In this video, Chuck Missler brings up the following interesting statistic:  America has lost, in all of our wars, approximately 1.3 million people.  America aborts aproximately 1.4 million children every YEAR!  He feels that the protective shield over the United States has been removed, now that for the first time in our history, the administration is anti-Israel. 

Missler also makes note of the friction between the two main moslem sects, the Sunni and Shiite.  Primarily Saudia Arabia and Yemin (Sunni) and Iran (Shiite).  Along these lines, the last few days, Bahrain (Island Arabian Gulf Nation off the coast of Saudi Arabia - 70% Shiite and 30% ruling Sunni) has been having riots again.  With everything else going on in the Gulf, this is not what we need.  America's 5th Fleet Naval Force is headquartered on the island of Bahrain.

I am as well, ybiC, Caleb

Caleb, welcome to RITAN!

There are days when I plead with GOD for our declining USA.  Our nation's greatest sin is the loss of precious babies thru abortion. 

I will remember you in my daily prayers for GOD's hand of protection. 

Blessings,

Rita Diane

It's exciting that more teachers are catching on to this.  Here are some more parallels that suggest that the rapture comes before the Psalm 83 War:

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Psalm 83:1-5 (King James Version)

Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee

In Psalm 83 "thy people" is Israel. The following Scripture support the Church being the "hidden ones" as they describe God's people being "hidden" during the indignation:

Psalm 27:5 For in the time of trouble He shall hide me in His pavilion; In the secret place of His tabernacle He shall hide me; He shall set me high upon a rock.

 

Isaiah 26:19-21 Your dead shall live; Together with my dead body they shall arise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust; For your dew is like the dew of herbs, And the earth shall cast out the dead. Come, my people, enter your chambers, And shut your doors behind you; Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, Until the indignation is past. For behold, the LORD comes out of His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; The earth will also disclose her blood, And will no more cover her slain.

 

Zephaniah 2:3 Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth, Who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden In the day of the LORD's anger.

Interestingly, Psalm 83:3 suggests that Israel's neighbors will be taking action against God. That is, they will make a "crafty counsel" against His people and His "hidden ones". It appears that the "Great Middle East War" starts because the opportunity arises for Israel's enemies in the aftermath of the resurrection and rapture of the Church. Recall that the rapture may be the "sudden destruction" on the world when they are trying to force Israel to divide the land for "peace and safety"

1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!", then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

Here are some more possible parallels:

The Rapture and the "Great Middle East War" - Will they occur near the same time?

Type = Elijah was taken to heaven in a whirlwind (2 Kings 2:11).
Parallel = God will make Israel's enemies like "chaff before the whirlwind" in the war (Isaiah 17:13, Psalms 83:13, Zephaniah 2:1, Amos 1:14, Isaiah 26:18, Jeremiah 23:19).

Type = Gideon went up against Israel's neighbors, the Midianites, and the Lord delivered them; even being outnumbered (Judges 7).
Parallel = The Lord will deliver Israel, being outnumbered, from its neighbors in the Great Middle East War.

Type = Gideon had his men blow a trumpet and break pitchers with torches inside when they went up against the Midianites (Judges 7:15-22).
Parallel = At the trumpet sound at the rapture, the light inside believers will be revealed through the transformation of their earthly vessels, to that of a glorified body (2 Corinthians 4:7-12, 1 Corinthians 15:52).

Type = Sisera, and Jabin were other neighbors of Israel from Canaan that were defeated (Judges 4).
Parallel = The Psalmist pleads with God to deal with Israel's neighbors in the same manner that he dealt with Sisera and Jabin. (Psalms 83:9-10).

Type = Gideon killed Oreb, Zeeb, Zebah, and Zalmunna ( Judges 7:25, Judges 8:1-21).
Parallel = The Psalmist pleads with God to deal with Israel's neighbors in the same manner Gideon dealt with Oreb, Zeeb, Zebah, and Zalmunna (Psalm 83:11).

Type = Gideon took the crescent ornaments that were on the necks of Zebah and Zalmunna's camels after he killed them (Judges 8:21).
Parallel = The vast majority of Israel's neighbors are Muslims, whose symbol is the crescent moon. Israel's neighbors will also be defeated in the Great Middle East War.

Type = The Psalmist, writing of a war with Israel and her neighbors, asks that the Lord's beloved be delivered by His right hand (Psalm 108).
Parallel = Jesus is at the right hand of God, and His beloved is His Bride the Church (Matthew 22:44, 2 Corinthians 11:2, Revelation 21:9).

Type = Before God pours out His Judgment on Israel's neighbors, he hides those that seek Him from the day of the Lord's anger (Zephaniah 2:1-3).
Parallel = The Church is not destined for God's Wrath (Romans 5:8-9, 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 & 5:9-10).

Is Psalm 108 another prophetic parallel to the "Great Middle East War"?

Psalm 108 - A Song. A Psalm of David.

1 O God, my heart is steadfast; I will sing and give praise, even with my glory.
2 Awake, lute and harp! I will awaken the dawn.
3 I will praise You, O LORD, among the peoples, And I will sing praises to You among the nations.
4 For Your mercy is great above the heavens, And Your truth reaches to the clouds.

5 Be exalted, O God, above the heavens, And Your glory above all the earth;
6 That Your beloved may be delivered, Save with Your right hand, and hear me.
7 God has spoken in His holiness:
"I will rejoice; I will divide Shechem And measure out the Valley of Succoth.
8 Gilead is Mine; Manasseh is Mine; Ephraim also is the helmet for My head; Judah is My lawgiver.
9 Moab is My washpot; Over Edom I will cast My shoe; Over Philistia I will triumph."

10 Who will bring me into the strong city? Who will lead me to Edom?
11 Is it not You, O God, who cast us off? And You, O God, who did not go out with our armies?
12 Give us help from trouble, For the help of man is useless.
13 Through God we will do valiantly, For it is He who shall tread down our enemies.

Verse 2 appears to be speaking about the resurrection.
Verse 6 may be describing the rapture of the Church; the Bride/Beloved of Christ.
Verses 7-8 describe the land that Israel will gain during the Great Middle East War.
Verse 8-9 show that the West Bank, Jordan and Gaza will be defeated.
Verse 10-13 show that God will deliver Israel from her enemies.

http://www.trackingbibleprophecy.com/numbers.php#gmewar

If the psalm 83 event includes  the attack on Iran, a prophet said the Rapture comes first.

I believe that the rapture happens before a war. If one compares the rapture and the second coming, opposites will be noticed. The rapture is a movement from Earth to Heaven while at the second coming we have a movement from Heaven to Earth. At the rapture, there is no war, but at the second coming, the event ends a war. Maybe the rapture starts a war...
It does seems that our Father made the two events opposite so we coulds easily tell them apart.
Here are some more (credit goes to Charles Swindoll):
Rapture has no signs preceding it, brings comfort and hope, related to God's program for the Church, is a mystery, is before the day of wrath and involves believers only. The second coming is preceded by numerous signs, brings a message of judgment, is related to God's program for Israel and the world, Is clearly revealed and predicted in both testaments, occurs after the day of wrath and involves the whole world.

I just finish watching that video. One thing that stood out ,was that war going on with the shiites and sunnis, a 1400 year old war as Bro. Chuck put. Something I saw the other day was the sale of 80 or so F-15's worth 30 Billion and also In addition to the F-15 aircraft, the United States promised to sell 70 Apache attack helicopters, 72 Black Hawk helicopters, 26 Little Bird helicopters and assorted weapons systems (missiles and bombs) for the aircraft, for 60 Billion plus.

Things are really heating up quick.

I did catch that part in the video about Psalms 83, as that was going on , I caught a brief statement he made about, the US getting Nuke in some exchange he was very low key on that, and didn't elaborate much after that on it.

We need to Pray for our Nation and Israel.

Here it is 1993 watcher. http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2010/1021/Eyeing-Iran-US-details-60-billion-arms-sale-to-Saudi-Arabia

Looks Like Israel is not going to object to the sale either. Getting ready for the final battles, are the start of the first one. Now that Iran has it's first fuel rods in play, this is a game changer. Something has to get this started, who will step up to the plate ?

Here is the Washington Post...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/20/AR2010102006518.html

Amy - Thank you for your excellent exposition on Psalms 83.  It gave me lots of information and references to research.  We really are blessed, here at RITAN, with a wealth of scholars that provide sound Biblical reasoning on eschatology.  Most end-times forums are filled with simple news articles and/or intuitive speculation, but there is are so many Biblical-based studies here...  I may sound like a RITAN infomercial,    but God has blessed our little family here, with so much sound teaching!

The following are not Psalms 83 vids, but Chuck Missler is a splendid end-times scholar, full of information... that I'm listing two videos, below.  The first one is the first in a series of 12, on the "Return of the Nephilim" - just go to You Tube for #'s 2-12.  The second is the first in a series of 12 on the Rapture.  Both (IMO) are worth the time committment in watching them.  I'm sorry if this derails the thread, I just think Brother Missler is an excellent teacher!

He is a great Teacher of God's Word. Thanks for the links.

Please go to the 6:30 min point in the video, Jimmy DeYoung refers to PM Netanyahu's statement regarding an Israeli pre-emptive strike against Iran's nuclear program; between Dec.15 and Jan. 15.

That door is closing now....

Just a comment about youtuber 777aej had a vision that may or may not be related to what Chuck Missler said about the U.S. doing something that would cause us to 'get clobbered'.
Check her video titled 'misfire'. She saw a ship in the Atlantic approaching Florida that fired to the west towards land. It was a US ship, she saw USS 766. She was shown 'misfire:accident'. She said she asked the Lord what that meant and heard 'The Beginning'.

Wow! like was like a prophecy feast with the strongest of meat with all the sides and dessert,thanks 1993Watcher.

His beloved & others ,

Yes I don't agree with all who say "America is not in the Bible", I would think we would have to be (although part of it may be taken out...who knows we will be outa here Praise God)!  Also I wish I could go to Ethiopia where they have all of these original texts and books and Jubiiess, Jasher, Enoch....did you ever see the show Cities of the Underworld where the guy went to the church that was way on top of a mountain in Ethiopia and all of these ancient manuscripts are kept there...it is fascinating!

Maybe this is it????? Part 1 of 3...fascinating!

1993watcher facinating is the perfect word to describe that video and I am going to watch the other two as well, and I am like you, I would love to go there too as well as Israel and Petra.

And although I don't wish to derail your thread,but since you also believe that America is found in bible and that it will be taken out or taken down, I wanted to present something to you, however you have probably already noticed it before.

There is one who is referred to as the Daughter of Babylon in many chapters of Jeremiah, and that old saying like mother like daughter came from Proverbs as I am sure you know, so we have this place that is like her mother the orginal Babylon,which became a great empire.

And the fact that she is a daughter also implies that she is younger, then in Jeremiah 50:12 this daughter of Babylon is called the hindermost of nations, and when I looked up what the orignal Hebrew meant for hindermost, it means the youngest of nations.

She is called the hammer of the earth and the battle axe that the Lord has used to bring judgement upon the other nations, what nation do you know in these last days that goes around bombing other nations?

Then I came across the fact that in Jeremiah ; this place is also called the land of the Chaldeans and I thought well that can't be America, then I found out that Chaldeans are not a nationality but are instead the name used for people who make their living at being, philosphers,soothsayers,astrologers,enchanters and the like..

This place is also referred to as a place of mingled people ( different races) and a place that people from other nations flow to.( emigrate to)

It is also a place with many idols, who is very proud and sets like a queen, saying" no harm shall come to me", because she has never faced judgement, but the Lord say's that her sins are piled to heaven and the time for her judgement has come.

It is a place that dwells without care having neither gates or bars, and dwells alone,another words off to itself , it also surrounded by water

it is a wealthy nation who gets most of her goods from other nations and has many sea ports.

Jer.50:4 seems to indicate that it is a place that Israel depends upon because when her judgement comes then Israel turns to seek and trust the Lord instead.

And of course we see that her judgement comes by the way of the North( Russia), and depending upon who you think satan might inhabit bodily; there are some other things about that which pertain to this subject matter of America being taken down

Mr honeybee if you and I are on the same page and we have v.45 of that same chapter showing that he will move to another location which looks to be Jerusalem,and Daniel 8:11 showing us that the place he resided before is cast down/destroyed, then we see the Daughter of Babylon being destroyed in Jeremiah, and we know where the one who has caused Daniel 11:41-44 to come to pass thus far and we know where he lives now, so how is it that so many can not see it?

Sorry Jeff, I never checked back on this.  I have thought myself that the Fullness of the Gentiles was a literal meaning that once the last person came in before the "door was shut" was God's timing.  I can't say for sure.  You can email them at the website Prophecy in the News.  I can see Gary's point though.  God has His own calendar and His timing will be perfect!  HOPFULLY BEFORE PSALM 83 which to me looks like it could kick off if someone even sneezes over there!! Maranatha!

Here is a very to the point article presenting America as the daughter of Babylon:

http://www.raptureready.com/soap/perkins1.html

United States in Bible Prophecy

Personally, I'm not sure who will actually be this Babylon talked about in Revelation, and I've read about a few possibilities. I kind of lean to the idea that it could be America, as our country deserves so much judgment, and the Bible verses brought up in the article certainly match this country's description. I also see the validity in the point that it should be the literal place of Babylon. However, I truly don't see how that area could be built up within the next few years to even qualify to its description in Rev. 18.

Also, in the book, The Departure, by Terry James and several contributing authors, the U.S. is depicted in a contemporary view of Daniel 7. This book did not mention, however, that the U.S. is Babylon. But the correlations to the U.S. are very interesting, nonetheless.

Daniel spake and said, "I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it." (Daniel 7:2-4)

England has been known as the lion. The U.S. is the eagle (bald eagle). The eagle's wings were plucked from this lion when the U.S. won the Revolutionary War. Standing on its own feet of a man depicts its successful stand as a nation apart from the lion. (This analogy was made in this book, and I feel it makes sense.) The idea that the U.S. was given a symbol of a man with a man's heart shows how this country has been a huge factor in spreading the Gospel and helping others around the world.

I am very curious how our country ties in with the end time events. Our role has actually become more clearer in the past three years, however. I am thinking that our rapture will very much cripple this nation, on top of an economic collapse.