Bryan V,

 I am going to share something....My dad had an 11 year fight with bone marrow cancer...His last year alive he was in and out of many comas.I would spend my lunch time at the hospital most of that year...2003.

One night I was reading about the lady with the issue of blood...She searched Jesus out,pushed through a crowd, reached for the hem of His gown....What did Jesus say? "Woman by your act of faith you are healed"

The next day I went into the hospital at lunch time...I was alone...I reached out and touched my dad's foot and prayed..."Lord this is me reaching for the hem of your robe,my act of faith...Take my dad on or give us a little more time with him!" Now...my mother passed in 94 and my dad became hateful,mean, a shadow of the man that raised me....

After I prayed I turned and left...30 minutes down the road and my sister called and said "Dad is out of his coma!"My dad came out of that coma and was the man that raised us again...happy,joyful,at peace..See...I was raised in a Christian home.He still had cancer but was changed.He lived 3 months after that day and died at home in sept. of 2003.....My dad was not healed of cancer but...The Lord gave us our dad back prior to taking him home!!

That my friend is the power of my God!!

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Sorry, I know that Christians have different opinions about Benny Hinn.
Only posting this because I asked to. If Benny Hinn's ministry is not something ya'll agree with here on RITA, feel free to take the video down.

God Bless.

I can't believe I missed that.  Christian Guy are you saying that you have a gift from God that God takes away from you and then gives it back and then takes it away and then gives it back again?

I know of no biblical incident where God takes away a gift in such a manner.  It's by definition, not a gift, if it can be taken away.  I'm sorry but you do not have the ability to heal other people physically. If you cannot do it when you will it to be done, it is not a gift from God.  It sounds like you pray and sometimes God answers.  That is the reality we live in.

And if you can heal people, then that should be your only focus in life.  You would not have to worry about a job.  People wouild be more than happy to help you out financially. I do not know what has happened in your life for you to think that you have the ability to heal others.  I do believe you have witnesses miraculous healing, because that has been well documents for many years. 

Again, there is not one instance in today's world of a instantaneous healing such as how Christ performed healing. Not a single one. 

You have to prove such a claim if you say that you are a healer.  And if you say you don't have to prove it, then why did God give you such a gift.  Every gift I 've seen him give other people, they use for the good of others and to accomplish God's will.  None have ever needed to hide their gifts.

I think I am about done with RITAN.  Too many people have come to so many conclusions that are not biblical at all.  I won't grow much here. Respectfully, I need a class more at my level.

Thom, Lisa...you are the only ones I got to know well enough to say I'll miss talking with you guys but I might as well be talking to an athiest when I try to bring reality into the equation on this site.  I need to be able to debate with others who offer sound reasoning and evidence and scriptures when necessary.

Feel free to delete my account mods.

LOL, Bryan V, what are you talking about?
Who said I was a healer? I said that I have opperated in that gift, just like other born again believers have. And who said that God takes away the gift then gives it back...? You're putting words into my mouth, because I didn't say that. You did. 
What I am saying is that there are certain times that the anointing of God comes upon people to do certain things. Don;t be quick to take things out of context and then come up with your own theories. There is no point having this conversation further with you, because it seems as if your mind is somewhere else. I don't need you to believe what the bible says, or the experiences I've had. I'm not here for you to believe me, sorry. 

God Bless you.

Please read my posts people.  Miraculous healing happens every day.  I do not need convincing of that. I have already said i believe in it.  Why did I need any examples of it?

My argument was that people do not heal other people in the name of Jesus in the way the apostles did.  We can only pray for the healing of others. I cannot choose when and how to heal someone by a gift of healing. Nobody can.

Somethings are not healable regardless of prayer.  When was the last time God healed an amputee? God still heals, but he does so in a way that is mysterous to the unbelievers.  They do not see God's hand at work.  The healing of cancer is a good example.  Unbelievers have room to make excuses when that happens.  But you won't see a blind man miraculously recieve his sight back. 

Bryan, I have seen miracles but, we are not all knowing...I think we can pray for a persons healing and it just not be God's will...period...The kingdom is furthered by that person passing and that is just that....maybe if they were healed it would have prevented someone from obtaining salvation....God knows...not us.The problem with us humans is we can witness a true miracle and praise the Lord for it then a few days later we are dismissing it as a coinkydink!

Stay around...we can disagree but it has to be done with love and not in a condescending way....Besides....who is gonna stay and help me get on Christian guy about Benny Hinn?

Tony, there is no reason for anyone to leave anyway... So I'm confused as to why anyone would leave because of this minor situation anyway. We're all a team.

I dont like to even let him get his cloven foot in the door!!

Love should be the driving force for all things, for those who are in Christ. I think there is a difference between making a point, and being rude. If anyone feels like they're talking to an atheist, just because of having small discussions with brothers and sisters, then perhaps the site isn't for them. We need to excercise patience.
We shouldn't be easily offended, too sensative that we must feel forced to leave. I don't mean that offensively. We should just be able to have mature conversations with one another without feeling as though one is being vigoursly challenged. Just my 2 cents. 

And, I don't know how to quote. 
The reference about feeling like they're talking to athiests when talking to other believers in Christ was something that someone else said. I just thought that was a bit harsh and unecessary.

Bryan said  Show me one video of someone making a blind man see, or a lame man walk, or a deaf man hear.

Enough already, this is no less than a scoffers statement.  It would seem that Bryan is here just to argue and cause dissension.  That is not good.   We can disagree, but it is not to be in a condescending or scoffing way.

God created us with two sides to our brain.  The Objective left side and the Subjective right side.   They each have differnent functions and abilities.   The objective side of our brain is logical, organized and pragmatic and the subjective side that God also created to balance us is one of feelings and thinking about ideas that may or may not be based in fact.

If we are only objective in our resoning, then we are out of balance and need to find help to bring us back into a balanced viewpoint of how God intended things to be and function.

Is God only logical and left brained?   Absolutely not.  You want to tell me that it is logical to sacrifice your only son so you can satisfy your standard of living?  Bonk!

Let us be aware of the need to be balanced in our viewpoints of what Gods charater and attributes are and how they are examples of what He created us to become.  We are not to be just one dimensional.

And oh, there are several videos on this very forum that show people being raised from the dead.   Only a scoffer would say that God is not the same yesterday, today and forever.  The gifts of the Holy Spirit are as alive and well today as they were 2,000 years ago.  Actually, even more so.  Just not so much in the western world that doesn't operate in the spiritual realm because of physical abundance and the lack of a need for faith. (wrong assumption of course)

Bryan » GOOOOOOODBYE RITAN

It would seem that is best.  Wish granted.

Tom, that was the best thing to do. We certainly don't need division especially with how close we are to the rapture. The best thing any of us can do is forgive Bryan for any division and pray for him.

Terrance, I must say. God surely must have enjoyed that service!  And it shows we're almost home.

I understand where Brian V is coming from. I came out of a church that taught  just what he talked about. I'm not knocking it because I was saved and baptised in that church so the Spirit was there.  He called to me to repent and received Jesus as my Savior. I really didn't understand the gifts of the Spirit much then because I was taught that they stopped once the Church was established .

It wasn't until I was in my 30's that I attended another church with other family and truly felt the Holy Spirit moving through the congregation there that I began to truly seek God's face. What a difference this has made in my life. I now have such a closeness with my Lord and Savior that I didn't know existed before. 

Thanks, Bryan, for the lovely sentiment regarding my husband. We've been married a long time, and I have tried everything. Then reading scripture, I realized that it is up to God. I can plant the seed and someone else can water it, but God causes it to grow (1 Corinthians 3:6). I've done what I can do, but I always listen for the urging of the Holy Spirit for a time to say something, give scripture, anything and then I respond.

Remember faith as tiny as a mustard seed can move a mountain. We can't limit God and put Him in a box by our understanding. We can move mountains with our faith. God can do all things, yesterday, today and forever. He never changes, like Tom said, AND we can do all things through Christ who gives us strength.

Reborn, I agree we are made in the image of God and are logical creatures, but it takes faith to believe. We weren't alive when the apostles saw Jesus and felt His scars. I'm sure that even some that were alive during that time and saw Him, didn't believe. We can relay the message and give our own testimony to how we came to believe, but ultimately, that person needs to believe because of their own faith. Without faith, it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6).

We are a family and families argue sometimes, but Jesus is coming soon! This site encourages me so much, and I enjoy reading your posts daily, but what a joy it will be to meet you all and talk face to face!

In love,
Kerri

In conclusion before closing this thread.

Back to the origin of the thread.  Terrence encouraged us with his experience of hearing trumpets and angels singing while in service with the men he was with as they worshipped God singing, "How Great Is Our God".  He asked God about what he heard and was given to understand "I'm tuning your ears so you can hear my archangel blow the trumpet according to My word. Tell my people to make sure they have oil in their lamps. "  God had allowed Terrence to hear what goes on spirit- filled services.  Terrence states this here.  We know people have had visions of just this happening in spirit-filled services with angels in sanctuaries with the people worshipping and singing with us.  The Spirit has revealed this to us before.

This  message is so highly important to us and has been missed due to a scoffer leaping in immediately to change the topic and thread to meet his needs.  He immediately attacked this piece of news.  Think about this a moment.  Why did he attack this of all posts?  He attacked, he scoffed, he distracted, he argued, he did everything he could to remove our focus from what was said here.  This means we all better refocus to this message that was intended to increase our faith while waiting and to encourage us.  This message then is of high importance to us.

The scoffer took things out of context and says God doesn't need to finetune microphones.  In that statement he took what was said out of context and falsely said it was about microphones which it wasn't.  That isn't what Terrence said.  Distraction was to keep our thoughts away from God preparing us NOW so we'll be ready when that Blessed Hope moment comes!  He was talking about our ears not microphones.  Please don't get lost in the debunking that followed and miss the true message.  Terrence was allowed a supernatural experience hearing what he stated as normally happening in spirit-filled services.  Rewording is saying that angels sing with us in our spirit-filled services!  Hallalujah!  Praise God!  Worship Him with all your might.  Join Terrence in this worship experience!  Be aware of timing and what Terrence said, not the debunker's distraction..

2.  Bryan became a judge deciding what was fair and what was not fair, making himself God in this statement. In effect he was judging God calling Him unfair. He calls it falsely 'reasoning and logic' but it is judging another.  He was  also judging Terrence and his experience. There can be no other description of it. There was no room allowed for God to operate as God deciding who, what, where, when or why He visits anyone.  This is outside Bryan's realm to decide for God.  A mistake on his part.  Maybe he isn't aware of all the judging Scriptures like he thinks he is.  This isn't his place to be. Obviously a trigger button issue occurred for him but it wasn't for him to judge Terrence and/or his experience nor especially God's fairness.

Bryan put God in a box declaring he can't do things like that.  We can't allow anyone to come here and do that--to put God in a box --even described it as a 'reasoning and logic' box. God cannot be boxed!  Some of you rightly pointed out that the Pharisees and Scribes used this approach.  Jesus partly came the first time to straighten out the mess they made of the law.

The first point Bryan made was "I have issues of anyone having had a vision or hearing words from the Lord.  Throughout the entire Bible there is not one reference of angels singing.  Not one."  He went on "It's not fair you are selected. All should be selected.  The Lord needs to atune all our ears."  Breaking this down.

1. " He has issues."  This was all about him and him alone and his issues removing our focus from Terrences' message to us.  There was no room given for another and his experience. He couldn't handle that  and probably was on a mission to do just this.  He has a pet peeve with those who have visions or hear from the Lord.  So he is at odds with a majority here who have had such experiences. He can't handle it and woe to anyone else who can. These  types of experiences depend on the relationships we build with Christ.  It's not an issue of fairness at all.  Bryan's relationship with the Lord isn't what another has.  He doesn't understand this. Our relationships with Him differ per the light we allow in to shine in our hearts. There are things we must do in order to receive from the Lord. There are things he appears to be unaware of.  But his main purpose was to disrupt, and cause division.  To remove focus on what Terrence said that would enlighten and encourage us.  He's upset he hasn't had these experiences himself and if he hasn't, no one else can apparently.  There's no allowance room for the other.  His experiences have limited him, his perspective and understanding.  He is judging only by what he himself is limited in knowledge and experience of in awareness.  There's no allowance that another's experience might be different from his.

2.  He claims there isn't one reference to angels singing in the Bible.  Has he forgotten or deliberately skipped over the Scriptures of Christ's birth?  Has he read the Psalms?  Has he heard or read accounts of near death experiences/visits to Heaven and missed this knowledge somehow?  Has he studied anything about Lucifer--his description and story as a fallen angel?  The description of how he was built  with pipes for music---his role in Heaven as chief musician?  Music, singing and angels just go together.

We don't really know anything about Bryan himself, how old he is, his past experiences and spiritual training or where he is coming from but it seems some things are being missed or overlooked.  He seems angry.  Seems to believe God is unfair.  My heart breaks for his position.  But it also seems this is where he wants to be and he himself wants to move on now because we don't agree with him.  He's happy with where he is at, who he is and upset he can't convince us he is right and we are wrong.  That is so sad.  Instead of learning from the Holy Spirit, he wants to run away.  That is his choice. May the Holy Spirit persue Him and Christ wrestle with him. So we pray for Bryan that God will reveal to you who He is and what He is capable of doing.  That Bryan's lamp is filled with oil as Terrence mentioned.  Terrence must have been speaking to Bryan with his message unaware it would hit home here like this.

I commend each of you reaching out to him to show him truth.  We can't force him to receive it. We pray seeds were planted and the Spirit will water them. We are more than just a sum of our parts as someone stated so well.  No one pushed him away.  He has decided this for himself to go.  I pray something any one of us said lingers in his mind and sets him on a spiritual journey seeking all of God and what He has for each of us.  Bryan will remain in our prayers as we all move on.  May God bless you in your journey and search, Bryan.  You go with our love and blessing.  Keep seeking the truth.  May God reach out to you in ways that shock your logic and reasoning in awe..that you may fall on your knees and really abandon yourself to worshipping the living God of Heaven and earth as He fills you with Himself.  May he dance over you singing and rejoicing over your breakthrough.  (This is Scriptural!)  May He bring you to tears with His goodness and love.  May angels surround you and lift you as they sing in your awareness and presence. How awesome is our God--indescrible, amazing, and glorious. There's a whole side of God for you to discover yet that you don't currently know that defies reasoning and logic.  He is God.  You are not. Our little minds can't explain the whole of it. He's beyond anything you can ever imagine.  Go in peace  and love but continue the journey with the living Lord as you grow and mature in faith.  I plead the Blood of Jesus around you to assist in this discovery.