they knew they didn’t get paid that well.  My parents gave out Christmas cards with checks so they could buy gifts for their families.  The first year they were all grateful and gave them thank you notes or thanked them in person.  But after that … the ungratefulness set in and they stopped with the “thank you”.   She approached one family and asked if they received the Christmas card?  Their response was yep. B-)  nothing else. :mdrmdr:    Soooo my parents eventually stop giving out those Christmas “love gifts” and that same person who was rude in their response the year prior had the nerve to say the next year …we didn’t get a Christmas card from you.  My mom’s response was … well we didn’t get a thank you.

It was not always pleasant environment attending there.  After my parents gave out gifts to the Assistant pastor family (wedding and all the baby showers, etc)  they were singing a song my mom liked and she asked them for a copy of the sheet music so she could learn it on her violin.  Their answer was we can’t do that “its copyrighted”.  So she asked what is the name of the song and where did they buy it?  Guess what … the sheet music came to $1.50 and they were too cheap to buy it for her?

Then when my mom got sick with cancer … someone in the church took upon themselves to make a DVD of a Christmas recital for my mom to view … she never asked for it  AND to top it off they wanted the DVD back.  Well … my mom never got it then they accused her of keeping it and wanted to drive over to our house and “look” for it.  I told them we looked everywhere and its not here … she never received it and I was firm with don’t bother showing up.  Then 3 years later mystery solved of the missing DVD … I was cleaning out my dad’s vehicle and it was in between the car seats.  He was going thru beginning stages of dementia at the time and someone gave him the DVD but it just stayed in the vehicle that whole time. So I made sure it went back to the church with a note … my mom never saw it … it was left in my dad’s car the entire time. :mdrmdr:

Then the last straw was when my dad was in rehab the pastor visited him and left a “gift”.  When I arrived I saw the book it was about “why you need to tithe” 🙄  I said dad who visited you?  I just thought that took a lot of nerve because we stopped attending that church.  I wanted to toss out that book at the rehab center but then thought he probably ask for that book back too, so I better not.

So I can understand what you’re saying Phil.  Its not all rosy attending church and dealing with certain people.

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                        <title>RE: My sister has been having nightly dreams about how near the rapture is!</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 18:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Geri, I am glad tithing is a choice that is meaningful to you. My objection is when tithing is presented as a one-size-fits-all command for all saved believers, and people are compelled by t...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Geri, I am glad tithing is a choice that is meaningful to you. My objection is when tithing is presented as a one-size-fits-all command for all saved believers, and people are compelled by their pastors to obey some sort of rule to tithe.  .

Truth be told, if you have been around evangelical Bible churches as long as I have you know very few members, who say they believe in tithing, actually do tithe.  It's kind or lip service; they say they believe in tithing, but many of them never do or only do it once in a while.

Phil]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: My sister has been having nightly dreams about how near the rapture is!</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[“Once SEALED always saved” – since in truth that is why we are once saved always saved because once the Holy Spirit comes to live in us, He will not depart.  We might grieve Him a little, or...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<em>“Once SEALED always saved” – since in truth that is why we are once saved always saved because once the Holy Spirit comes to live in us, He will not depart.  We might grieve Him a little, <strong>or sometimes a lot</strong>, but He will not depart and because of that we are sealed for redemption and will always be saved. </em>

I agree with this and I highlighted "a lot" in bold because I go through periods where I feel my sin nature heavy on me and think that I just cannot be saved with a heart this sinful <em>but</em> it is in the grieving of the Holy Spirit that I realize that I am saved because He will have had enough of it and will snap me right out of my own way. :yes:]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: My sister has been having nightly dreams about how near the rapture is!</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks Derrick.  &quot;Lordship Salvation&quot; is the false teachings that Paul condemns in Galatians, that is, that a person must not only trust Christ as his Savior but also keep the Law and Comman...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Thanks Derrick.  "Lordship Salvation" is the false teachings that Paul condemns in Galatians, that is, that a person must not only trust Christ as his Savior but also keep the Law and Commandments to be saved.  There is nothing new about LS; Its origins come from Calvinism, which insists that a believer must also persevere to make good on his salvation or he is not really saved.  Some may be shocked, but even Billy Graham preached lordship Salvation. (Listen to his crusades if you don't believe me)  To the LS teachers simply believing the gospel of your salvation and having eternal security is just too simple and they see this as a "license to sin." So they add living a Christian life as an additional requirement to be saved. They should read Paul's emphatic warning to those who add to the gospel of grace alone in Galatians 1:6-9)

As for the Christian believers, God's law of love and His Commandments are written on our hearts by the Holy Spirit to guide us. They are not written on tablets of stone, but on our fleshly hearts. (See 2 Cor 3)

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                        <title>RE: My sister has been having nightly dreams about how near the rapture is!</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I believe tithing is a choice and if you give 10% of our gross earnings, the Lord does indeed bless those who give. :yes:

I know of a few who didn’t tithe at all and they struggled big time...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I believe tithing is a choice and if you give 10% of our gross earnings, the Lord does indeed bless those who give. :yes:

I know of a few who didn’t tithe at all and they struggled big time making ends meet and had many hardships.  I asked them have they considered tithing?  They replied … what, are you crazy? No, they can’t afford to dish out extra money for that.  I urged them to try it and watch the Lord work miracles but they refused and continued to struggle and complain and complain. Our church in NJ was able to support their missionaries by the tithes that came in but the little church in Massachusetts we used to attend didn’t have the funds and would ask each fall for additional promise donations to support their missionaries.  I felt the Lord wanting me to give.  Then when both my parents died, I had to quickly find a smaller place to live … the place I wanted .. I was short the amount of money I had given to the missionary tithes for the past 10 years.  So I prayed for the Lord’s help and He arranged it so the place I bought was discounted that same amount of missionary tithe money plus an additional $1,000 reduction.  Coincidence?  I was praising the Lord for His provision … He does take care of those who are obedient and generous in giving.

I don’t look down on people who don’t give … it is a choice … I only encourage people to give if they can and watch the Lord work miracles in their lives.  You are also laying up treasures in heaven by giving as well.  Its a win/win investment situation.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: My sister has been having nightly dreams about how near the rapture is!</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 08:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi Phil, I must admit I am really not all that familiar with the Lordship Salvation teaching, but I fully agree there is no room to bind sealed believers under the Law of Moses - but I think...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Hi Phil, I must admit I am really not all that familiar with the Lordship Salvation teaching, but I fully agree there is no room to bind sealed believers under the Law of Moses - but I think there is a place in the believers life for the Law of Moses and I think sometimes there is a great deal of confusion on the matter so let me be absolutely clear on my position lest anyone misunderstand me or misconstrue what I am about to say.

There is absolutely NO VALUE to the Law of Moses for SALVATION - anyone who teaches that is a heretic and has defiled the sacrifice of Christ.

However, too often I think this causes most to toss the Law of Moses in the garbage bin as useless.  I think this is equally heretical in its own right.

My opinion after diligently studying the Word for many years is that the best place for the Law of Moses is as a “moral compass” for believers.  I came to this conclusion because we know that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever - so I had to conclude that since He is One with the Father, indeed He gave that law to Moses which expresses His perfect will.  We also know that God is no “respect or of persons” - So this caused me to wonder, why would He make one law for Israel and lave the rest of the Gentile world to their own devices or “Noahide” laws (another heresy).

So the long and short of it for me became this - the 4 requirements given in acts were basic requirements for Gentiles to enter fellowship in the church  (do not fornicate, do not worship idols, do not eat things strangled or with blood) - but do not murder, murder, steal, lie are not included in that list and yet we know we are still bound by those things.  So I think the Law of Moses is an extended moral compass which gives the believer a framework for righteous acts which mirror the  character of Christ and will earn us REWARDS in heaven NOT SALVATION.

But we all know we cannot keep all of it perfectly, so the Holy Spirit guides us as to how to follow this “moral compass”. Some follow it more closely and other less so, but as long as we are not judging one another or telling a fellow believer you must keep the “law” exactly as I do we will not fall into the trap of legalism.

I totally agree, this means we are not bound by the laws of tithing, but if the Holy Spirit leads us to we will observe the law of the tithe, or perhaps some will give more, or perhaps the Spirit says its ok, depending on your circumstance, to give less - as long as it is given with love and joy towards God.

When I had a congregation years ago I used to try to explain it this way, Christ came to do away with the curse of the Law, but He never came to do away with the BLESSINGS of the Law and there are many blessings still available in keeping the Law, if we choose to keep them of our own accord out of a desire to be obedient to God’s perfect will our of a love and gratitude for Him and a desire to lay up rewards in heaven.

I hope I didn’t stir up a hornets nest because I know that this subject can cause quite a controversy - but I also hope I was clear enough so everyone knows my position and no one brands me a legalist in any way because clearly we are only SAVED by grace through faith, but so many get hurt in churches because of the misunderstanding of what the law really is, still a moral compass that we have available to seek the Holy Spirit’s guidance and direction on.  I think this is what the scripture probably means “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling” - we all get saved the same way, but then we all walk our own individual walk as we live out our faith.]]></content:encoded>
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