There is a current popular bible code on the Hercolubus website for this coming "inbound object" predicted to take place on September 16, 2012-you guessed it! The eve of the feast of trumpets on the 29th of Elul on the jewish calendar!

The bible code also says that it will take place in the jewish year of 5772 or 2012; and this code is found in the Torah Law of Moses between the Numbers chapters from 24 through 30 Matrix!

We also have another jewish bible scholar by the name of Glazerson who has a comet or asteroid coming toward earth in this year 2012 in another or the same bible code!

We are already halfway through the year so we do not have but a few short months to go-not even that if the rapture is sometime before the fall feasts in September 2012 or on the feast of trumpets!

Then to top this off in the inbound object department-there is a possible other source on youtube Hummingbird027 of this inbound asteroid trajectory entitled "Israel brace for attack, planet X returns, maps of future submerged world"!

On the map in this video we see that this inbound object is out near planet Neptune and in August 2012 it is headed closer to the inner planets as it will possibly turn away from the sun in February 2013 and will be going outbound by then.

Then on this skyview website, with this recently discovered Kuiper Belt Object again somewhere near the Neptune planet!

Well I got to thinking where will earth be in relation to the closest constellation on this next 188 day cycle pattern when all three are in alignment?

To my surprise the Aquarius constellation is out past the earth in the month of August and September of 2012!

This would mean that the planet Nibiru will most likely be coming inbound in the Aquarian constellation since this is where the planet Neptune is located at and both are in the same location!

This is just now at the right time for those major earthquakes to start triggering again around the time of this next 188 day cycle on September 26, 2012 or the feast of atonement!

The 188 day alignment will have the Earth on the side of the Sun where the magnetic pull will be coming from the Sun on one end of this alignment and then the Earth will be in the middle of this alignment and then the constellation of Aquarius with the inbound object near Neptune on the other end of this three point alignment!

This inbound object that is coming possibly through the solar system past Neptune in Aquarius and is headed toward the Sun for a safe distant bypass and is then to swing around the Sun and out again for maybe another couple of thousand years or more; could possibly be that same object that passed our way during Noah's day when it caused the Flood upon the earth and the earth's axis to shift 23 degrees!!

I had just watched a show on TV about an asteroid that exploded a few thousands of years ago up in Ausrria, Europe; and it's fiery debris fell as far south into the area of Israel where Sodom and Gomorrah were situated; this asteroid was a true event but whether it was the judgment used by God to destroy those sinful cities is left for more debate!

But what I came away from this TV presentation was with the possibility of an asteroid exploding in our atmosphere and causing a fiery shower of rock or ice to fall over an area of land and sea mass that could describe the events taking place in Revelation 6:12-17 and Revelation 8: 1-5!

In fact, the sixth seal judgment in Revelation 6:12 has a major earthquake being triggered by some X factor; which seems to have a series of astronomical events following this initial judgment.

The scripture in Revelation does not tell us what triggers this Great Earthquake under the sixth seal but it is followed by fiery debris falling from the sky!

Could an asteroid or some cometary debris cloud surrounding this inbound planet or rock be the means that God will use to set off or loosen the tetonic plate on this sixth seal judgment?

Another amazing thing about this next 188 day cycle--it is on the side of the Sun where the earthquakes are less major in magnitude then on the other side when this inbound object was earlier in the Leo Constellation!

It just dawned on me!! That maybe this is the reason that the last two 188 day cycles have been milder then previous cycles; because this inbound object has been moving around and has not stayed in the Leo constellation but has moved on and is now coming around to this Aquarius constellation for the next coming 188 day cycle!

But now it seems this inbound object has reached the area of Neptune in the constellation of Aquarius and the earth which is on a shorter orbit has caught up with it on the same side of the Sun and that this time instead of the earth and Sun being in direct alignment with the inbound object in Leo; it has come around and now the earth is in the center of this alignment with the Sun and earth and inbound object in the Aquarius constellation!!

You almost need a map to figure the orbital paths of the Sun and earth and this inbound object out!

In the past the Leo constellation was where this inbound object had been finding its pathway through and the earth had been traveling around the Sun and when the earth was between this object in Leo and the Sun there were mega earthquakes triggered and when the earth was further away or 188 days later on the cycle the quakes were less mega and yet major when the Earth and Sun and Leo were again in alignment!!

Now that this inbound object has come around past the earth and now with our planet in the middle of this alignment; we see the possibility of a much stronger mega earthquake as a result of the earth coming between the Sun and this inbound object in the Aquarius constellation where also the Planet Neptune is located which is having it's own orbital path interruped by the pull of this Nibiru planet according to Nasa officials!

Let me break this down for you in a more simpler manner:
When this Nibiru object was in the Leo costellation and the Earth was in the center of this Sun-Earth-Leo Alignment-there were mega earthquakes as a result; such as in the Chile February 27, 2010 and the Japan March 11, 2011 Mega Earthquakes!

Then when the Earth was on the outside of this alignment where the order was Earth-Sun-Object in Leo; then the earthquakes were major in magnitude-as was seen in the New Zealand September 4, 2010 and the Fiji September 15, 2011 Major Earthquakes.

It was during this last 188 day cycle where the maga earthquake was off by 22 days as with the twin mega quakes on the same day in Sumatra on April 11, 2012; even though there was a major earthquake on this 188 day cycle date in Mexico but it was not as severe as was expected!

This may account for the Nibiru object moving out of the Leo Constellation and going on its own trajectory path through the stars until it is now coming through the Aquarius constellation with the Earth catching up to it on a much smaller and shorter orbital path around the Sun!

It looks like the pieces of the puzzle on this Nibiru object are starting to come together with the help of the 188 day pattern cycle-to tell you the truth I believe this 188 day pattern is helping us discover or calibrate how this Nibiru object is moving inbound within our solar system!

Just like you cannot see the results of the wind on objects unless there is movement; same with this Nibiru object out in space; it is having a profound effect on our earth's tetonic plates whenever earth and the sun come into alignment with wherever this inbound object finds itself in any of the 12 major contellations out in space during every one of these 188 day pattern cycles!

For some reason this Nibiru object went from the Leo constellation to the Aquarius constellation from September 2011 to this coming September 2012; and on September 26, 2012 the Earth will again be inside this main alignment which may trigger another mega earthquake!

Let me finish with an amazing set of facts that I see in all the calendar month/day of these 188 day earthquakes:

1) February 27, 2010-Chile 8.8

2) September 4, 2010-New Zealand 7.0

3) March 11, 2011-Japan 9.0

4) September 15, 2011- Fiji 7.3

5) March 21, 2012- Mexico 7.2

6) September 26, 2012--????? 4th Corner ring of fire??

The spring cycle 188 day earthquakes are all 11 days apart, but not counting the days between the cycles-->

1) Feb. 27--Chile

11 DAYS

3) March 11-Japan

11 DAYS

5) March 21- Mexico

The Autumn cycle 188 day earthquakes are 11 days apart, not counting the days between the cycles:

2) Sept. 4-New Zealand

11 Days

4) Sept. 15-Fiji

11 Days

6)Sept. 26- ??? 4th Corner???

If this Nibiru object is really out there now in the Aquarian constellation where the Planet Neptune's orbit is being effected by it's presence; then when earth moves into this next alignment with the Sun-Earth-Nibiru In Aquarius on September 26, 2012 alignment ---->Then it could really be a major, if not mega tetonic event!!!

Again let me remind you if this Nibiru is truly out there and the information we are receiving are from reliable sources; then I really think that we are truely getting ready to see the start of the final seven year countdown.

The watchers will keep us posted as we draw near to the departure zone!

For some reason the scripture in Luke 21:28 tells us to maybe literally "LIFT UP OUR HEADS" to observe our soon sign of redemption.
The sign of our soon redemption may very well be an observable sign in the heavens with this possible Nibiru object in the Aquarius constellation!

This truely may be the dawning of the age of Aquarius for the world!

Thanks Remnant for your support! I also enjoy reading your insightful posts and replies that always have some good meat to chew on for food for thought!!

Maybe Rita Now could open up a Buffet Diner and we all can just bring a pot luck dinner!

Sometimes my posts come with some leftovers and you need to warm them up in the microwave oven!

WOW, Scott! Thank you!

Lots of good info, and I appreciate all of your research. Many still say Nibiru is not biblical - the name Nibiru may not be, but the idea of a large celestial object affecting earth is.

You know how they say, "truth is stranger than fiction"? This is simply one of those things. And the idea of a rogue planet has been put out in plain sight as well; movies, books, etc.
Have you seen the movie Melancholia? If you haven't, PLEASE do. I'm sorry to say it is pretty boring and a little strange, especially the beginning, but you may receive some insight and different perspective from watching it.
There have also been a lot of people who have had visions or dreams about a large unknown celestial object. Collectively, I think the Lord is trying to warn people, and He is using believers and non-believers to do it.

"...Could possibly be that same object that passed our way during Noah's day when it caused the Flood upon the earth and the earth's axis to shift 23 degrees!!"
I have NEVER heard this before! Interesting. Is it biblical?

Asteroids and fire balls falling upon the earth, this is something else that many have had dreams and visions about. I have had several very vivid dreams about fire balls falling in my backyard and I lead my family into our basement for saftey.
What does all of this mean? I REALLY wish I new.

For the earthquakes, I feel in my spirit we are on the verge of a devastating one. Maybe the one that happens at our Departure?

I'm SO ready to go Home!

Thank you, Scott!

Nicole xo

Hello Scott,

The event on the 26th september,

I think it will be the eruption of 3 vulcanic islands and trigger a massive titlewave hitting the east and west coast of the USA.

1: Hawaii erupting and sending a title wave on the west coast
2: Bermuda and the Cannary Islands erupting and sending a title wave on the east coast.

The pattern of Conceptione / Christ church / Sendai / Bermuda / Canary Islands and Hawaii is the exact same pattern and the distances between the locations and angles match the constelation Libra, and Libra = Judgement.

The first 3 mayor events where presented by Elenin and the last 3 by planet X

I believe the Lord let's us see that a part of his judgement he will do thrue the constelation of Libra.

So when you do a projection of Libra on Google earth, you get the earthquake pattern

I explain it all in my video's

this one from 1:20 min

Hey Scott,

Thanks for replying,

It's all realy simple, and Libra does exactly match the pattern of the six earthquake locations.

Just go to Stellarium and enlarge Libra to the maximum size and do a measurement in centimeters of all the distances between the stars.

Then you go to Google earth and do a measurement in kilometers from Conceptione to Christ Church and from Christ church to Sendai.

Now divide from these 2 distances in Google in km by the distance in cm in Stellarium.

Then you get a number, like 350 for example, the next thing is to meassure the other sides on Libra and these sides in cm you do x 350 = the number of kilometers in Google earth.

I did this study back in 2011 and did a remeasurement for several times and every time it matches.

Just inmagine God's view on earth from deep in the universe and he sees from behind Libra and from his position bihind Libra he projects Libra onto earth and thats the pattern.

Gandalf, don't forget that as little as 600 years ago the church would have pronounced you a heretic if you believed the earth was anything than flat - the Bible does not say there is a Planet X, but it doesn't say there's NOT one out there either...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_(Babylonian_astronomy)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marduk

Nibiru is a winged star and symbol of the Babylonian god Marduk. Marduk was also known to the Babylonians as Bel (meaning lord, their supreme god).
Your Bible calls him Baal.

About 99.9% of what you read online, in blogs and see in youtube videos about Nibiru is actually based on this new age writers philosophy. I've seen a lot of Christians on various rapture boards posting almost word for word stuff that was circulating in on new age web sites about ten years ago and most of it is based on really bad science and pure fiction and fantasy. For example people using google infrared to look where Nibiru is now when the google sky web site says all of the infrared images were taken by a satellite that was only in service in 1983 and none of the google sky images are real time. It can be proven irrefutably that Nibiru is an occult teaching tied to the deification of Nimrod and Semiramis, and in the Babylonian religion is there version of the second coming of Nimrod as the god Marduk (Baal).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin
Zecharia Sitchin whose work is mostly derivative from Erich von Däniken
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_Däniken

Both authors writings are highly used in New Age circles as a basis for aliens being behind mans evolution.

Some of you are getting sucked into this new age, Nibiru nonsense because you're lacking in knowledge about the Babylonian religious origins of the Nibiru teaching and misusing the Bible codes as a divination tool to forecast the future.

You don't need to use your Bible like a secret code book to decipher or spin it backwards like an Ozzy Osbourne record looking for a subliminal hidden messages, when it's message of salvation can be read in the plain text and it's author and message was lifted up on the cross for the whole world to see.

Wormwood is not the Nibiru myth, and wormwood has zero connection to the rapture, because it is a tribulation event and not at all what the Bible means by "signs in the heavens".

And there is no truth at all in Nibiru or Planet X, it's something that really sprung to life out of occult radio shows, such as Art Bell/ Coast to Coast Am and Rense.com, which do nothing but instill a spirit of fear in people.

Even though I too have dreamt of some kind of large fireball thing heading straight for earth,
I agree it always important to use spirit of discernment. Honestly don't know about nibiru/ planet X phenomenon, but Thank you God that we have each other here to keep us on our toes when in doubt !

For these commands are a lamp, this teaching is a light, and the corrections of discipline are the way to life,
Proverbs 6:23

But isn't it the Holy Spirits job to lead us into all truth? Just saying...sometimes believers try to play Holy Ghost jr and it comes off wrong. Just saying....

Anyways...

God bless~

Where did i say that the Holy Spirit leads us into pagan lies? *scratching head* Also, i have never stated anywhere on this topic what my belief is on what they was discussing...I just feel that the way you go about trying to get "your" point across can be done in a way that doesn't come off so harsh. Simple as that.

Anyways, I believe this is where i smile and leave the conversation.

Be blessed~

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. Let's be gentle with each other, shall we?

I did find the pagan origins of the name Nibiru interesting. I don't usually bother reading posts about it, but this one was more active than usual. Our dear brothers are searching all possible areas hoping for a glance at the timing of the Lord's return. They are doing it out of love for Him. Please be gentle in imparting your wisdom. I don't like my family squabling.

Seeing signs of the future predicted in falling stars or planets, eclipses etc. is actually an occult practice prohibited in the Bible as is seeing every little random dream as a sign from God about the future.

There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Deuteronomy 18:10 KJV

scroll down to the commentaries here:
http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/18-10.htm

and look at the explanations of "observer of times" (some translations have this as one who interprets omens and dreams)

Clarke's Commentary on the Bible:
Observer of times - מעונן meonen, one who pretends to foretell future events by present occurrences, and who predicts great political or physical changes from the aspects of the planets, eclipses, motion of the clouds, etc., etc. See on Genesis 41:8 (note).

The rapture has no signs, no hints, no clues. It's a surprise event and is not mentioned at all in Matthew Chapter 24 or Luke Chapter 21. Both chapters state explicitly that Jesus is telling the apostles the answer to their questions- When will the temple be destroyed? What will be the sign of your coming and end of the age?

As for signs in the heavens Jesus explained clearly what that really means and when those signs will occur:

"But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.~Matthew 24:29
That is the sign in the heavens that Jesus said to look for regarding his Second Coming, not the rapture, and Jesus makes it crystal clear those signs in the heavens take place after the tribulation, not before it. Genesis 1:14. Joel 2:31. Luke 21:25 Isaiah 13:10 are all referring to this event which heralds Jesus' second coming after the tribulation.

If there were a planet out there causing earthquakes it would have to be so close to earth you would see it in the sky as clearly as you see the moon. Even as big as the planet Jupiter is compared to Earth, at the distance it is to the Earth its gravitational force is far too weak to cause an earthquake on Earth.

People working for Satan know the truth? Seriously?
Satan is not all knowing and himself didn't even know the truth and had to ask Jesus if he was the Son of God.

As far as Wormwood:
Matthew 24:29 states "the powers of heaven will be shaken"
Ephesians 6:12 explains what the powers of heaven are, fallen angels that will not be kicked out of heaven completely until Satan is cast down mid trib as described in Revelation 12.
The term angel and star are often interchangeable in the Bible.
Job 38 tells how the morning stars (angels) sang upon seeing God create the Earth Job 38:7

Wormwood, in Revelation 8, like Apollyon, in Revelation 9, are stars (angels).
Notice the pattern in Revelation 8, one of God's angels sounds a trumpet (a battle charge) and something is cast down (Revelation 12:12)

When these angel are cast from heaven they take their wrath out on the inhabitants of the Earth. (Revelation 12:12)
When Wormwood is cast down from heaven, he poisons the waters of the Earth.
When Apollyon is cast down, he is given keys last seen in Jesus' hands and looses creatures from the pit to torment the wicked on Earth, in the same way God sent destroying angels to Sodom and Gomorrah, and upon the people of Egypt. The mountain cast down and tossed into the sea in Revelation 8 is what Jesus was referring to in Matthew 21:21, the tearing down of principalities and powers in heavenly places.

People keep looking for natural or man made things to explain the destruction described in the tribulation- a comet hitting the earth, nuclear war, the 200 million man army is China etc. but they fail to consider the ramifications of Revelation 12. The war between good and bad angels gets so intense it visibly spills over onto the earth. Ever read the description of the locusts or 200 million man army that is lead by four fallen angels currently bound at the river Euphrates? Those are not mere bugs John describes, and that's not a human army. It's a horde of demons and fallen angels visibly run amuck on earth.

Throughout the Bible when something is purely symbolic you are immediately told: Daniel was told by an angel what his vision of the 4 beasts symbolized, Pharaoh's dream of the 7 fat and lean cattle explained, Jesus tells you the parable is not an actual farmer sowing seeds, John is told by an angel the woman riding the beast is an image of 7 kingdoms, etc.

When there's no explanation of the symbolism, it's literal.
4 fallen angels stomping over middle east with 200 million of their kind in tow. If one angel can slay 180,000 men in the old testament (Isaiah 37:36), imagine the destruction all of the fallen angels loose on earth will do over 3.5 years.

No worries Scott. I didn't feel any harshness from anyone.
And even thought some thought I was being harsh, I wasn't.
Harshness from me usually means an orc is getting it's skull cracked open with my staff.
( I probably should add for those not familiar with LOTR "orc" is the elvish word for demon in the story)

TN Dove, as I've mentioned before anything the size / mass of a star coming into the solar system would cause perturbations of orbits that all the astronomers should notice. In addition, we have thousands of amateur astronomers around the world who live to make new discoveries they can name. Many of the small comets coming into the system have been picked up by these guys. Stars are a lot easier to see than comets or asteroids.

Do you think you would notice if your neighbor got a pet elephant? I think of this theory the same way. Things that big get noticed quickly, unless they are coming in very quickly in a straight line so there is no perceived motion. The problem with that is anything planet sized or certainly star sized that approached earth quickly in a straight line wouldn't pollute the fresh water streams. It would vaporize the planet.

I lean more towards Gandalf's view that these stars may very well be angelic messengers of God's wrath, empowered for their specific task. Alternatively, they'll likely be coming in so quickly that they will only be detected at the last minute. In either case we won't be seeing them this early in the game.

Seriously?
Truth is truth and even the pagans can find it, just because they have channeled the "spirits" to get them doesn't make it less true.
You really believe that or that Jesus would endorse such crap? Trance channelers in the bible were called mediums, it is a form of demon possession. It's allowing another entity to take over your body and speak through you and it's a practice found in the new age religion.

The devil/Satan/Lucifer is described by Jesus, more than anything else, as a liar. He has no truth in him, and is skilled at lying, and convincing people to listen to his lies.
The idea that you can find truth in the things of Satan is not only ludicrous it flies in the face of everything Jesus said, and what motivated Paul to write most of his letters. Seriously, some of you people might as well just get up in Jesus' face and call Him a liar.

Looking for truth in the Babylonian myth of Nibiru is no different than expecting to find truth in the lie Lucifer told to Adam and Eve in the Garden.

The church turning to myths and mixing the teachings of myths is exactly what Paul wrote the majority of his epistles about.
In the letters to those who went to predominantly Greek cities (Ephesus, Thessalonia, Corinth, etc) newly converted Christians were mingling the teachings of pagan religions and their worship of many gods with Christianity. In those epistles you can find Paul countering beliefs that today are found in the New Age faith.

Romans 1:18-23 says of those who turn to the complex mythological beliefs systems of idolatry that they are fools:

Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.-Roman 1:12-23

I've seen so many Christian try to quote just Romans 1:22
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
as if it were God saying he is against science but that verse is a fragment of sentence.

The full sentence says that those who believe in these systems of idolatry (myths) are idiots/fools.

God is not against science. In fact Romans 1:18-23 encourages people to study science, to study the things that have been made (creation/the universe) to find proof of God.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. Romans 1:18-23

This turning to myth and wrongly dividing the word was a problem back in Jesus and Paul's time and it's still a problem in the church to this day.

2 Timothy 4:1-5 deal precisely with this issue:
In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage —with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

Some in the church are so desperate for the rapture to happen they are grasping at any straw they can find, even if it's an outright lie birthed in practices such as idolatry condemned in the Bible and thus getting caught up in self delusion. They do this to suit their own desires not to seek truth, and thus seek out preachers who will tell them what they want to hear and turn aside from truth to myths.
They even flat out ignore what Jesus said. By doing this they do something else, the give false hope. People get all excited about some possible rapture date, and then when it doesn't happen, it makes believers lose credibility in the eyes of the world and thus make it even harder to share the good news about what Jesus accomplished on the cross. Why should a non-Christian listen to these people, when all these possible dates they suggested for the rapture always turn into nothing.

Nibiru is a myth. It's part of an ancient myth in Babylonian idolatry, that turned Nimrod into a god. The idea that one would turn to Babylonian idolatry and not Jesus flies directly in the face of the things Jesus said in John 14:6 (I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.) You cannot get to heaven or the rapture via Babylonian idolatry.

The passage in 2 Timothy 4:1-5 also challenges believers to "keep their head in all situations", to be logical, yet turning to Nibiru for truth is not keeping your head. since Nibiru is a lie, it doesn't exist.

It's really sad to see so many Christians getting caught up in this self deluding behavior because they are rejecting truth and turning to youtube vids, something they read on a blog, or conspiracy theory web site etc. without a clue that the entire Nibiru myth revival is birthed out of the New Age movement. In the past few years, Christians have latched onto this doomsday scenario, not having a clue that New Agers have had the exact same thing in their books since the 1800s. This is stuff that was taught by Helena Blavatsky, Aleister Crowley and more.

It's also sad and kind of pathetic to see the pure ignorance in some Christians who make claims such as Google Sky shows where Nibiru/ Elenin etc. is now in it's infrared mode, when the About page on Google Sky says all of the images it displays in infrared mode come from a satellite that was only in service in 1983.
This site explains accurately and in detail what actually happened with the infrared satellite in 1983 that launched all this Planetx, Nibiru, mystery celestial objects causing earthquakes nonsense:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/science.html

I'd rather be harsh and speak up for truth and shatter some of your self delusions than let all of you keep on your errors. That's what that passage in 2 Timothy 4 says to do. Read Roman's 1:24-32 it explains the consequences of the error in looking into things birthed in idolatry for truth and not looking to Jesus.

You're not going to find truth by looking into pagan lies Lucifer invented to create false religions and lead people away from God and Jesus. To be as blunt as I can be, if you are doing that you might as well just go fishing in a toilet bowl because what you are going to find is going to be identical to the contents of that toilet bowl.

I've actually been reading this site for quite sometime, and to be honest I am shocked at how many of you wrongly divide the word of God.
I can easily tell that a lot of your errors come from reading by verse numbers, where you are only getting fragments of a complete sentence or just a bit of larger concept that can only be grasped by reading the full chapter.

I would urge all of you to educate yourself about what the new age religion teaches, because a lot of you on this board are inadvertently practicing and believing in the things from that religion without even realizing it.

Looking at some of your posts I see a lot of bad science, excessive dream interpreting, numerology (using verse numbers, dates etc. as signs), thinking every little thing is an omen or sign when Jesus said a foolish (see Romans1) and adulterous (spiritually unfaithful/lacking truth) generation looks for signs, things from Jewish Mysticism and the Kabbalah (bible codes, gematria)-these are all occult practices, and show a lack of faith.

New Age beliefs closely resemble Christianity and because of that a lot of Christian easily get sucked into it.

But seriously when a Christian says you can find truth from trance channelers/listening to a medium, a form of divination clearly prohibited in the bible there is something very wrong here.

2 Timothy 4:1-5 Says to both rebuke and encourage. For the person giving the rebuke to do it patiently and with careful (detailed) instructions.

I've encouraged you to seek out the truth and stop turning to BS and lies. I've been patient in that I have been willing to put up with some of your nonsense arguments that completely fly in the face of what Jesus and Paul taught. And the detailed instructions are there for those who really want truth and to get out from under the lies of trance channelers / mediums. (Seriously, never thought I would see people endorsing finding truth from trance channelers on a Christian message board. That's just royally messed up.)

A rebuke is harsh. That is it's defintion:
reprimand, reproach, scold, admonish, reprove, chastise, upbraid, berate, take to task, criticize, censure; informal-tell off, give someone a talking-to, give someone a dressing-down, give someone an earful, chew out, ream out; formal-castigate. Antonym of praise.

Love is not tolerance, or coddling someone who is in error. Love is telling them the Truth regardless of of the consequences or how it makes them feel.

Every look at some of the things Jesus said when he rebuked people for not having truth and believing lies? He was downright rude to the Pharisees. And if that's what I have to do to snap some of you out of your self delusion and getting lost in things not of God, then I will do it. (Assuming the mods don't ban me for telling it like it is.)

God is not against science. Those measurable and consistent rules of physics, chemistry etc. exist because God authored them. But some of you need to get your science facts about what planetary bodies can do to each other from better sources than blogs and conspiracy theory web site rumor mills about the end of the world.

You know what Jesus had to say about the rapture?
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you.
I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Don't ignore the: If this wasn't true I would have told you.
Jesus wants you to simply have faith that he told the truth.

John 6:28-29.
Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

You don't need to go exploring the Babylonian idolatry, myths, and astrology that were tied to the building of the Tower of Babel to find the truth Jesus wanted you to see. You simply need to trust him, have faith. Luke even asks the question: Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Jesus is looking for faith. That's a huge part of the trigger for the rapture. Maybe I will explain more on that latter.
But if some of you prefer to go on seeking after teachers who will scratch your itchy ears and keep serving you lies, myths and fables, that is your choice.

Gandalf,

I am sorry I offended you so much for you to rebuke what I was saying. I was not saying that channeling is a good way to get information, simply that getting information from any source should be discerned solely on its own worth according to what the bible says about it instead of it just being discarded based on the source of the information. Like I said, it may be all false and a misdirection by satan, since he is the father of all lies. I was just trying to relay that truth is truth regardless of the source.

What I was saying about the devil hiding truth is that it is easy for us to dismiss the ramblings of a lunatic, so I believe the devil will use the lunatic to tell the truth because then no one will believe him in his ramblings. Again, sorry if I offended you. I either misspoke or was unclear in my statement. I just wanted you to not dismiss something said based on the person saying it.

You are more than welcome to believing or not about the "heavy mass object" and what Scott was saying. I was not trying to persuade you one way or the other and I may be a fool in my thinking and beliefs, but I felt the need to say to you that you should take in the information as it is and not base it on the predisposition you may have about the source. I love ya brother, and I sincerely apologize. The farthest thing from my mind is to cause another to stumble in their walk with Christ.

P.S.
Sorry Scott for hijacking your thread, but I just wanted to ask you and everyone for their prayers for my family. My father died today, and I would ask for prayer, not really for me because my dad was saved and is now with Jesus, but for my family members who are taking it pretty hard.

With Love,
YBIC

I have been watching this thread as well for the last few days and now I simply must dive in as well.

I hope that what I am about to say does not get this thread closed, because, in the web link I will post farther into my reply, it addresses Nibiru from the stand point of JRR Tolkein's occultic imagery.

I have no real interest in Nibiru, but I do have an interest in what is taking place in the Sun, Moon, and Stars. To insinuate that watching such things as it pertains to the end of days is poorly dividing the Word, is in and of itself poorly dividing the Word.

By not watching these signs, like some of our other brothers and sisters who show no interest in watching, we can become guilty of the same fault of Jesus generation at His first appearing. How so? Who among all the religious leaders of the day of Jesus 1st coming knew to watch for the sign of His Star? Who in the bible in all of Israel knew? No one. They did not believe the writings of Daniel. Perhaps, even, they used the same argument, incorrectly I might add, that looking to the sky for signs was astrology, not astronomy, and abominable before the God of Heaven.

But, of all people that God used and recorded in Holy scripture for us, pagan wise men from Babylon (yes babylon, astrology, astronomy, pagan religions, etc) knew what it meant from when Daniel was in captivity. Daniel was counted as head of the wise men and biblical scholars agree that his teachings were passed down thru the generations of wise men after him to look for the sign of a Great King to be born.

"Well, that's different", you might say. "Daniels teachings were from God". Yes, but why were they not in the book of Daniel if inspired? Is this why the Jewish leaders refused to follow rumors, hearsay, myths, passed down from Daniel's day??

If, scientifically and spiritually under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, watching signs in the heavens is wrong, then from the same argument so is watching the signs on the earth such as earthquakes, famine, wars and rumors of wars, pestilence, etc. Why do we watch at all? Simply, because Jesus Himself said "Watch!" Obviously there is something we are to be watching. And it is precisely this very problem of "dont't get caught up in useless myths, rumors, etc." that most of the body of Christ is asleep today as it relates to the times we are living in. Not much different from His 1st coming 2000 years ago. We bring up these topics in a Forum atmosphere to toss around what we are finding among other believers who genuinely love the Lord, and are eagerly watching for His return. If there is error, it will be borne out. Thus, we are told to be discerning with what we read.

There are different levels of spiritual maturity joining in here. Too harsh an answer, although perhaps truth, can wound a weaker brother or sister. Truth can be spoken softer.

Yes, Jesus was harsh with truth, but not toward believers, but toward the Jewish leaders who had no intention of listening to God. Jesus knew/knows the hearts of all men. Fellow believers are not Pharisees and are not spoken too in the same tone as Jesus did to such. And as far as believers in error, Paul did speak truth in his letters, but not with a harsh, accusing, angry tone, but with a truthfully blunt, pleading in love, tone.

Gandalf, you said..

Gandalf » It's not judging someone to warn them when they are drifting away from truth and embracing occult and pagan beliefs and practices out of ignorance. In fact the bible encourages us to do that and stand for truth and cast down vain imaginations, fables and myths.

Is not LOTR just that, vain imaginations, fables, and myths?

And, as Danelle pointed out, Gandalf (the wise), is a wizard.

Deut. 8:10 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,"

or...

Ephesians 5:11
"Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;"

Wizadry, or witchcraft, is darkness.

You are quick to angrily accuse your brothers and sisters of not doing their "homework" on topics. Why have you not done yours on LOTR?

Consider this as well:

From J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis
- The Occult Overtones In Their Writings -
by Wes Penre, November 28, 1998, updated January 1, 2005 -

Here is Tolkien:
"Gandalf is not, of course, a human being (Man or Hobbit). There are naturally no precise modern terms to say what he was. I would venture to say that he was an incarnate 'angel'... "This incarnate "angel" wouldn't fit into the host of Biblical angels. But he could well fit in the hierarchy of "devas" or "angels" and ascended masters in the elaborate spiritual system called Theosophy or "Ancient Wisdom." Popularized by Madame Helena Blavatsky, this esoteric blend of Hinduism and Western occultism received its doctrines from "ascended masters" or spirit guides such as Djhwal Khul who channeled his messages to the medium Alice Bailey."

And this from the same source:

• In his (Tolkein's) personal letters (many are included in a book titled The Letters of J. R. R Tolkien), he expressed caution toward occult practices. But he equipped his team of mythical heroes -- the fellowship of the Ring -- with the pagan powers that God forbids. For example, "Gandalf [a helpful wizard] is able to wield potent magic... To do battle with the forces of darkness, Gandalf the Grey can call upon not only his spellcraft, but also his staff of power and the Elven sword Glamdring." (9)

Your tone indicates you too consider yourself "wise". Wiser than your brothers and sisters here on RITA?. You are establishing a certain tone that has not sat well with me but I have not said anything.

Are you an accuser?...

Gandalf » (Seriously, never thought I would see people endorsing finding truth from trance channelers on a Christian message board. That's just royally messed up.)

...Or one who speaks the truth in love in all gentleness and patience.

As you have said above:

Gandalf » A rebuke is harsh. That is it's defintion:
reprimand, reproach, scold, admonish, reprove, chastise, upbraid, berate, take to task, criticize, censure; informal-tell off, give someone a talking-to, give someone a dressing-down, give someone an earful, chew out, ream out; formal-castigate. Antonym of praise.

and so i would respectfully ask you to consider...

Matthew 7:3
Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

Please, be careful. I recognize that you are my brother.
I wish you God's blessings and favor.

ybiJC,
Kenyon.

Just wanted to add the example of the wisemen who followed the star to Bethlehem. Where were they from? Remember? They were following an unusual star they noticed and had connected it to the birth of the Christ Child they wanted to come to worship. So they had two cultures to draw from to put this puzzle piece together. One of the cultures was pagan and the other Jewish.

Imagine the people of their day rebuking them and calling them crazy. That was no short trip! Yet they persevered and all this is in the the Word of God for several reasons. One as an example to follow. Look where it led!