Amazing Rapture Facts - Main Forum https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/ Rapture In The Air Now Discussion Board en-US Sat, 06 Jun 2026 22:11:51 +0000 wpForo 60 RE: Amazing Rapture Facts https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/13/#post-12488 Mon, 02 Mar 2020 16:23:45 +0000 Main Forum tenderreed https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/13/#post-12488 RE: Amazing Rapture Facts https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/13/#post-12486 Mon, 02 Mar 2020 16:16:18 +0000 lights burning; 36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.  Luke 12:35-37 This also mentions a reception of the Bridegroom after the wedding.  We should examine the parable of the ten virgins from a 1st century perspective.  Their customs were different from ours.  ]]> Main Forum David W. Roche https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/13/#post-12486 RE: Amazing Rapture Facts https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/13/#post-12485 Mon, 02 Mar 2020 16:11:34 +0000 Main Forum tenderreed https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/13/#post-12485 RE: Amazing Rapture Facts https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/12/#post-12483 Mon, 02 Mar 2020 15:49:19 +0000 Main Forum Geri7 https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/12/#post-12483 RE: Amazing Rapture Facts https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/12/#post-12481 Mon, 02 Mar 2020 15:12:35 +0000 Main Forum tenderreed https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/12/#post-12481 RE: Amazing Rapture Facts https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/12/#post-12478 Mon, 02 Mar 2020 14:49:05 +0000 Main Forum David W. Roche https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/12/#post-12478 RE: Amazing Rapture Facts https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/12/#post-12474 Mon, 02 Mar 2020 13:55:09 +0000 city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.” In Revelation 21:9-10, still talking about the eternal state, the bride, the Lamb's wife is who dwells in this marvelous city: Revelation 21:9-10 New King James Version (NKJV) The New Jerusalem 9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me, saying, “Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, In Revelation 22 we see that the throne of God and of the Lamb are in the city, New Jerusalem, and the river of life comes from their throne. In contrast, during the millennium, Jesus is ruling from earthly Jerusalem, the site He rules from is "in the tabernacle of David". In the millennium there will still be a need to seek justice. Isaiah 16:5 - millennium In mercy the throne will be established; And One will sit on it in truth, in the tabernacle of David, Judging and seeking justice and hastening righteousness.” Revelation 22 - eternal state The River of Life - 22 And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. The throne of God and river of life and tree of life are not in earthly Jerusalem in the millennium, they are in New Jerusalem that descends when the new heaven and new earth are created. So why does it say that the nations will walk by its light and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it?-Rev 21:24-26 These cannot be unsaved kings, because nothing unclean can enter it- Rev 21:27.  These must be saved peoples who have been accounted worthy to not only be "kings", but are worthy to enter the city, and this verse hints that there will be nation groupings on the new earth that God creates. But the bride the Lamb's wife is dwelling in the city, not just entering it or visiting it with gifts. During the millennial reign, there is still sun and moon, but in the eternal state where New Jerusalem is brought down, there is no more sun and moon: Isaiah 30:25-26 - at the second advent, millennial reign then established 25 There will be on every high mountain And on every high hill Rivers and streams of waters, In the day of the great slaughter, When the towers fall. 26 Moreover the light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, And the light of the sun will be sevenfold, As the light of seven days, In the day that the Lord binds up the bruise of His people And heals the stroke of their wound. Revelation 21:23 - Eternal state 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. Revelation 22:5 - Eternal state 5 There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever. It's going to be wonderful!    ]]> Main Forum regina https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/12/#post-12474 RE: Amazing Rapture Facts https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/12/#post-12473 Mon, 02 Mar 2020 13:47:56 +0000 Main Forum tenderreed https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/12/#post-12473 RE: Amazing Rapture Facts https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/11/#post-12472 Mon, 02 Mar 2020 13:00:02 +0000 Mark 13:20. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s SAKE, whom HE hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. The elect here is not the Church.  It is the nation of Israel that has to be brought into belief in their Messiah, Jesus Christ. Has the Church been chosen?  Certainly.  I have no problem with identifying anyone who is in Christ as being one of the "elect."  But you miss the point that in that time frame, the "elect" being referred to are those who have been appointed to salvation during the Tribulation.  The Church has already been taken out and God is dealing with the nation of Israel.  Just because the same word is used to describe believers does not indicate they are the same group. One of the worst methods of sophistry is to seize upon a word used in the Bible and try to wring an interpretation out of it based entirely on the recurrence of the same word used elsewhere.  We cannot ignore context! There are indeed times when the careful analysis of a word can be enlightening.  It can come down to a matter of opinion as to whether the use of a particular word includes or excludes a certain group of people, and I want to be fair about things. https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/who-are-the-elect/
Q Some Christians are saying Jews are the “elect”; I know they are God’s chosen people. Question is… Who exactly are the “elect”? Are Christians, born-again believers part of the “elect” as well? A In both the Old and New Testaments, the word elect means chosen. In Old Testament times, the elect were God’s Chosen people, the Jews (Isaiah 45:4). During this age, the Church is God’s elect (1 Peter 1:1), and after the Church is gone Tribulation believers will be His elect. (Matt. 24:22) In the Millennium, Israel will once again be called God’s elect (Isaiah 65:22)
This is a position I agree with.  Your statement that the elect in Matthew 24 must be "the Bride" is not backed up with sufficient evidence, and I view it as an error.
The ELECT, or CHOSEN are the BRIDE/5 WISE Virgins, the 5 FOOLISH were REJECTED – Matt.25:12. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know YOU not. 13. Watch therefore, for YE know NEITHER the day NOR the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Yes, the five wise virgins are among the elect.  But the five virgins are NOT the Bride!  They belong to the reception party who greet the Bridegroom and the Bride upon their return from having spent seven days in the wedding chamber. https://gracethrufaith.com/topical-studies/parables/the-parable-of-the-ten-virgins/
13. Watch therefore, for YE know NEITHER the day NOR the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. This BRIDE was ISRAEL, and NOT the JEWS. – Yes, Jesus came as a JEW, but the BRIDE is the WOMAN who EXPECTS (Pregnant with Child) Jesus to take HER to the FATHER’S House.
No, no, no.  The Bride is depicted as a virgin, not someone who is pregnant and waiting to be taken to the Father's House.  That isn't the way it works in the Biblical model. You are confusing images.  The woman in Revelation 12 is most definitely NOT the Church.  It clearly is the remnant of the nation of Israel, as can be seen by comparing the passage in Matthew 24. 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:  Matthew 24:16
This WOMAN (All ISRAEL, Not JEWS) is PERSECUTED for 42Months – BEFORE the 42Months of “BEAST” World Government. Rev.11:2. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty two months.  –
Stop this allegorical nonsense, Olaf!  First, in context, yes the Holy City is absolutely old Jerusalem.  You cannot twist scripture into making this about the Church being persecuted.  And the Woman, Israel - yes, believing Jews - is persecuted during the final 42 months, not the first 42 months.  It is absurd to make it say otherwise, as the Woman is delivered from Bosrah by the Messiah at the conclusion of the Tribulation, when Armageddon takes place. I can see what you are doing in your posts.  Your are sadly mistaken on these matters, as you are suggesting the Church will be here for the first 42 months of the Tribulation.  If you persist in posting these errors, the posts will be removed, as this is a pre-tribulation group and we will not allow posts which promote "pre-wrath" interpretations.  The Church has no part in the 70th week of Daniel.
JOHN is NOW writing ONLY about the BRIDE who is DOWNTRODDEN. Rev.21:2. And I John saw the HOLY CITY, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Rev.3:12. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and my new name. PROBLEM!! in NEW Jerusalem, – …Rev.21:22. And I saw NO TEMPLE therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. Obviously, the NEW Jerusalem is NO LONGER a piece of REAL ESTATE, but OVERCOMERS!
New Jerusalem is truly a literal city, and not a figure of speech for the Church. 9By faith he dwelt in the promised land as a stranger in a foreign country. He lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.    Hebrews 11:9-10 This allegorical interpretation goes back to St. Augustine and it is a dangerous perversion of Biblical meaning.  For one thing, you don't measure an allegory.  The entire method renders the clear understanding of language meaningless. …25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present-day Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.  Galatians 4:25 This is an example of legitimate Biblical allegory.  It should be noted that Mount Sinai is a literal mountain, just as present-day Jerusalem is a literal city, and New Jerusalem is a literal city in heaven.  There is an allegory applied there, based upon an actual place, not a figurative symbol of the Church.
The WOMAN is the 144,000 REDEEMED from EARTH to a PLACE Prepared!
Again, you are wrong.  We are never told the 144,000 from the 12 tribes are taken into the wilderness.
John 14:3. And if I go and PREPARE a PLACE for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, ye may be also. Rev.12:6. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a PLACE PREPARED of God, that they should feed her THERE a thousand two hundred threescore days.
You are really off-base to say that the promise of Jesus to receive us unto Himself is explained by the Woman fleeing into the wilderness for 1,260 days.  Again, you are drawing that conclusion based upon two words, "prepare" and "place."  That is really a slip-shod method of interpretation, and only generates confusion. I'm not even going to comment on the remainder of your post, as it is based upon the same "Alice in Wonderland/Humpty Dumpty" (means whatever I say, just because) random interpretation.  That is known as "eisegesis." Eisegesis: the interpretation of a text (as of the Bible) by reading into it one's own ideas Don't do that.  If you persist in this method of substitution to suit your preferences, the posts will be removed promptly.    ]]> Main Forum David W. Roche https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/11/#post-12472 RE: Amazing Rapture Facts https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/11/#post-12471 Mon, 02 Mar 2020 09:12:04 +0000 before Pentecost and those who get saved after the rapture during the tribulation time are not part of the church (Bride of Christ) instead they are the Wife of God.  They will be the Guests at the heavenly wedding ceremony and at the feast banquet celebration. The Parable of the 10 virgins - 5 had oil because they were saved and the Holy Spirit was living inside of them but the other 5 were not believers ... yet they were fellowshipping with the saved virgins just like in Church today and on Christian forum boards there are many unsaved that hang out with the Christians. This is why they were left out (not ready) when the bridegroom came, they were not truly saved/not ready for the marriage ceremony in heaven ... so the door was shut. And they were saying “Lord, Lord, open to us. But He answered and said, Very I say unto you, I know you not.”  The same applies at the Great White Throne Judgment ... “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” The wedding for the church (bride of Christ) takes place in heaven and the honeymoon will last 7 years while chaos unfolds on the earth. God is not through with His chosen people, the Jews ... the 7 year tribulation is the time of Jacob’s trouble ... not the church.  Many Jews will have their eyes open under the ministry of the 144,000 (Jewish virgin men) and the 2 witnesses.   A great revival happens after the rapture ... for both the Jews and the Gentiles.  Revelation 7 is all about the tribulation saints who were martyred for their faith and are seen in heaven.  Again the church was raptured out prior to this scene (Revelation 4:1 is pre-trib).  So the Revelation 7 crowd you read about is not the church but the tribulation saints. Interesting about Rev. 3:12  Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God,…   I will be studying this further.  Thanks.]]> Main Forum Geri7 https://raptureintheairnow.com/community/main-forum/amazing-rapture-facts/paged/11/#post-12471