some explain me what happens at death please?
what happens to our consciousness/memories/characteristics/personality/ ect? does it cease to exist after death or does your spirit take them with it when it returns back to god?
From what i gather , our bodies rest in the grave until christ comes back for the resurrection where are bodies are transform into spirit bodies and then we have the white throne judgment.
but i try to understand what happen to our spirit our intellect our consciousness our memories of earth life & relationships ect when we die and our bodies rest in the grave?
Do our spirit be conscious in some other spirit realm, or do we just become dormant in spirit sleep awaiting christs return for our resurrection?
this question be on my mind constantly ever since i lose my best freind a few months ago to cancer at young age in mid 20's... I miss him soo much..
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some explain me what happens at death please?
Immediately after death our soul/spirit is taken to Heaven or Hell (temporal). Our soul is who we are, like you said, our personality won't change. We'll still remember our loved ones/relatives and friends.
I think those who have died really young will grow up to the 'eternal' age in Heaven. Some say it's around 30yrs old. I think those who died at an old age e.g. 80 will look like they did when they were in the their 30's (depends if they want to stay the same age, God does give people the desires of their hearts)
When the Rapture happens, the bodies of the believers who have passed on will reunite will their spirit/soul into a glorified body. The believers who are alive will also have glorified bodies. These glorified bodies will be like the Lords after His resurrection. People could touch Him, He could eat yet he could walk through walls etc. This happens "in a twinkling of an eye" as Paul says.
The Great White Throne Judgement isn't for believers, it's for the unbelievers. Everyone who hasn't accepted Christ will be resurrected (their bodies) and will face this judgement. That happens after the Millennial Reign of Christ.
The Bema Seat Judgement happens after the Rapture and that's for believers who will either win or lose rewards NOT their salvation. Although it's a place of examination, we won't be judged by our sins as Jesus took it upon himself.
God bless you!
Joe wrote » Immediately after death our soul/spirit is taken to Heaven or Hell (temporal).
What is temporal? if you are referring to these earthly fleshly bodies, then yes, that's true.
If you are referring to Heaven or Hell as temporal that is not true ~~
Heaven and Hell (Lake of Fire) are both everlasting ~~“For your Maker is your husband, the LORD of hosts is His name; and your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel; He is called the God of the whole earth.” — Isaiah 54:5
Good explanation, Joe.
Here is verses that explains where our souls go:
2 Cor. 5:6-8
6 Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7 For we live by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
So when our soul is away from our body, it is present with the Lord. You do not have to wait in the grave for the resurrection; you are with Christ and will receive your glorified body at the rapture.
I very much believe you will keep your personality traits because that is how God made you. He made you the way you are and would never undo that work. Yes, He will perfect us so that we are no longer sinful, but I am sure you will still have the same personality and even keep some memories from earth. There are examples in the Bible to support this. In the story of Lazarus that went to heaven and the rich man went to hell, they both recognized each other and spoke of their lives on earth. I think we will keep the memories Christ wants us to keep and the hurtful ones will have no place. He wipes away every tear from your eye.
I am sorry to hear about the death of your friend. Be assured that if he believed in Christ, He is in heaven now. He is healthy and happy and is still the same person you remember. When you join him in heaven, you will recognize each other and have the same bond, even stronger in perfection. Hope that helps. God bless.“I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.” — Romans 8:18
When I said Hell was temporal, I didn't mean that unbelievers will eventually get into Heaven (false doctrine)
I thought sheol/hades is temporal where unbelievers are till the Great White Throne Judgement where they will be cast into the Lake of Fire. Am I wrong? Sorry if I'm completely wrong
Joe, there are a lot of different ideas on that. Some say hades is a holding place of torment until the Great White Throne judgment and then hell is opened for all unbelievers. Some think unbelievers are in hell now, yet judgment has not officially taken place. Some think that believers before Jesus' death were held in a place called Abrham's bosom, until Jesus Himself ascended and opened up heaven.
Hard to say. We'll know for sure one day!
Hi Enoch 9000 and welcome to RITAN. I’m new here, too.
First, please accept my condolences on the loss of your friend. May the gracious Lord comfort you and give you hope.
Here is a Scripture that answers the question of whether we are conscious after death. The players are: Lazarus (not the same Lazarus that Jesus raised from the dead, who was the brother of Mary and Martha), a rich man, and Abraham (THE Abraham; also called “father Abraham.”)
What is important to note here, aside from Lazarus being in Abraham’s bosom, is that all three were conscious and could speak to each other, and all three had already died. Since this passage is a quote of Jesus’ own words, it confirms that after death we are conscious.
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
Hope that this helps answer your question.
HandmaidenRejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. Let your moderation be known unto all men.
The Lord is at hand. Phil. 4:4-5
Joe & W&W, and Handmaiden thanks for your clarification ~~ yep, you're right on!
edited by me because it took too long for me to post and the first part became obsolete.
My favorite sentence of the week was the one from the dream given to one of our members who was sitting in a chair when a departed friend came to her and embraced her. Our member said "What are you doing here? All this time...three and a half years...I thought you were dead!" My friend looked so young and beautiful, like she did when we were in school. She had no glasses on, and she was so, so happy. Smiling, BEAMING almost.
She hugged me and said, "No, I haven't been dead, I've been alive!"
I truly believe this is what happens when we die in Christ. We become more alive than ever before. And then we get incorruptible glorified bodies and will know Him as we are known and become even more alive than ever before. Growing from glory to glory because of the Love of our Great God and Bridegroom.For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. Gal 3:27
Please don't be afraid. I sense fear in your post! Hopefully I can encourage you.
I have died on record twice.
Both times were in front of witnesses; one at the hospital and one at work. I was not pronounced physically dead but, none-the-less, I was in Heaven.
I didn't experience some tunnel with light or people that have gone before me, etc. like some cases. I did experience a tunnel coming back from the second death experience then excrutiating pain, since I had fallen.
I was always told that when we die we go to the grave and sleep for a thousand years, or something, it absolutely horrified me and made me afraid as a believer.
When this happened, I realized that I had been in the throne room of God and not some box. This was a tactic set-up by the enemy to make us afraid, as well as making us believe we float on clouds, play harps and do nothing for eternity.
Anyway, upon death, there is no pain, we are in an amazingly young and replenished body. Some of us wear robes with intricate gold embroidery, some wear other robes in other styles. Even rocks have life. Very beautiful! There is radiance, loveliness, colors you can't even name, they don't exist in our earthly view. Everything there has life and abundant life...It is Paradise Everyone!!!!!! Just as Jesus Stated!!
Coming back after both experiences, changed me. I have no fear of death. What is difficult is the lack of life and despair her! Oh if people only knew what is in store for all of us who believe and seak Christ's Own Heart. What Joy!!!
It gives me comfort just recalling it....My last experience was Good Friday 2008...
I pray that God grants you blessings, comfort and peace that surpasses all understanding!!!!!
Enoch, one other thing. I was me only without all of the horrible baggage of past condemnation in my body. I was myself as Christ viewed me. Almost like I was super human, nothing could rob me. I knew I was super creative, I laughed and smiled more. I was unique and special and God treated me as such. Like a Gift! Only He was The Gift!!
Take all the good stuff about yourself and it will be enhanced 100 times over what you feel here! You are brighter but you are still you.
People that knew me, said I had a glow about me right after, like I had a "knowing"... Very Cool!!!!
The glow faded when the earthly reality set in -- like medical bills and caring for my young children after the surgery...but it is still here!
i watch this http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6240598F449465BC
and it make me confuse still?
if upon death we either go to heaven/paradise or hell/purgatory dont we have to 1st be judged then to decide which place we go?
I still try to make sense of all this, but it is being conflicting from other peoples views/beliefs/interpretations ect..
Well the Bible is implicitly clear that the souls who have accepted and believed upon Christ will go to Heaven and those who haven't will go to Hell immediately after death. This can be seen with the the Rich Man and Lazarus. Lazarus was taken by the angels to Abraham's Bosom immediately after death whereas the Rich Man was tormented after death.
A believer can have complete assurance of their Salvation and that they will go to Heaven
If someone has accepted Christ, do you think God will still judge them to see whether they go to Heaven or Hell? No, as the believers sins have been forgiven and washed away by the blood of Christ and God remembers them no more!
Purgatory is a false doctrine. It that makes the Cross of Christ insufficient by requiring the person to undergo suffering in order to be made worthy of being with God.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3:18
I don't have any special revelations about the afterlife; all I know is what I find in the Bible.
There is a final judgment, known as the Great White Throne Judgment in Revelation. It follows the raising of the unrighteous dead. I take it that the bodies the lost are given are suited to their eternal destiny even as those of the saved are suited to theirs.
As the verse in John says, if someone dies without Christ they are already condemned. This is the default destination of those who are not children of God. Therefore, I don't see any place for a preliminary judgment. Perhaps the reason for this is that God wishes to reward or punish everyone before all creation, and not privately as individuals?
He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him. John 3:36
Note the present tense "has" in the verse. It is a present reality, continuing into the future. Simply put, the video you referred to is in error. The soul does not sleep.
Job 14:10-12 describes death from a human viewpoint. Yes, the body ceases to function and may be described as "sleeping." Jesus himself used this comparison, as there will be a resurrection. This is not describing the state of the soul.
Job is a difficult book; you must weigh whether the words spoken represent God's position or reflect the human search for wisdom. It is only in the end that God sets everyone straight.
Consider this passage:
There on the mountain that you have climbed you will die and be gathered to your people, just as your brother Aaron died on Mount Hor and was gathered to his people. Deuteronomy 32:50
Note the phrase spoken by God, "gathered to your people." This cannot refer to the body, as shown by the next verse:
He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. Deuternomy 34:6
Obviously, Moses was not buried with the bodies of "his people." His soul was gathered to his people, however.
Then there is this:
22 He answered, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, ‘Who knows? The Lord may be gracious to me and let the child live.’ 23 But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.” 2 Samuel 12:22-23
This anticipates a reunion between David and his deceased son. David expects to see his child upon death, not simply to be laid to rest until the future resurrection.
And Matthew 22:32 "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."
Our spirits are all eternal in existence. Our flesh is temporary and destined for an upgrade, either from the dirt or while we're still walking around.
Spiritual life is being in communion with our Creator God, giver of life while spiritual death is separation from Him. Since God is spirit, death is more an unveiling of reality from His viewpoint than a ceasing of function from ours. It is a tossing off of the encumbrances of our corruptible flesh. At least until that day when our flesh is transformed into eternal perfection.
I've known a number of believers who have died and then come back. None are afraid of death, but they are often regretful of the pain of being in the flesh again. (Happy, healthy bodies don't tend to die.)
So what happened to the Lazarus that Jesus raised from the dead?
If he was in heaven why did he bring him back to this crap-hole sinful world to die all over again?
Why is there no scripture or talk about what Lazarus saw or did when he was dead and then brought back to life? where did he go? what did he see, what did he do, what became of him?
I imagine this world was far less of a 'crap-hole'while Jesus was with him in it!
But I believe God allowed this to bring lost people(both eyewitnesses and those who would read the printed word)to hear and believe and be saved.“They looked to Him and were radiant,
And their faces were not ashamed.” (Psa.34:5).
I also imagine that in a very true and real way believers will never die, as Christ said;even though these Jars of clay do;we(Spirit and soul)merely 'eject'if you will.
Spiritual death is solely for the unbeliever;we have eternal life.
That being said,I would still much prefer a Rapture,Dear Dad!
Lazarus was proof to them and us that Yeshua really is the resurrection and the life. Those who believe in Him, though dead, will live again. And I bet if they had tv and talk shows back then there'd be more input on it. You know he would have made the rounds.
I imagine his experience would be similar to that of people more contemporary to us who have reported coming back from paradise.
And it was not only evidence to those who would believe, it was evidence against those who would not believe. I'm still amazed that the pharisee's response to Lazarus being raised from the thoroughly, stinky dead was that they wanted to kill both Lazarus and Yeshua. That's not going to play well for them at the Great White Throne Judgment. What idiots.
The Nazareth Inscription Stone
Edict of Caesar shows Gospel preached early
I would not hold this inscription up as proof positive to make a point, although I think it is interesting that it was found in Nazareth, the hometown of Jesus, and dates to A.D. 41.
Looks as if they were having some problems with people not staying in their graves they way they're supposed to. Who knows why?
Pure Joy...for Saved Souls...(THANK YOU JESUS)
You, are you! A member of the Body of Christ! That Will Be...
Without The Nature of SIN! Forever Gone!
Father God, Says (I) Make My Jewels...
Your Personality...Is Original and Stays The Same...
(WE WILL STILL LEARN AND GROW IN THE WAYS OF GOD...HIS LOVE...
AND KNOWLEDGE...IS BEYOND UNDERSTANDING!)
YOUR SPECIAL RELATION TO FATHER GOD! WILL ALSO HAVE A PRIVATE
CONNECTION...AS BETWEEN FATHER AND CHILD, FOREVER!
He who is able to hear, let him listen to and heed what the Spirit says to the assemblies (churches). To him who overcomes (conquers), I will give to eat of the manna that is hidden, and I will give him a white stone with a new name engraved on the stone, which no one knows or understands except he who receives it. Revelation 2:17
Shalom~Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 (Thank You JESUS)
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