Noah, Enoch, Harvest, The Church...

Prophetic Implications

The Birth of the Church

Enoch Traditions

1. those that perished in the flood;
2. those that were preserved through the flood (in the Ark);
3. those that were removed prior to the judgement of the flood.

The Trumpet of God

There are many interesting features of Shavout that get frequently overlooked. But first, Loaf of Barley is a partial rapture site that states that only the Bride of Christ will be raptured, not all believers.  That's a big problem for me. I see the scripture clearly saying that ALL of the true believers have the blessed Hope and none will be abandoned for Tribulation.  God is not faithless and will not neglect any of His family, which ALL of us are.  Some of their stuff is interesting, but some fits their theory better than scripture.  

I really like the bridal aspects of the Body of Christ (remember, we're the Body of Christ because we have cleaved to our Betrothed (albeit not [spiritually] consummated yet) and we are One Flesh with Him - His Body).  By the by, the first prophecy in the Bible (not counting God say let there be because He's God and that's not prophecy, that's command) was Adam saying "for this reason shall a man leave his mother and father and be joined to his wife and they shall be one flesh".  Who was Adam's Mother and Father?  And Adam did indeed seperate himself from Elohim to be joined with his wife in death (after 7 years according to the Book of Jubilee).  Eve was deceived, Adam chose not to live forever without her and joined her.

Shavout was also the wedding covenant of Israel and the Father God.  His Shekinah Glory fell over Mt. Sinai forming the original Chupa.  And He made the terms of His covenant with Israel made known to her, all gathered together as we will be after the rapture, and she accepted His covenant.  Very good correlation with our scenario.  

As you mentioned, this was the first trump of God, ours will be the last trump of God.  This was when the Law or Torah was given to Israel and the Feast of Pentecost is when the Holy Spirit was sent by Jesus and Father God to dwell in our hearts and teach / guide / instruct us in Him so that the Law of God is written on our hearts.  In this way, Shavout has already been fullfilled in us partially at least.  Another good argument is that this does seem to be when the church age was parenthetically cut out of the cloth of the Age of Law and it makes some sense to put the other parenthesis on the same date, other year so that the flow of the Age of Law continues from one day to the next.

There is one huge, glaring problem with this theory.  ITS FIVE OR SIX MONTHS AWAY!!!  I want to go Home to my Beloved.  That and it's a one day feast which is a problem for the no one knows the day or hour issue.  I don't think God will fullfill His Word using a time zone technicality.

I don't have time now to study, but I will mark this page as a favorite and investigate further after the new year.   If we're still here I'll have more time to study.  Nice reply 1993watcher. Polite, respectful and informative.  Well done.

I believe the shortened tribulation is the key to solve the problem of the second coming.

So the key is to count backward not forward.

The great tribulation must be 3.5 years or 42 months even the days must be matched, but it is shortened in the way one day is not 24 hours length but only 16 hours length. If we hold 2017/2018 then 2012 still holds water in it before the starting of the last 7 years in quote which is not really 7 years in the sense in the day of 24 hours a day but only 16 hours a day half of the period.  I really believe it is in 2012 but sooner even much sooner then December 2012 ...

Gimel said:

 

I believe the shortened tribulation is the key to solve the problem of the second coming.

So the key is to count backward not forward.

The great tribulation must be 3.5 years or 42 months even the days must be matched, but it is shortened in the way one day is not 24 hours length but only 16 hours length. If we hold 2017/2018 then 2012 still holds water in it before the starting of the last 7 years in quote which is not really 7 years in the sense in the day of 24 hours a day but only 16 hours a day half of the period. I really believe it is in 2012 but sooner even much sooner then December 2012 ...

I have been thinking about this ever since Tom posted about this very thing a few days ago.  It does make sense that the days would be shortened by a third since that is the 4th Trumpet judgement I believe.  This would make it very hard for those in the trib to calculate what day it is, and may very well also explain why the AC changes time measurements too.  That is why no one will be able to calculate the timing of the 2nd coming.

Also it means that it is very hard for us to calculate the timing of the beginning of the trib and the rapture.  Like Gimel said, we have to calculate backwards.  I still believe that 2018 is the most probable year of the 2nd coming.  Why?  Honestly, because of Pslam 18 and 118.  So if we take one third off of 7 years we get about 2 years and 4 months removed from the trib.  Fall of 2018 minus 4 years  and 8 months gives us approximately the beginning of 2014 .  But we also have to take into consideration that the 4th trumpet judgement may be during the second half of the trib, meaning only 3.5 years are shortened by a third.  That gives us approximately 1 year and 2 months shortened, making the trib begining at sometime in the middle of 2012.  But it is impossible to know when the 4th trumpet judgement happens, so it is impossible to calculate a third of time being taken from this point.  Does that make sense?  If the 4th trumpet is mid trib, then we have a very short time to wait for the trib to start.

It truly does show us that no man will know the day or the hour, especially when God changes the meaning of "day" and "hour."

Some notes from an older article from 2009 about the Feast of Weeks:

2009:

Jack Kelley writes: "Pentecost comes in the early summer (May-June). This year it's May 31. It’s the only Holy Day between the 3 Spring Feasts (Passover, Unleavened Bread, and First Fruits) and the 3 in the fall (Rosh Hashanna, Yom Kippur, and Tabernacles). Its Hebrew name is Shavuot. Pentecost is a Greek word and translates '50 days' since it comes 50 days after the Feast of First Fruits, the day we should know as Resurrection Morning . The Feast of First Fruits is celebrated on the day following the first Sabbath after Passover and Pentecost on the day after the Sabbath seven weeks later, giving rise to its nickname 'Feast of Weeks.' Since the Jewish Sabbath is Saturday, both these Holy days are Sundays."

Jewish synagogues love the story of Ruth. It is the most popular, especially on Pentecost. Often times there is a strong teaching that the Messiah will arrive on this date. The Rapture is pictured in the Book of Ruth. When Ruth was on the threshing floor and laid down at the feet of Boaz this represented the rapture. This whole scenario took place on Shavuot (Pentecost). When Ruth married Boaz one could make a pretty good case that she converted over to Judaism. Once again the dispensation of law started on Shavuot (Pentecost). Grace (Pentecost). Ruth lying at the feet of Boaz (Pentecost). Could it be that Law, Grace, and the Rapture/Resurrection will come together on Pentecost?

 Luis Vega on Pentecost:

http://twelvebooks.wordpress.com/2011/05/26/luis-vega-26-may-2011-the-age-of-pentecost-rapture-day/

For educational and discussion purposes only.

http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/daily-news-update-january-6-2012-the-festival-without-a-date/

1-6-12 Daily Prophecy Update Prophecy in the News

Gary Stearman on Rapture Pentecost

Yes, how I wish everyone could have the full, eight page article for January 2012 which main 2 articles are "2012" and "Pentecost 2012-The Rapture?" that explains all of the above topics in great detail (The Harvest, The Early and Latter Rain, Judgment of the Fruit of Trees, Pentecost the Festival without a Date, The Trumpet and the Bride, Dispensational Change, The Order of the Resurrections, Propheies of Summer, The Bridegroom and His Bride, Ruth the Gentile Bride, Jews stay up all night...WONDERFUL article).  I offered to mail to anyone, but I guess I can't post my email here.  WELL worth the $34 subscription for the year.  Here is another quote: The Festival Without a Date: "Since it is based on counting the seven weeks following the Feast of Firstfruits, the date of Pentecost is fluid.  Thus, when the Jewish calendar was still based upon visually marking the appearance of the new moon, Pentecost could fall on the fifth, sixth or seventh of Sivan.  The final determination of the date would depend upon whether or not the months of Nisan and Iyar were full thirty day months.  To this day, if one calculates the date of Pentecost as actually instructed in the Bible, its precise timing is always something of a mystery." All VERY interesting..still hope it is sooner..not setting dates: for educational and discussion purposes only.

Grumpy, can you please explain the 2300 days?  I thought it was 2550? Thanks!

http://endtimepilgrim.org/1290days.htm

This brings me back to the 86 moons question.....hmmmmm

A GREAT Book I am reading Decoding Doomsday by S. Douglas Woodward (foreword by Rabbi Daniel Lapin) The 2012 Prophecies, the Apocalypse, and the Perilous Days Ahead

Page 307 (The Return of the King) "As noted earlier, a few scholars suggest that the various dispensations always commence at Pentecost.  For Christians, Pentecost is indeed a major holiday!  Orthodox Jews are to celebrate Pentecost by staying up all night, studying Scripture and praying. Not many Christians, perhaps to our shame, follow this tradition.  Additionally, the story of the Book of Ruth, associated with Pentecost, is a story that has probable typology involving the rapture of the Church.  The book is about a gentile woman, Ruth, a Moabite, redeemed by a kinsmen redeemer, Boaz.  In order to propose marriage between Ruth and Boaz, at the coaching of her mother-in-law from her prior marriage (Naomi), Ruth goes to the upper loft of the threshing floor and quietly lies down at the feet of Boaz where he is sleeping, uncovering his feet, and resting with him.  Upon discovering Ruth, Boaz understands what amounts to a petition of Ruth to be cared for by Boaz; and therefore, he moves on to marry Ruth.  Tradition has it that this event occurs on the day of Pentecost.  In fact, it's a story normally read on Pentecost by orthodox Jews.  It symbolizes the marriage between God and Israel.  Christians of course see in this story a symbol of the marriage between Jesus Christ and His Church - especially since Ruth, the bride, is a gentile.  The date is also known as the only festival date that cannot be established on a fixed date, due to the fluctuation of Passover.  Passover occurs on a date of the full moon (which varies depending upon the blooming of the Almond Tree); (2) Omer is offered on the first day (Sunday) after the Sabbath (Saturday) after the Passover (which varies); (3) Pentecost or Shavuot was to be exactly seven weeks after the day following Sabbath (which would be Sunday), immediately after Passover (50 days after Omer).  In contrast, during Jesus' day the Pharisees fixed the date as the sixth day of Sivan (typically late May or early June).  However, biblically, the date was always to be a Sunday and a variable date holiday.  Christians of course supported Sunday as the holy day as it was a memorial to the day of Jesus' resurrection.  Additionally, the fact that the date of the festival couldn't be officially known until the blossoming of the Almond Tree, it infers that "no man knows the day." "

 

Grumpy, can you please explain the 2300 days?  I thought it was 2550? Thanks!

The 2300 days stands alone as a time period that must fit into the end time events.

Daniel chapter 8 verses 9 through 12 speak of the antichrist. Verses 13 and 14 say that there is a 2300 day period from the taking away of the daily sacrifice to the restoration and re-consecration of the sanctuary. In verse 17 the angel Gabriel confirms that this concerns the time of the end.

If this is a literal 2300 days occurring during the tribulation period this amounts to approximately 6.3 solar years. This would be the majority of a 7 year tribulation period. 

TxThom pointed out that a tabernacle for sacrificial worship could be established rather quickly. I'm more of the opinion that the sacrifice represents the Church and its removal at the rapture.

Tx - I think there will be a temple with sacrifice and an abomination that desolates but I believe this comes closer to the midway point - the last 3-1/2 years of the tribulation.

Here is an older (but good) article from JR Church:
Will the Rapture Occur on Pentecost?
 

 

Years ago I wrote an article on Pentecost wherein I noted that according to Jewish custom, young Jewish ladies who were getting married for the first time were wed on Wednesdays. Widows and divorcees were expected to be married on Thursdays. Furthermore, on Pentecost night the Jews have a custom of staying up all night to “decorate the bride.” I took it to mean that every Jewish bride preparing for her evening escapade with her bridegroom would spend the time getting dressed in her bridal gown, adorning various pieces of jewelry and fixing her veil. That’s what I think was meant by decorating the bride. In all Jewish communities across Europe there were hundreds of Jewish brides needing assistance on Tuesday evening. Of course, in the Jewish calendar, Wednesday would begin at sundown on Tuesday evening. The bride would gather her 10 virgins, i.e. bridesmaids for a gala but frantic time of getting everyone dressed for the occasion. The groom would be expected to show up sometime following the appearance of the second star of the evening. As in the case of the parable of the ten virgins, the bridegroom didn’t come until midnight. It is my thinking that the term, June bride, came from all those weddings on Pentecost.

http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/will-the-rapture-occur-on-pentecost/

An older post but lots of goodies w/Pentecost next week!