I was reading about another person on here that speaks in tounges. I heard it's great in spiritual warfare. How do I learn it? It'd be awesome to get closer to God (speaking in tounges does get a person closer to Him,right?) and at the same time practice spiritual warfare.
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Remember this. Peace is when you trust God in difficult times despite uncertain circumstances.
It's not learned, but yes...the Holy Spirit is the third person of the trinity and He will baptize you and indwell you, all you have to do is ask. Just like He did on the day of Pentacost, He will flow out of your belly like living waters and give you the utterance of the heavenly language.
All you have to do is ask and believe. :) Then when you feel your spirit rising up inside you, then you just speak out the langage He gives you and satan cannot understand this language.
If i was you, i would find someone in your area...a Pastor or friend that believes in this gift and talk to them about it or do some research online. Also, i know there are other's on this board that has the gift as well that can describe it better than i have.
Blessings~Isaiah 54:9~ For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
All you have to do is ask.
I'll tell you about my experience. I've found the Lord starts giving me curiousity about something if He wants me to have something. That's what He did with my Heavenly Language.
I started to be curious about it and I told the Lord that if it was in His perfect will, I wanted it. I didn't beg Him. This happened many years ago when I still lived at home with my parents.
One night I went to bed as usual. At that time I use to go to sleep while listening to Christian music and programming. I remember waking up in the middle of the night and this incredible feeling came over me. From my stomach or belly area I felt this strange feeling. It was the rivers of living water flowing from my innermost being. I also had this overwhelming urge to begin to praise Jesus and as I did, this unknown language began to flow. It came fast and I was immersed with His love. I prayed for hours. I ran to my parents room crying and letting them know what happened.
For me it has been the most precious gift because I can yield to the Holy Spirit and let Him pray through me and I know His prayers are always according to the Fathers perfect will. It's a big weapon in spritual warefare because the enemy doesn't know what is being prayed when the Holy Spirit prays. Sometimes the Holy Spirit will let me know what is being prayed.
I think next to being saved that praying in my heavnely language has been the most powerful gift.
I just wanted to encourage you and to let you know that this is something between you and the Lord. You don't have to be inside a building with believers or have someone lay hands on you etc., The Lord Jesus can walk into your room and give it to you at His will.
May the Lord Jesus greatly bless you
I asked for it too, but nothing happened. Not everybody gets this gift.
Some churches say: If you can't pray in tongues, you don't have the Holy Spirit. But that's not true!
It sounds like a wonderful gift though.
Dees94 - yes, I agree with you that it is error to say you have to speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit. Some may even teach that without the speaking in tongues, you aren't saved. Even worse error!! I have been taught and I believe that when you are saved you receive the Holy Spirit. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a separate event and at that time you receive the gift of speaking in tongues. I do beleve it is for everyone but for reasons I don't always understand, it doesn't always happen. When I received it, a friend prayed with me in my home for hours and nothing happened. After she left, I got ready for bed and then while in bed, I continued to pray and that is when I received.
I don't believe you have to speak in tongues to have be effective witness and live a Christian life. Obviously there are those out there who have done great things for God and probably have not had the experience. But the experience does give another dimension to my prayer life. There are times when I am burdened about something and don't know the words to pray. When I pray in tongues, it is the Holy Spirit praying through me and I know I am praying for the situation as I ought.
I have heard the argument that praying in tongues is just a fabrication of the person. I am here to tell you that I am just not that clever! Many times, my prayer language is one or two phrases, repeated over and over. But when I am needing to pray about something specific or if I'm just troubled about something, my prayer language is much different and what comes out of my mouth is just too complicated for me to make up. As I said, I'm just not that clever!"If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things are passed away; behold all things are become new." 2 Corinthians 5:17
I used to have a problem with tongues, it seemed weird and I worried- what if all that weird stuff is demonic? But it comes down to complete trust in the Holy Spirit & when He gives a word or sound to say, no matter how strange it seems, just say it :)Search the Scriptures for Truth ~ believe only what you have learned from the Bible, and not just what you have been taught.
I watched the Nightline report, Jonathan. Very interesting! I thought maybe I had heard of this study before, it sounded familiar anyway.
Spoiler alert for those who haven't seen the video: I found it very telling that the frontal lobe of the brain was relatively inactive during the praying in tongues. How awesome is our God that He allows us to pray to Him without any conscious effort of our own!
True! The gift of tongues is a powerful weapon in spiritual warfare! My sister and I prayed one night on Halloween for my nephew; it was around 11:30 and we prayed tighter holding hands; she began praying in tongues and I just held on praying to myself. All of a sudden, a phrase came to me at the time I had never really studied it; I didn't know where it was in the bible, but it was so amplified in my mind I had to blurt it out: "No spirit formed against you shall prosper" I said it once, my sister stopped praying , I said it again as I realized what it meant... We both started to cry and laugh and praise God because we knew that was the answer to our prayers! I asked my sister when we stopped screaming in praise, " where is that from.? She wasn' sure, then we looked it up in our concordance and found the correct phrase was, No weapon formed against you shall prosper.. We took that word through the rest of our battles throughout the years knowing in faith that the Lord has promised that word over our lives, it has been my most powerful prayer of faith against all forms of spiritual attacks... Praise our Lord for He is mighty and full of grace for His children ..Mustard Seed Faith Can Indeed Move Mountains!
I should have included in my earlier entry about my experience in receiving my heavenly language that it was months or several weeks from my desire in wanting this gift and asking the Lord Jesus for it to that night when I did actually receive it while being awoken by the Holy Spirit. Maybe He wanted to see if I really wanted it. I don't know but I felt I should let you know it was not immediate.
Another experience I had was with my daughter. Because of my experience in receiving my heavenly language and the impact it has had on my life, I wanted my daughter to have it. I often asked the Lord Jesus to give it to her.
After many years of prayer for her she began to develop a desire and curiousity for it. The Lord began dealing with her and during her prayers she began to speak in her heavenly language. I rejoiced greatly!
The Lord brought something to my remembrance as I was reading your accounts. It was when my daughter was 5 or 6. She and her brother had watched a Flintstone's cartoon episode about Fred inheriting a castle that was haunted but he had to stay there at least one night to inherit it. There were the usual things of ghosts and Fred being chased by someone with a hatchet and I didn't think too much about it. I've since learned better. Later at bedtime, my daughter who usually went to bed without any problem kept coming out of her room for a drink of water and multiple other requests. I was tired and I remember my patience was getting short and I after multiple times put her back into bed. She began to cry and cover her eyes. I can't remember everything that was said but I think I asked her if she was scared of something. She nodded and would not take her hands away from her face. I really wasn't very aware of spiritual warfare at the time and didn't know what to do so I began to pray in tongues. All of a sudden, the atmosphere became so thick you could have cut it with a knife. It was ominous and I was pretty freaked out. I kept praying in tongue and suddenly it lifted. My daughter took her hands away and smiled at me. I asked her if everything was okay and she said yes and within minutes was asleep. I obviously had encountered a spirit trying to frighten her - perhaps because of the Flintstone's episode.1 vote of thanks [my Rock is Christ]
No worries. The very fact that you have the desire is 80% of receiving. The other is surrender.
I was a Christian 7 years, asking and never receiving, I refused to just babble. I was in the middle of extreme spiritual warfare during the end of the 7th year, when I noticed that in my dreams as I was coming against the enemy, I prayed in tongues. I would sometimes come out of my sleep and my husband would tell me I was mumbling in another language.
This went on for another 6 years. Until finally, one day, it just came out during a deliverance prayer. At first the language was repetitive, then as I grew in maturity in my faith it has morphed.
For this latest season, I notice that it seems ancient middle east in origin, sometimes almost African in sound. I have heard other languages that are similar, some words seem almost Hebrew. Very Cool - Very Definate and clear. I even sing in worship. The Holy Spirit just Rocks...that is all I can say! How amazing!
Sid Roth had a segment on the origins of our prayer language and his co-producer, I forget her name -I believe her language is French Hebrew from a lost tribe. She spoke and it was beautiful.
I began to ask God. I would love to just know the origin. I am sure the enemy would like that info too, so for now, I am great with the mystery.
Think of Tongues as a Turbo Boost from Heaven to your prayers!! It is like Rocket Fuel!
Lord, I plead for my Ritan brothers and sisters in Christ right now to be baptized in the Fire of the Holy Spirit with Blazing Tongues. Lord, Jesus, you know how much we will need this supernatural gift in these last days. Sweep this gift through the Computer Waves so each one of the Believers Walk in the Annointing! In Jesus Name.....Bless You Father We Love You and Cry Out to You!!! Amen.1 vote of thanks [Jan]
David, I've seen that video on youtube. That is very interesting!
user234x, it doesn't come immediate? That's good for me than. There's still hope!
His new creation: That's great that the praying in tounges helped your daughter! It does sound like it came from the Flinstone episode. Sadly, even Satan can taint something good. Like that bad episode you mentioned and that little demon...oops alien Gazoo. Satan/his demons come as angels of light. That must include on innocent children's cartoons. Atleast there's one good thing.
The children will be kept safe in the rapture! Praise Jesus! They won't feel anymore abuse or fear.They'll live with Jesus forever! It'll take atleast 6 months before another child will be on the earth! There's atleast 9 or 10 kids I know (well one is in the womb and another is related but I never met her) that's going! Praise Jesus! It'll be awesome when you guys get to meet them!
Forgive me if that's off topic, I'm just excited they will go up with us! Praise Jesus!
To answer the original post:
This is only what I was taught, but it seems to differ from what most believe here on this site. I know certain Christian denominations also believe what's been professed here, as well (pentacostal, for example). Differences in interpretation are bound to happen, but the goal is to search the Scriptures to verify any teaching. I'll share what I was taught and later verified in the NT. You'll have to pray about this and see what the Spirit tells you, however.
Paul addressed three specific gifts in I Corinthians that had became more highly valued in the Corinthian church over the other gifts: prophecy, knowledge and languages (called tongues in the English from King James' time). All of these will have an end. To quote the notes in my New King James' Version for I Cor 13:
"There may be a distinction made on how prophecy and knowledge come to an end, and how the gift of languages does. This is indicated by the Greek verb forms used. In the case of prophecy and knowledge, they are both said to 'be abolished' (in both cases the verb indicates that something will put an end to those two functions). Verses 9, 10 indicate that what will abolish knowledge and prophecy is 'that which is perfect.' When that occurs, those gifts will be rendered inoperative. The 'perfect' is not the completion of Scripture, since there is still the operation of those two gifts and will be in the future kingdom (Joel 2:28; Acts 2:17; Rev 11:3). The Scriptures do not allow us to see 'face-to-face' or have perfect knowledge as God does (verse 12). The 'perfect' is not the rapture of the Church or the second coming of Christ, since the kingdom to follow these events will have an abundance of preachers and teachers [thus knowledge, for one, is needed to teach] (Is 29:18, 32:3; Joel 2:28; Rev 11:3). The 'perfect' must be the eternal state, when we in glory see God face-to-face (Rev 22:4) and have full knowledge in the eternal new heavens and new earth. Just as a child grows to full understanding, believers will come to perfect knowledge and no such gifts will be necessary.
On the other hand, Paul uses a different word [Greek is precise] for the end of the gift of languages, thus indicating it will 'cease' by itself, as it did at the end of the apostolic age. It will not end by the coming of the 'perfect,' for it will have already ceased. The uniqueness of the gift of languages and its interpretations was, as all sign gifts, to authenticate the message ane messengers of the gospel before the NT was completed (Heb 2:3, 4). 'Tongues' was also limited by being a judicial sign from the God of Israel's judgment (I Cor 14:22). 'Tongues' were also not a sign to believers, but unbelievers, specifically those unbelieving Jews. Tongues also ceased because there was no need to verify the true messages from God once the Scripture was given. It [Scripture] bcame the standard by which all are to be deemed true. 'Tongues' was a means of edification in a way far inferior to preaching and teaching (14:5, 12, 27, 28). In fact, chapter 14 was designed to show the Corinthians, so preoccupied with tongues, that it was an inferior means of communication (verses 1-12), an inferior means of praise (verses 13-19), and an inferior means of evangelism (verses 20-25). Prophecy was, and is, far superior (verses 1, 3-6, 24, 29, 31, 39). That tongues have ceased should be clear from their absence from any other books in the NT, except Acts. Tongues ceased to be an issue of record or practice in the early Church, as the Scripture was being written. That tongues hjas ceased should also be clear from its absence through church history since the first century, appearing only sporadically and then only in questionable groups.
Since Paul has addressed not not desiring showy gifts (12:31) and not elevating one over the other (12:14-25), some might think it best to set them all aside for unity's sake. Spiritual gifts, on the other hand, are soveriegnly bestowed by God on each believer and necessary for the building of the Church (12:1-10). Desire for them, in this context, is in reference to their use collectively and faithfully in His service--not a personal yearning to have an admired gift that one did not possess...[For verses 2-39:] Although it is not indicated consistently in some translations, the distinction between the singular tongue and the plural tongues is foundational to the proper interpretation of this chapter. Paul seems to use the singular to distinguish the conterfeit gift of pagan gibberish [note: estatically repeating one word or phrase over and over, likened to a clanging cymbal in Scripture] and the plural to indicate the genuine gift of a foreign language. The singular is used for pagan estatic speech because gibberish can't be plural; there are not various kinds of non-language or gibberish. There are, however, various languages; hence, Paul uses the plural to make the distinction (verses 6, 18, 22, 23, 29). Exceptions exist when one person is speaking one language (verses 13, 27, 28). The Bible records no incident of any believer ever speaking to God in any other than normal human language. The carnal Corinthians using the conterfeit estactic speech of paganism were not interested in being understood, but in making a dramatic display [something Jesus taught against]. The spirit by which they spoke was not the Holy Spirit, but their own human spirit or a demon. They were prizing this gift for reasons of self-edification and pride-induced emotion. The only purpose tongues renders to the Cuch is when it is interpreted. Whenever God gave the gift of languages, He also gave the gift of translation, so that the sign would also be edifying. Any private use of this gift is excluded for several reasons: (1) it was a sign to unbelievers (verse 22); (2)it must have a translator to have any meaning, even to the speaker (verse 2); and (3) it must edify the Church (verse 6).
Finally, this gift is not the result of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We all receive the baptism at the moment of salvation, followed by His indwelling us, bestowing spiritual gifts, and sealing us (I Cor 12:13).
I do not mean to cause any dischord by this. I'm just concerned. I know this will upset folks for a variety of reasons, and I'm sorry for that. My intention is only to try and correct what might be incorrect teaching.1 vote of thanks [Shellayne]
Thank you, Reborn, for your very thoughtful post. My husband and I have been going round and round on this for a while, so this is very timely for me. Your post supports his view, but I have believed that all the gifts are for always. I have to admit that you laid it out very succintly and scripturally--better than my husband, who gets so frustrated trying to talk with me about this LOL. I obviously need to do much more study on the matter. If I am in error, I surely want to know. :/
I also have to admit that those I have heard speak in tongues (I do not have the gift, but I have heard it from others), speak in some unintelligable language, and my husband has repeatedly and quite emphatically --to put it mildly--told me that it is a real language that the person speaking does not know, not some language only known to that person. I was under the belief that there could be some sort of spiritual language, is that incorrect? So again, you have me thinking, which is a good thing. I agree with you that we, as born-again Christians, are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, so when we pray we pray in the Spirit automatically, and this isn't some extra step in our praying. I get that. But if this isn't biblical, then what? I know some people that are born-again Christians, who practice this regularly. They pray in tongues and call it their God language. I have never doubted that this was biblical; maybe I should ask them where that is in Scripture. This definitely calls for discernment and humility.
Wow. You have given me a lot of food for thought and much to study. I need to do more reading on this, and only look to the Bible. Thank you for pointing to the Scripture I need to study and pray about. This has rattled my cage (and seems to be happening a lot lately), but maybe I needed it?
Although it is not indicated consistently in some translations, the distinction between the singular tongue and the plural tongues is foundational to the proper interpretation of this chapter. Paul seems to use the singular to distinguish the conterfeit gift of pagan gibberish [note: estatically repeating one word or phrase over and over, likened to a clanging cymbal in Scripture] and the plural to indicate the genuine gift of a foreign language. The singular is used for pagan estatic speech because gibberish can't be plural; there are not various kinds of non-language or gibberish. There are, however, various languages; hence, Paul uses the plural to make the distinction (verses 6, 18, 22, 23, 29). Exceptions exist when one person is speaking one language (verses 13, 27, 28). The Bible records no incident of any believer ever speaking to God in any other than normal human language.
For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. 1 Corinthians 14:2
I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified. 1 Corinthians 14:5
I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 1 Corinthians 14:18
Every time the subject of tongues comes up, controversy arises. Our purpose is not primarily to focus upon particular spiritual gifts but to watch for the coming of Christ. However, I do not find any justification for your claim that the gift of tongues was a "counterfeit gift of pagan gibberish." If that were so, why would Paul say that he spoke in tongues more than any of the Corinthians? Why would he say that "anyone who speaks in a tongue...speaks to God"?
As for the use of the singular, would that not make sense as one can only speak in one tongue at a time?
I see you have cited 1 Corinthians 14:18 as a proof-text. Does it really seem to you that Paul was not referring to the same thing the Corinthians were practicing, which he did himself?
Finally, this gift is not the result of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
If you had said it is not the proof of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, then I might have agreed with you.
The spirit by which they spoke was not the Holy Spirit, but their own human spirit or a demon.
I find that incorrect and offensive. It bothers me none the least if you do not practice speaking in tongues, but I believe your judgment on its validity to be in error.
Thank You David R. I was going to contact Jan and a few others.
The Inference Was that I and many others are demon possessed....
David R...You are an extreme blessing and you speak with great discernment. Thank you for watching over this site.
So many will be discouraged by some of these posts.
I know what God has Done for me and anyone can find the truth that they choose to in scripture to go against God's Gifts.
I studied Spiritual Formation in Seminary. This argument would pretty much nullify my Masters studies in Divinity. You summed it up perfectly so I don't need to post my lengthy arguments. Thank You!!
I am praying for everyone on this Site for us all to walk in the Fullness of Christ!
Thank you David R for bringing this back to normality.
Goodness... People really need to be careful with the doctrine they hear. The Bible is very plain about speaking in tongues. I don't know what people are confused about.
Shellayne, dear sister. Please be careful with what you hear. If you cannot speak in tongues, that's okay. It takes some believers a while for it to happen. No big deal, but lets not take out of context the simplicity of what the word says about speaking in tongues.
Reborn, lets focus only on what the word says and not on paganism...
Jude 1:20 - Tells us to pray in the Holy Ghost, building ourselves up in our most Holy faith.
Sorry, but I find a lot of the points made in this post totally and unecessarily diverting away from scripture. I find that certain points people have made have almost torn apart what scripture is saying. Tongues is not just a spiritual gift, but it is also a language for every born again believer. We all have the ability to speak it, it just takes a while for others to tap into it. It just comes upon people at certain times, or sometimes people "get it" straight away.
Many do not receive it due to unbelief and being skeptical about it.
Jesus always said "let it be done according to your own faith"."Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth
another hath fulfilled the law." ~ Romans 13:8
Forgive me everyone if I made anyone stumble.with this topic...I learned the hard way that talking about speaking in tounges devides the Body of Christ (I asked on another forum and that discussion got closed).
I see that it causes division. I don't want anyone on here offended because of a discussion I put.
David, if you want you can close this. Pray and see what the Lord wants you to do first.... It's better that way than anymore division to happen. We're supposed to be united...
Sorry everyone. Forgive me...1 vote of thanks [needle me]
Thank you, Robert for your take on this. Tongues is always a hot topic and I agree that I would rather talk about and share my thoughts about our Savior's soon coming. When we all meet together in heaven, we won't even have to think about the validity of speaking in tongues etc etc. Our very thoughts will be transmitted to Jesus and who knows, we my even need a spoken language to get our thoughts across.
I am thankful that those in our group feel comfortable to ask a question like the original post here by My Rock in Christ. And I'm thankful for you mods that bring wise counsel.
And as my grandmother used to say.... "in a hundred years, what will it matter?"
My Rock, Don't let the enemy beat you up! We are here to support one another. We are here to build up Christ!
Please be encouraged. Discussions sometimes lead to division but, take heart God always has the last word...Amen!
You stay steady in your quest. Like Kasely said, God has really already given you this ability...you have it. Just be in prayer!
You read how long it took me. I was skeptical too. That sometimes happens with those who don't have this. It is important that we never look down on eachother for having or not having something, but in all things encourage.
What a blessing for all of us that Paul was obedient to God. In prison, his prayer language must have given him great comfort.
Take Heart My Friend & Great Blessings be upon you!!
My Rock Is Christ, you've done nothing wrong. Sometimes these discussions are okay I think. There is no division. I think it just gets a bit weird when scripture is distorted for no reason. I know it's not peoples intention, though. I think we all just need to be careful with what we hear and take the word exactly as it is and as it is written right before our eyes.
1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1 Corinthians 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
!Corinthians 14:14-15 <sup class="versenum"> 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.<sup class="versenum"> 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than you all:
1Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Jude 20 But ye, beloved, building up yourself on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost
Glory to The Lamb,
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