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Wow, I really can relate to his description of Christ's laughter. I've heard Jesus laugh before and it was always joyful, rich and "hearty", exactly how he, the God of the universe, should sound.. I've wondered if it was truly Him but Robert's testimony is confirmation for me.
ohodijia, thanks for finding this, and admin thanks for posting. Love to think about our Lord in heaven.
Okay, THIS is a testimony of Heaven I can sink my teeth into! I have a peace with everything he said. I know from my own experience angels are very tall. I love the description about their wings and the flowers. Something about singing/humming flowers speaks to me. The gold as clear as crystal as well. And I could totally get "into" the description of the couch!!
I have no doubt in my mind that Jesus is playful, especially with a young boy. And the fact that this guy gave his life to Christ after becoming His friend makes the story that much more plausible. If you have a physical encounter with Christ, IT WILL CHANGE YOU.
Also, in the second vid when he spoke about having a hunger for learning about preachers to the point he would go hunting for people who knew them, that *really* struck a chord in me. I have a similar "hunger" within myself - not to know preachers, but to get to know God, a Christian's inheritance, and the ins-and-outs of spiritual warfare. Every day I'm studying. For hours. Either online, watching YouTube, or reading books by preachers. The Holy Spirit whispers in my ear about which books to buy, what to read, where to study, what to blog or post on my FB. Also, the Holy Spirit has recently been opening my eyes in Scripture to see things I haven't seen before. Of course, I've asked Him to do this for me. :)
Because of his passion and his sincerity, and because his testimony is childlike - as a real kid would think and feel - I truly believe this man. Amen!! :D
Becka: YES! This is exactly what I was feeling. The underlying focus was always on JESUS, and what He was like, and what His personality was like. Water-fight with an 8 year old boy, yep, I "get that too." He would be exactly like that.
There for me was, no ~~ "Wait what did he say?" "That is not what the Bible says." or any confusion on my part, just a man telling about Jesus. For me too, here there is a behind the words, glimps of Jesus, I love that about this.
One last telling point for me, was that although Liardon is talking about himself, he spotlights Jesus, not himself in any way, it is always about Jesus.
One last point! HE STARTED IT!
That was so very funny, about Roberts saying Jesus started the water fight.
oh, so good !! ~~ Jesus created laughter, joy, children, innocence, humility, flowers in Heaven 'talking' in praises to our God and Creator ~~ yes! 'even the rocks shall cry out' .
We're ready, LORD ~~ to forever be in the midst of Heaven so close to You, JESUS and rejoice over all You have prepared ~
~ RIGHT IN HIS PRESENCE, HIS LIGHT PROTECTING, POWERFUL OUR GOD WILL TAKE US . . HE IS COMING , THE SPIRIT OF LIFE EVERMORE SHALL BE BE OUR SURROUNDING ~~ oh, THANK YOU, JESUS, You are here in Spirit with us, smiling, I believe while listening to our communication in love with You ~
oh,~ bless your watchers staying excited over You and Your call ~~
Caleb - YES! The focus is on Christ, not some "angelic guide" or unguided happening. I just don't have peace with visitations that never see the Lord or hear from the Lord or have anything to do with the Lord.
For me, the difference, is that from this telling, I GOT A LOT OF JOY OUT OF IT!
I hope Reborn sees this, she needs to!!!
The focus was on Jesus, not himself. "I did not keep thinking, he is not 12, that might be cute if he was, but he is not 12, why does he have pink hair?" That was a distraction for me..."focus was off of Jesus" ...just saying...
I know folks are going to be mad at me over that last part, but it does not focus on Jesus no mater how you want to spin it.
I'm reading the book now because of these videos (yay for Kindle and instantaneous books!). The Lord playing with him in the River of Life like that, and the description of His laughter were awesome. That reminded me of the movie, Passion of the Christ, where He's washing His hands, and playfully tosses a handful at Mary. Very sweet, good humor, and fun...loved it. That the creator of the universe, who spoke all into existence according to the will of the Father by His word alone, plays with children and has a genuine, heart-felt laugh is completely awesome.
I, too, have an insatiable hunger for Him. I can't get enough, and can't digest it all fast enough. More, Lord. More, more, more. And, related to this:
Are we there yet?
How about now?
Who better to UNDERSTAND children that the One who made them?
Let me know the name of the book, and what you think about it, I'll order it from amazon. I'm going to see if I can find more on him on the net.
I'm glad you found this thread, I was thinking this overall discussion was not blessing you very much, and I thought this would.
You were right :-) The kitten in your avatar picture reminds me of a snow leopard (my favorite kind of cat). What kind of cat is it?
The book is called "I saw Heaven." I read pretty quickly, so should be able to tell you what I think in the next day or two :-)
Also constantly hungry for more and more Jesus !
Once I did a serenity retreat thing. And in the meditation I saw Jesus and he was laughing so much.
I was amazed as I had been telling him alll my many woes,
And he just laughed but not at me it was so good natured.
As if he was saying
Ahhh teen queen don't take yourself so serious,
You make me happy!
It was lovely.
Felt so much better afterwards.
Deep in our messy human experience, Jesus still delights in us. The way we do when our kids make a big mess trying to bake a cake. Adorable!
I can't remember if I posted this or not but here goes again....
I am the coordinator of our homeschool groups co-op. Last year one of two siblings came up to me and asked, "OKay you have to tell me who is your favorite?" I told her that I loved them both the same just like with my own kids. Then one of a pair of twins came up and said," yeah but we all know that you love me the most, right?" So I jokingly told him ,"of course, just don't tell anyone!"
Well the next week I was feeling down because some women at church were giving me the sub-zero shoulder. I was talking to the Lord about it and asking him how I should handle it, because I was still hurting and I didn't want to act out of that pain.
I heard ( in my spirit) the Holy Spirit say," It will be okay, You know that I love you the best!" I realized instanlty that he was joking with me to make me feel better. What a cool loving God!
As mentioned in the Richard Eby post, I thought I had a Liardon book at home and I do, "We Saw Heaven" which includes his story as a child, as well as others. Jesus apparently annointed him for the ministry while he was in Heaven. Jesus also cried and asked Roberts why people don't take Him at His word. Seems a little strange that Jesus would cry and say that to a child, but that's just my take on it. Everything Roberts saw has occurred in others NDEs or stories but I have no problem with that either. I think someone mentioned earlier...it's from a child's perspective as Roberts is 8 during this vision or trip. Other NDEs and Heavenly visits have affected older people so much that they radically change their life. And they stay changed. Howard Storm still cries about his experience almost 40 years after it happened. Others too seem to get that faraway look in their eyes when you watch a video. Liardon couldn't talk to anyone about it until he was 16 or so, makes sense. He eventually became a minister. Just goes to show you that we are all different. And thank God for that! And I do!
From what I've gleaned from "Prodigal Son" preachers, (those who were with God, then turned wild and worldly and returned), seem to be THE most passionate and desperate for God.
They've seen the worldly side, they've experienced a life without God and they NEVER want to go through that again. There's something "more" about them that's hard to explain. As if God allows them to fall away only to bring them back bigger and better than before. Tullian Tchividjian comes to mind (grandson of Billy Graham), Paul Washer, Peter the Apostle...
Perhaps it is the experience that polishes the "gold" within your spirit, to make you realize that all is vanity. The only way to truly understand that truth is to LIVE it. And the only way to get someone to cling to Christ with all their might is to allow them to experience the hollowness of the world and then draw them back into the fold. It proves to the Prodigal that the only Worth worth having is in Christ.
In this way, I don't poo-poo Prodigal preachers, I actually sit up and listen to them with more interest. They have the life experience to tell you it's all vanity, and the fruit in their lives of clinging to Christ unashamed that gives a glorious example by which to live.
I remember making a cake when little, a few essential ingredients are: cake-flour on the floor and upon everything in the kitchen, cake batter inside the cabinets, broken eggs on the floured floor for the dogs to track all over the house (my mom always loved that one) and most importantly, when it says "mix by hand" that means 10 fingered hands. I was banned from cakes for a very long time.
However, I did graduate to cinnamon buns made from a can, I could do that faster with much less mess. That is ~ provided I could get them in the oven before the dogs ate them off the baking sheet.
He says in his book that Yeshua does not know when He will return. Perhaps this is true, but I struggle with that interpretation personally :-) This might simply be a weakness of mine.
He then says later that the Trinity meets in the Throne room periodically to have conferences, and no one in Heaven is allowed to enter or speak with Them while this is going on. The people's requests are sent to the Trinity, and they will get an answer later, but must wait until the conference is complete.
There are filing cabinets in Heaven with files for every human being, listing all your needs first, and then your wants/desires. When you have a request of God, angels pull your file and one of them will take your file to the Father to plead your case before Him, but ONLY if you follow God's rules and laws. If He agrees, then you get your request, but again, only if you have followed all His laws. If not, then your request is denied and you only get your basic needs met. The angel will bring the answer back to you. However, he has to fight his way through the second heaven, or the 'desert place,' to get back to Earth. To quote: "Jesus said we should cast evil spirits into the 'desert place.' This is the second heaven. There is nothing there for the demons to possess. They are packed in like sardines, and they are fighting one another. What fuels your angel from Earth to Heaven and back are the confessions of your mouth and your prayer life. That's one reason the devil fights you so hard since it pertains to your faith in God's Word and your confession. This is why your prayers sometimes seem to be unanswered. The angel brings the answer from Heaven to your doorstep and your spirit man almost reaches out and gets hold of what God said was yours, but then you lose it because you start doubting in your heart. You start confessing the wrong words; you allow yourself to start thinking wrong thoughts, or even worse you stop praying and believing. At that point the angel has to turn around and take the blessing back to Heaven! Never give up!" He then says that answers/blessings are not given to prayers because we don't persist in asking. So, we don't get answers to our desires if we do not follow His laws, and we don't get blessings because of lack of faith and persistence in asking. I'm not sure why God uses physical files to keep knowledge about us, or uses angels instead of Christ as our mediator before the Father in Heaven, or requires us to follow the Ten Commandments in order to have our personal desires answered.
All of our unclaimed blessings appear as body parts in various massive storehouses in Heaven. "Hundreds of new eyes and legs, skin, hair, eardrums--they are all there." These blessings must be grasped by faith--all we have to do is believe that they are there, and go get them in faith. Angels maintain these body parts in the storehouses, and will take them to the appropriate person.
He says we can talk directly to our angels, because we know the voice of the Lord, and if we are being led by our spirit (not the Holy Spirit, but by our own), then every Christian can discern between a fallen angel and an elect. An elect angel will respond to your words of faith.
In the video, he says he's not sure why not everyone hasn't had the same experiences, and that he has these experiences when he's just being natural. However, in the book, he tells you how you can have the same experience: you must give your life entirely to God. You have to give everything over to Him, and the price for having this kind of experience is praying each day and studying God's Word. You must be walking with Him constantly.
Also in the video, he says that the Lord came through the door when he was twelve or so, walked a bit closer to him, and then gave him a message. In the book, the Lord comes right over and sits down next to him on the couch. He says in the video that he eventually obeys the Lord in His request to read about those that had been called to the ministry and had obeyed His commands. In the book, he says he obeys immediately.
He encourages the reader at the end to accept Yeshua as their savior, and then talks about what we can know about Heaven from what the Bible says. His interpretations are rather weak, and he mixes up which level of heaven is being discussed in each verse. As one example, because the four living creatures in Revelation had features like animals, and because of the four horsemen in Revelation, then there must be animals in Heaven.
That's the book, in a nutshell. He said some other things that I disagree with personally, but nothing that essentially matters.
I don't know if this really happened to him or not. Maybe it did, maybe not. I'm not entirely comfortable with everything he said, but that's just me. I could have misunderstood the author, as well. Like I said, he was confusing to me. I did like how the Lord played with Liardon, how the Lord laughs, and the Lord's sense of humor. I liked some other things too. In any case, I hope this information about the book helps! :-)
Thank you: From the perspective of a groom, I can see how Jesus might not know when He is returning for His bride. From the standpoint of His divinity, I'm with you ~not saying anything here ~ I'm not understanding that, but then there is a LOT I don't understand.
KK in one of her books talks about there being a body parts warehouse in Heaven too...
I read a study a long time ago, I would need to hunt for it, I believe there is a correlation between the four faces on the angels/beings before God and the figures on the standards the Hebrews had in the wilderness when they were moving with the tabernacle, NSEW...don't quote me. It is on my list to do a thread on.
Ah, ok. I didn't realize that they both had the same vision about the body part warehouse. Interesting.
Yeah, there's a correlation between the tribes, how they encamped around the Tabernacle, and each tribe's standards. The lion is the tribe of Judah, the eagle is...Dan, I think? The Ox is Ephraim, and the man is Rueben. They have also been correlated with the four gospels, as well. I've studied this, as well. Isn't it cool?!
Reborn, sounds like your take on this man's trip to Heaven when he was a boy is about the same as mine. Southpaw bumped another Near Death Experience video and added the written part as well, another quick read for you. Ian McCormick is one of thos NDEs that comes through it a changed man, calling himself reborn. I think you will find it compelling. Here is the Rita post.
I have "I Saw Heaven" in my collection of books and have had it for many years. I bought it many years ago at a book store in a church. It has always blessed me. I've also heard Ian McCormick's testimoney. I really enjoy reading about NDEs and although between them, there may be a few discrepancies, for the most part they all correlate. There are some such as Jesse Duplantis' - "Close Encounters of the God Kind" that I get a red flag with some parts. Anything you read or listen to has be be done through the lens of discernment. I think I've seen these videos here before but I'm going to listen to them again.
I also tend to listen closely to those ministers who have fallen and then repented and been restored. They have an insight and to be, they convey a powerful message to those who also need restoration.
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