As far as I know the only proven demensions are the 4 we are in 3 of space 1 of time. while there is some hypothosis that there may be 10-20 demnsions I have not seen any proof. does anyone know of any?? does the bible hint at other demensions then what we have?? I wouldnt call the spiritual a demension as much as a realm as it appear to still have the same 4 demensions we have in the physical 3 spiritual space demensions and one spiritual time demension. does the bible or genuine apocryphal liturature talk of any demnsions beyond ours??

Paul

Paul, You might find these articles to be of interest:

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http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/printtopic.asp?ItemId=953

The concept of a fourth dimension is not a surprise to the students of God’s word, for it teaches an infinite extra dimension. This dimension is the realm of God’s eternal, infinite spirit, and the science of physics has come knocking on heaven’s door — they just don’t know it yet.

Solid, physical matter exists in the realm of three dimensions. Noah Webster defines these dimensions as length, breadth, and thickness or depth. Ephesians 3:18 reads:

May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

This passage speaks of the four dimensions — breadth, length, depth, and height — in regard to comprehending the unsearchable riches of the love of Christ.

The three dimensions of a solid object in the Ephesians example would be breadth (measuring from side to side), height (measuring from bottom to top), and length (measuring end to end) creating a volume measurement. The fourth dimension, the word depth, could refer to an understanding that reaches to the depth of the sea, etc. But when you review the definition of the word depth in the Greek dictionary of Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance, it takes on a serious new dimension. The first word used to define depth is "profundity." Profundity is defined by Webster as "depth of place, or knowledge or of science." This ultimate place is the very mind of God. Romans 11:33:

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

The dimension of the Spirit of God is very real. It is the infinite extra dimension that physicists ponder.

It might seem odd to consider that the apostle Paul would be giving a lesson in hyper-dimensions. Nevertheless, he does list an extra dimension, when only three directions are needed to define an object.

Here's more:

http://www.khouse.org/articles/1998/62/

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Hyperspaces

The ancient Hebrew scholar Nachmonides, writing in the 12th century, concluded from his studies of the text of Genesis that the universe has ten dimensions: that four are knowable and six are beyond our knowing.

Particle physicists today have also concluded that we live in ten dimensions. Three spatial dimensions and time are directly discernible and measurable. The remaining six are "curled" in less than the Planck length (10-33 centimeters) and thus are only inferable by indirect means.3

(Some physicists believe that there may be as many as 26 dimensions.4 Ten and twenty-six emerge from the mathematics associated with superstring theory, a current candidate in the pursuit of a theory to totally integrate all known forces in the universe.)

I cannot tell you whether superstring theory is the correct model for the nature of the universe. That would be way over my head.

This much I can comprehend: On a flat surface (two dimensional space), the sum of the angles of a triangle will equal 180 degrees. That is not true if you place the triangle on a sphere; then you have to account for the third dimension of height.

There are four fundamental forces of nature: Electromagnetism, gravitation, the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force. Scientists have not been able to reconcile them into a single unified theory. My understanding is that when they allow for ten dimensions, then the physics begin to make more sense.

As CzarPaul says, these are "directions" and not realms.

For those who are not really into "spacey" stuff, you might want to start with this:

Flatland is an analogy used to describe the way we cannot relate to higher dimensions unless we know them through direct experience. What is "up" to someone who only knows length and width? What is a fourth dimension to someone who lives in three?

Paul, it seems to me that your brain is not wired in a way that you can understand information from a subjective, abstract point of view. Most of us can understand perfectly about other dimensions when we read in the Bible and see how God created the space that we live in and the time for that space to exist in harmony.

God must exist in another dimension with time and space in it in order to create this one. Seems real simple to most of us. And, if He has created this dimension, why couldn't he have created others. After all, God is a creative God.

Oh, and by the way, just because someone says he is an atheist, doesn't mean his or her brain doesn't work right when it comes to understanding Gods creation. The only difference is they don't want to admit there is someone greater than themselves that they have to answer to, so they are fools....intelligent fools.

@lida.corne

I agree totally. If scientists find a unifying formula, it still won't affect the reality of God. They'll just find another box inside that box.

@CzarPaul

It might be helpful to think of computer code. You are familiar with a user interface; that is what allows you to access the features of your computer easily. But behind that pretty, simplified surface is a mountain of complex code, called the source code, that the user never sees. If there are extra dimensions, then I am sure God created them to provide three dimensional (plus time) creatures to function as we do.

And where did I say anything about heaven being totally different from existence as we now know it, although I must assume it is larger and more wonderful in every sense.

Hi, Paul. First, let me say I appreciate that your comment was not directed at me personally. My intention was to find some information along the lines of what you had spoken about and I happened to have heard such things before.

You do raise some interesting points. I agree with you that 1 Corinthians 2:9 is not primarily about heaven, but about the grace of God. Many Christians have the idea that it is describing the afterlife because they have heard it used so many times in funerals.

You say we aren't "using" those extra dimensions, if they exist. That would be hard to say conclusively. In the first place, I'm not sure the final verdict is in yet on the question. It's a model, and models have fallen apart before with the discovery of new evidence. But for the sake of discussion, let's say there are extra curled up dimensions of space. To say we're not "using" them is also unprovable. I can't say conclusively that string theory is correct. Maybe life IS but a dream? No matter how far down the chain you go, the question still remains: What's the next link made of?

I still think my analogy of the hidden code behind what you see on the computer is valid. If you aren't a computer programmer, you might not understand the comparison. However, surely you could understand that you wouldn't want to rip the guts out of a television and expect it to work, claiming you "aren't using" those parts you don't see on the surface?

Genetic scientists were proclaiming we had a lot of "junk DNA" in our bodies. Lately, they're discovering it wasn't "junk" after all. They just didn't know what it did.

I also agree with you that there is a difference between a dimension and a realm. To be precise, a dimension is a direction. It can be confusing when people speak of other places, such as the spirit world, as being a "dimension." Yet, that is a popular usage of the term and we can't take it out of the dictionary; we can only clarify what we mean by the word.

I would agree that heaven also has length, width, height, and time. I can imagine God transcending time, as well as the any other physical properties. We may experience time differently in heaven, or have no awareness of its passing. But as far as I can tell, we will not live in a timeless mode of existence. One thing will still follow another.

You should not lump all the scientists together. Yes, I thoroughly reject evolution as a pseudo-science and consider it a philosophy wrapped up in scientific language. Many scientists are committed to naturalism and do not believe in God. But science still can tell us things about the universe if it is empirical and not just theoretical. Empirical science is that which can be measured, tested, counted and duplicated. It is not the "what if" brand of thinking we so often are told is "scientific." And if some of those scientists are atheists, it doesn't mean they don't know their field.

I think I've addressed the perceived lack of need for extra dimensions adequately. You ask, if they exist, what would they be?

Space is so vast. Unimaginably vast, isn't it? Yet somehow heavenly beings traverse the distance between here and there quickly. They might utilize those extra dimensions in ways we cannot fathom. I really don't know, so I'll leave it at that.

You should realize the Flatland visualization was mostly an analogy. A 4D cube is called a Tesseract. I will accept your assessment that you have never seen one outside of a computer animation.

You ask, "[I]f these other dimension existed should we have run into a 4D object by now??"

How do you know we haven't? It would appear as something unidentifiable and foreign to our understanding of how objects behave. Perhaps it would even be flying. Sort of like an unidentified flying object...

That's not an endorsement. That is an observation that spirit beings, both of God and otherwise, may be making use of properties of reality which are at present closed off to us. I suspect our glorified bodies will overcome those barriers as well.

Let me interject, that some of us are scientist and engineers etc...IF we are open minded, we can not deny an omnipotent prescence in our universe whom in english we term "God".
There is no denying this fact.
You (we) who explore this, will find Our Father is greater than we ever imagined (presently) and when we find ourselves bowing and casting our crowns, We, brothers and sisters, will be amazed with His Grace, Mercy and ,the greatest of these,Love. We have His promise and the answer to the mystery, His body of believers which remained hidden until Christ who confonded the wise.
Peace.

I always tested well in science and math in school, not so good in english, and I really like biology to me you see the finger prints of God. I never understood how anyone can look at just the complexity of a single cell and think it all came about randomly. Then take into account the workings of the plant or of the body and one couldn't rationally explain it away with randomness. The odds of everything happening exactly as it had to exacly when it had to is astronomical. Also the fact if any one thing went differently, even in the slightest way, we would not be here. People sometimes ask 'where is your proof of God's existence?' up till darwins day all one would have to say is 'look around you'. I still will say that. Science, to the chagrin of many, is the best evidence we have of God outside the bible. I agree not all scientists are athiest unfortunately those who are control most of the field. If you are 'outted' as a christian you can have your career distroyed.

Junk DNA theory is good example of why I don't take scientist theories as being great things to rely on for making a case. as you said they have been finding out this DNA isnt "junk" but has a purpose. I very much prefer the empirical because you have proof of something. Theories are good to make guesses but I have seen many times in science a theory is held up as 'gospel' fact when it is just a theory lacking serious empirical proof. Just because most people agree with the theory doesn't make it right. 1000 people could say they agree that the sky is purple that doesn't make it purple. I guess I am one who like to see the proof before delving in to anything so radically different than what I have known. Probably why I haven't fallen for the theories de jure over the years on either the rapture or on other biblical matters.

I'll admit I don't know if these other dimensions exist and yes it is possible but I still don't find it necessary I believe God could have made the dimensions we have all there is. Or he may have made 10 or 20 more we don't see yet but will. I find it difficult to think of a object having more then 3 dimensions of space. Sometimes just living in 3D can be a challenge I can't possible image living in 10D or 20D. I remember wood shop and metal shop in school and it was hard enough getting things measured and cut right in 2D to create a 3D object I would be boggled trying to create a 10D object.

While I love working with kids and expect I will use this gift in the MK and beyond I do hope to take some time off and explore the galaxy no matter how many dementions there are.

oh david funny thing is while I am not a computer programmer my dad was. He is retired now.

Paul