Zophim314, I believe you are spot-on with the tribulation starting April 13th 2014, and Yes, Ezekiel 39 will end 7 months before... but if the Revelation 7 interlude is during late Nov/Dec 2013 then the first 6 seals must be opened by then, therefore, the Tribulation does not start until the 1st Trumpet when the 7th Seal is opened...

If the current sign of Jesus is a first fruits Rapture, then We will be in heaven watching Jesus open the seals. and Ezekiel 39 will be the opening of the 2nd Seal... Everything still fits....

Trumpets 777, I had the same view as you 3 weeks ago, preconceived ideas about Jesus fulfilling the fall feasts, but the Signs in the Heavens do not point to that...

Maybe (and this is just speculation), the wedding of the Bride to Jesus will fulfil the fall feasts?? Maybe the coronation as Jesus as King of all the Earth will fulfil the fall feasts??

And we don't actually know wether Jesus fulfilled all feasts during His lifetime, He may have been conceived during the fall feasts, maybe His first miracle fulfilled a feast?? Questions, questions...

Its not the Sun that is the key to the sign, but the placement of Jupiter in the birth canal of Virgo, and the other 11 stars that make up the 12.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh0GqW0Ak3k

Now, if (as Paul says) the rapture occurs 'at the last trump' the first and only 'last trump' before this (blown on Yom Teruah) would be September 6, 2013 (give or take a day) which is 7 months and 8 days before April 13, 2014.

I find that interesting because if you read Ezekiel 39 Israel will bury the bodies of the battle for 7 MONTHS... thereafter (once the land is cleansed) they burn the weapons for 7 YEARS, which is the length of the tribulation starting April 14, 2014.

Any time frame outside these days doesn't fit either the signs OR the clues we glean from scripture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk2W0W-TGxI

I think this should put any questions about the timing of events to rest... it has completely blown me away!!!!!

I still am not sure what to think, she still insists she can see it & hasn't waivered. I just ask Jesus to keep away anything not from Him & check with her from time to time to see if anything is different.

Thanks for asking :-) That's awesome that your husband sees them! This has been happening for a while, so i don't know about danger, or if it's there to protect her - she is quite the prayer warrior at her 8 years of age, seriously. Does he still see them?

Here is a first hand report on Kat Kerr and what she says and believes.

I just came back from a 3 hour meeting with her as the special guest speaker. She had many, many good, scriptural and instructive things to say. Most was very positive and encouraging. At the end her stories on going in the spirit to Heaven and what she saw were all very convincing and brought a desire on my part to get there as soon as possible. (but of course, I already felt that way, she just increased the longing with her stories}

However, and here is the sad part, she is operating her ministry in the flesh. Here are the main issues she is way off base on.

1. She believes it is many, many (she used the number 5) generations before the return of Christ and mocked those who say it is soon using scripture out of context.

2. She belives the "Church" is going to get holier and holier, stronger and stronger and do such great works that even actual mountains will be moved into the sea, and people brought back to life that have been cremated. She believes that the "Church" will usher in the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth and have dominion over it BEFORE Christ returns. (I believe those things will be done in the millennium by us as kings and priest as we serve Christ the King of Kings)

3. Because of # 2 above she uses many scriptures out of context to try and justify this belief. This is all what the "kingdom now" group teach.

4. She believes that the revelations God has given her superceede His written Word. She does not say this directly, but the inference is there.

5. She yelled and screamed at the top of her lungs for a full 5 minutes saying it was God directly speaking through her. The words were condeming and judgemental. (this of course closed my spirit to anything else she had to say as being from God)

6. She strongly leaves the impression that she is more holy than most people because she has a very large river running through her house that her angles surf in, and also because she speaks the words of God she gets from personal and private revelation.

While I believe her visions/spiritual travels to Heaven are real and what she reports in many cases is corraborated by others that have been there, she is now ministering from an unscriptural position and clearly to me at least, speaking by the flesh and not the Spirit in most instances.

I would recommend caution if reading her books or listening to her videos. You will need to pick out a lot of bones to get to the meat.

Revelation 22-
18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

20He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

I hear some literally acting hurt and personally offended at others pointing obvious fallacies in what this woman is saying. Why? Yohanan is absolutely correct....we are to believe that God is for some reason revealing everything that He DIDN'T reveal through the prophets , not even through Christ Himself, including silly descriptions of heaven, the time of the Rapture, portals, etc? Why would He do this? Why not just have Paul, or John, or Jesus, let us know that there is a portal where we can go see our loved ones?

Because it's made up nonsense. And that isn't bashing, I'm being a Berean and following the Bible. If you have fallen under the spell of this person, you are officially believing extra Scriptural material supposedly from Jesus Christ. Others have done it....Billy Branham comes to mind. Followers and believers of these people ALWAYS cry out in anger when they are spoken against...it's classic cult behavior.

The time of the prophets is over. We have a direct line to Christ and that is who we are to listen to. If this lady is having dreams and demonic visions causing her to believe her own silliness, I feel sorry for her. If she is making things up for money, I wouldn't want to be in her shoes. Praying for her either way.

I happen to agree with Yohanan in his comment about the New Age feel to her stories; I was involved heavily in this teaching for years before I came to Christ, and I picked up on the same thing as he did. The truth demons present is often so subtle as to be nearly undetectable, especially when sandwiched in between truth (or bits of truth). Their focus, however, is to take your eyes off of Jesus; they will water down His message at the very least. Sometimes they are very bold with what they teach, and it will be obviously contrary to God's Word...but that is not always the case.

All I can say is: please be very careful.

Edit: I'm not saying she is teaching demonic doctrine. I'm just saying that her statements lead me to be unsure about the source of her information. I'm not judging her; if she is indeed false, may the Lord rebuke her. If she is true, may the Lord reveal this to me. That's all I meant.

i thought the slandering was done already!

From the dictionary:
slander |ˈslandər|
noun the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation

Her statements are false, not mine. False prophets lead people to hell. I will not sit idly by and say nothing. Call it what you want dabon but she is false. BTW, Jesus drove the money changers out with a whip. He overturned the tables. Is that the Jesus you are referring to? He also called the Pharisees a brood of vipers and white washed tombs. He was hard on them. Should we be patsies to false prophets?

I know this will upset some of you. I will not apologize. In all my posts I have never spoken like this. I try to be an encourager and an uplifter, but not here. She is false! and as Gollum would say "tricksy". Stay away from her message.

We the Church (Christ's mystery revealed) has already been given the pouring out (abiding) of the Holy Spirit inwardly belonging to every member of the Body of Christ~~

Joel's prophesy clearly points to Israel~~ hence; the Rapture of the Church happens before the pouring out of the Holy Spirit upon Israel's Remnant:

. . . " Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.'

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call. . . "Joel 23-38

… I also believe that much prophecy still needs to be fulfilled not the least being God pouring out his spirit on all flesh as spoken in Joel, many think that is happening right now, although I believe we are seeing just the tip of the iceberg, there is the greatest outpouring of Gods spirit still to occur on ALL flesh as scripture declare, this has not happened yet. Also, this outpouring will coincide with the greatest and last harvest prophecied in scripture, which has not occurred. … "

If people factored in this very point, then all the 'apparent' difficulties of the rapture question are answered.
I have searched many boards, and I have yet to see this discussed in full.

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I had to post another post because of some of the negative slanders by christians against kat Kerr. I'm not naming names but some here and other websites have stated she must be receiving her info from deceiving spirits. Although we all could be mislead (watch where you stand less you fall), the scripture tells us how, and what to do to determine authenticity.

As for the rapture God can allow us to know the "season" as scripture tells us. If I say I think the rapture will happen within 15 years does that mean I received my thought/idea from deceiving spirits? We all give our own prediction to many things, that doesn't make them from "deceiving" spirits, its our own educated guess, based on many things. If God tells someone the rapture will be around 20 years from now that still doesn't tell us the day or hour, that is not against scripture. The scripture tells us no one knows the day or hour, that's it. I also just want to remind that to God a day could be like a thousand years and a thousand years could be like a day..i.e coming soon can mean tomorrow, next year, next 10 years, or more. I myself have had 1 rapture dream and feel like it will be at least sometime during my lifetime. I believe that though God is/has been giving rapture dreams/visions everywhere he doesn't typically tell us the timing which always messes people up, or he gives a general timing (few years, about 30 years, etc). I know He wants us ready now not only because of possible rapture but simply even if we die are we truly ready today to stand before the lord? Many Christians (including myself) may have not been ready and found with spot and wrinkles (the foolish virgins), and may have been left behind. Gods grace is also Gods extra time so that many christians and non-christians can repent and be saved and be taken to avoid the horrible things coming during tribulation, shouldn't we want the same thing? His will be done not ours right?! God is a God of justice/wrath but he is a God of Love. It is because love He hasn't come back. My dream about the rapture had more to do about me being left behind. A warning to wake up, to get rid of sins in my life which could preclude me from the rapture. I also believe that much prophecy still needs to be fulfilled not the least being God pouring out his spirit on all flesh as spoken in Joel, many think that is happening right now, although I believe we are seeing just the tip of the iceberg, there is the greatest outpouring of Gods spirit still to occur on ALL flesh as scripture declare, this has not happened yet. Also, this outpouring will coincide with the greatest and last harvest prophecied in scripture, which has not occurred. And the church (at large) is certainly NOT showing the world love towards one another, so these things still need to take place according to scripture. God will be judging his church (at large) first, then the world, I believe christians (especially here in America) may have to go through a time of trial for the testing of our faith and Love for one another. But through it all Gods glory will be manifesting and outshining the darkness, as a declaration and testimony to the world.

Do you have more insight on the dream now that it has been a little while?

Some thoughts that came to mind:
The angel is in "the house of God" (heaven?) reading the Bible (God's word). There is a man outside looking in with mixed feelings (represents a lost soul?). Plenty of messages about bearing fruit. And the feast. This all makes me think this is super complex for your an 8 year old to have.

It kind of makes me think of an "outreach" dream. There is a lost soul trying to get in, but if nobody bears fruit (witnesses the gospel to him) then he wont be reached. The feast is ready for it's guests but it is waiting for them to arrive. Roses and figs make me think of a wedding. It's time for the wedding but we are patiently waiting for that lost soul to find his way inside?

Then I had a flash-thought -- Son of God, Son of Man.

The lion I saw at the end of the hallway by the elevator was majestic, mighty, a King, with a full mane in all its glory with the Light of God emanating from Him. But the lion in the hallway was peaceful, more approachable.

I think Yeshua was showing me the contrast between the Son of God and the Son of Man! The elevator was the only way out. Perhaps it went up to Heaven. All I knew was that I couldn't get to it without going through that fearful lion.

But when I hid around the bend, the lion had come to me. Yet this time, He had come in peace, His Godhood (mane) concealed, yet still a King (lion). I could reach out and touch THIS lion. He wanted me to and He smiled when I did.

This could have been showing the contrast between God/Man of Yeshua. That through the humble lion I could get to God, though I was still scared to touch Him. Interestingly enough, I didn't pat His shoulder or scratch His ear, I touched His nose. On a whim, I looked around for "touching a lion's nose" and came across a website that talks about what this behavior means for cats. It kind of made my heart do a little leap...

**For Fair Use and Educational Purposes**

The nose touch is an even social exchange that puts both cats in an equally vulnerable position.

A nose touch tells a cat where the other cat has been. It also tells him whether or not she's in his "in group." When a cat smells another cat who doesn't have his scent on her, he marks her by rubbing his face and head on her. It's partially friendly—a show of social acceptance—but it's also territory marking.

http://pets.thenest.com/nosetouch-greeting-cats-6685.html

Whaaat?? Isn't that crazy? I had no idea! More than merely petting the lion, I truly do believe Yeshua was telling me -- "I know where you've been and I accept you - you're Mine, don't be afraid."

I feel as if the Lion down the hallway is my future, while the Lion around the bend is for now. But both Lions are the same Lion. :) Amazing!!

Thank You, Yeshua! \O/

~~Becka

You might want to have a look at this thread!!
http://raptureintheairnow.com/rita-main-discussion-forum/i-just-realized-something

To the Glory of YHWH!

Be blessed, and with peace in your heart!

Daniel

I've been shot down in flames more than once for sharing with friends and family about hearing angels singing.

I've heard them singing just as you described while going to sleep.

They were singing "Aaahh..." in harmony *until* I really began listening to them. Then it was as if someone had turned up the volume.
Then the harmonizing would turn into words and lyrics that I would listen to as I went to sleep.

More recently, I had a period of four days straight, last week, when I could hear them singing, off and on, while I was wide awake. It was very cool.
Some of it was absolutely beautiful and breathtaking and some of what I heard was quite simple, like something a child would sing.
I was the only one who could hear it though, unfortunately.There are no believers around me so I didn't expect that they would hear it, but I had to ask them all the same; it was just so real I couldn't get it through my head that it was entirely in the spiritual realm.

At any rate, I thought I would let you know that your certainly not alone in hearing things like this, and I for one, am a steadfast believer of what you have described, perhaps more than most people would, or even could, considering that the most people haven't heard these heavenly choirs.
I have a pet theory (could be entirely wrong, of course) that Christians all over the world are hearing these things (singing in particular) and that most do not hear these things on a conscious level but are experiencing the same thing as we are, in the spiritual realm only. Which would account for an "unaccountable" knowing that the time draws near, by so many people, even though many of them aren't necessarily watching at all. The spirit is bearing witness within us to things our minds haven't been able to fully grasp yet.
Oh yes, before I forget, one of the songs I heard was very similar to what you heard. I wish I had written it down so I could compare it word for word, but unfortunately I spent more of my time just enjoying what I was listening to rather than trying to remember lyrics.

I am so happy for you that our dear Lord has communicated such "awesomeness" that only He can deliver to his loyal and precious obedient Servant.

Happy Easter, He Has Risen!!!!!!!
Be Blessed...

~~Becka

Isn't he truely Wonderful, and you got to touch his nose!! :0)

Bless you love and thankyou so much for sharing.