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    Mike Mc
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    Exodus 12:12

    “For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.”

    all the gods of Egypt

    “Four Hundred Years” Stela
    http://www.joanlansberry.com/setfind/400years.html

    Exodus 14:3 (ESV)

    Caught in front of Baal-zephon between areas controlled by their god, Ba`al-Set, master of the sea and god of the desert—the Egyptians must have figured the Israelites were hopelessly trapped!

    Which brings us back to our earlier question: What was Baal-zephon, and why was it so important? Why did God tell Moses to turn around so this confrontation happened right there?

    Here’s why: The name of Ba`al’s holy mountain, which is more than five hundred miles north of the Nile delta, was Mount Zaphon.

    Hmm. Zephon, Zaphon. Same name, different transliteration into English. Coincidence?

    No! The Red Sea crossing was a supernatural smackdown! Baal was the god of storms, the god who vanquished the primordial chaos god of the sea, Yam. Because of this, Baal was the god of maritime navigation and the patron god of sailors.

    So Yahweh didn’t just deliver the Israelites “out of the hand of pharaoh,” He delivered them out of the hand of Baal. And to make sure nobody misunderstood the message, He did it in front of a site dedicated to Baal, and by mastering the sea—Ba`al’s domain.

    The Great Inception Part 6: The Gods of Egypt Weren’t Egyptian

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_400_Stela#/media/File:400_Year_stele_Budge.png

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    #128970

    Mike Mc
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    I have always been amazed at some of the things God has done with Angels… Angels are an entirely different order of being than humans… One Angel in one night kills 185,000 Assyrians

    In approximately 701 BCE, Sennacherib, king of Assyria, attacked the fortified cities of Judah, … The Bible states that during the night, an angel of God brought death to 185,000 Assyrians

    Isa 37:35  For I will defend this city to save it for mine own sake, and for my servant David’s sake. 
    Isa 37:36  Then the angel of the LORD went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses. 
    Isa 37:37  So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh

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    Your not ever going to here a sermon on this topic for the most part, it’s just lightly brushed over… When you start brining up Angels and Demons, Nephilim Giants and Enochian Watchers, Folks get nervous, The Spiritual world is rarely discussed in church… The one verse that always pops up in my head is, As the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man…

    The Amorites were a Semitic people who seem to have emerged from western Mesopotamia (modern day Syria) at some point prior to the 3rd millennium BCE. In Sumerian they were known as the Martu or the Tidnum (in the Ur III Period), in Akkadian by the name of Amurru, and in Egypt as Amar, all of which mean ‘westerners’ or ‘those of the west’, as does the Hebrew name Amorite. They worshipped their own pantheon of gods with a chief deity named Amurru (also known as Belu Sadi – ‘Lord of the Mountains’ whose wife, Belit-Seri was ‘Lady of the Desert’), which also became a designation for the people as the Akkadians also referred to them as ‘the people of Amurru’ and to the region of Syria as ‘Amurru’. There is no record of what the Amorites called themselves. The god Amurru’s association with the mountains and his wife’s with the desert suggests that they may have originated in the area of Syria around Mount Hermon but this is unsubstantiated. Their origins are unknown and their precise history, until they settle in cities like Mari, Ebla, and Babylon, is equally mysterious. From their first appearance in the historical record, the Amorites had a profound impact on the history of Mesopotamia and are probably best known for their kingdom of Babylonia under the Amorite king Hammurabi. The span between 2000-1600 BCE in Mesopotamia is known as the Amorite Period, during which their impact on the region can most clearly be discerned, but there is no doubt that they influenced the people of the various cities long before that time and their impact was felt long after.
    http://www.ancient.eu/amorite/

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    One of the things during the Tribulation Period is when the Bottomless Pit is Opened up..
    Revelation 9:1–3, 11 — “The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. . . . They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).”

    TOPICS:
    0:00 – Introduction
    2:01 – Enoch and the Church
    3:28 – Difference Between Nephilim and Rephaim
    5:07 – The Titans and Tartarus
    8:01 – Ugarit Summoning Rituals of the Rephaim
    10:24 – Sumerian Giants and Titans
    12:07 – Ordering Information
    16:53 – Web Exclusive Information
    17:38 – Enoch and Reversing the Sin of the Watchers
    22:05 – PSYOP of the Babylonian Flood
    24:55 – The Forgotten Mission of Jesus Christ
    27:03 – Should the Book of Enoch be in the Bible?
    27:59 – Conclusion

    In this video Gilbert is making the case that the Titans were the watcher’s… Og, king of Bashon, was said to have been the last of the Rephaim, as he says at 4:48 minute mark..
    Then on to a Scholar by the name of Anar Annus’ Talking about The Titans and Tartarus…
    This really got my attention, so I look this Scholar up…
    https://www.academia.edu/4570714/On_the_Origin_of_Watchers_A_Comparative_Study_of_the_Antediluvian_Wisdom_in_Mesopotamian_and_Jewish_Traditions

    Annus concluded that the West Semitic root for the word Rephaim … So through the link between the Semitic root mrp’ and the Greek word Meropes…

    The Bible links the Amorites to the Anakim (Deut. 2:10-25). The Transjordan campaign was aimed at two Amorite kings, Sihon and Og, who were both remembered as giants. Remember that the Amorite king Og was called the last of the Rephaim (Deuteronomy 3:11). Texts found throughout Mesopotamia identify the Tidnum/Tidanum as a tribe of the Amorites.

    Amar Annus

    According to talmudic and midrashic traditions, Og survived the deluge by sitting on top of Noah’s ark (see Noegel 1998: 414). The myths surrounding Og of Bashan are conated with those about Ogygos of Boeotia, pointing to a common origin. Both were ood survivors and legendary rulers of their realms. Og of Bashan is recorded in Josh. 12.4 as having been the last of the Rephaim. Ogygos is often associated with giants (Noegel 1998: 415), and sometimes he is said to have been the king of Titans (see Annus 1999: 22-23). Goliath, whose height was 6 cubits and a span (1 Sam. 17.4), was occasionally associated with Rephaim as well (see Annus 1999: 20). Two words related to the mythology of giants in Greek, titanes and meropes, seem to derive from the Semitic roots dtn and rp with their variants (see Annus 1999).

    Amar Annus… the root term for meropes is the word… Rephaim

    The Great Inception Part 8: God vs. the Titans

    For starters, Annus concluded that the West Semitic root for the word Rephaim, mrp’, appears to be the origin of the Greek word merops. The word can have a similar meaning in both languages, “healer” or “healing.”

    Kos, an island in the southeast Aegean Sea off the coast of Turkey, was formerly called Meropis, after one Merops, the mythical first king of the island. Merops was thought to be an autochthon, an original inhabitant of the land, one who sprang from the rocks and trees as opposed to a foreigner who settled in it. His people, then, were the Meropes. The key point is that Merops, Meropis, and the Meropes all derive from the Semitic root mrp’.

    We also find that root as the basis of the phrase meropes anthropoi. That phrase was used by the Greek poet Hesiod in his famous poem Works and Days to describe the men who lived in a long-ago Golden Age.

    Gen 15:16  But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. 
    Gen 15:17  And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. 
    Gen 15:18  In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: 
    Gen 15:19  The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, 
    Gen 15:20  And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, 
    Gen 15:21  And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites. 

    2 Peter 2:4 (ESV), emphasis added

    The Greek word translated “cast them into hell” is the verb ταρταρόω, tartaroo, which literally means “to thrust down to Tartarus.” This is the only use of that word in the New Testament. Hades, meanwhile, is mentioned nearly a dozen times, including twice by Jesus. That distinguishes Hades from Tartarus, which was apparently reserved as a special place of punishment for angels who sinned. And the only explicit example of angels sinning in the Bible is in Genesis 6:1-4, which is confirmed by the passages in 2 Peter and by Jude, who clearly linked the punishment of the angels to a sexual sin.

    Further, the Jewish scholars who translated the Hebrew scriptures into Greek two hundred years or so before Jesus’ birth into the text called the Septuagint understood the link between the Rephaim and the pagan gods. In 2 Samuel 5, the scholars translated the site of David’s battle against the Philistines, emeq rapha, as Valley of the Titans.

    So. The Titans of the Greek myths were the “angels who did not stay within their own position of authority,” the Watchers of Genesis 6. They are bound in Tartarus, kept “in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day.” Their children, the Nephilim, whose spirits are the demons that plague the earth to this day, were the shades of Sheol, the Rephaim, who were summoned in rituals by Amorite kings who believed they were their honored dead ancestors.

    Seriously.

    Does the phrase “the iniquity of the Amorites” begin to make more sense?

    #128988
    TakeMeHome
    TakeMeHome
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    Although a creepy topic, it’s worth knowing a little about it.

    Recently I was watching some Trey Smith videos. Some people don’t like his style but he doesn’t bother me and I usually walk away with an interesting tidbit and an ah ha moment. I dont always agree but

    His Enoch, Nephilim, Noah videos walked through Satan in Eden then the fallen angels up to and after the deluge. He ties together how religions in Egypt, Mespotamia, the Americas and other locations are all demonic with the source being the snake. (Satan).

    Eye opener for sure. For me the biggest take away were the Nephilim skulls archeologists have found with the elongated skulls. They are not human skulls! Their skull sutures are not the same as humans.

    Put on the full armor of God And focus on Jesus till he comes for us.

    #128990
    Heather R
    Heather R
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    Personally, this topic has always fascinated me. The only problem I see is ensuring those who use the historical and extra-Biblical texts don’t rely on those accounts more than they do the Bible. Like for instance, Derek Gilbert strays from a literal 6000 year-old earth because of his historical studies which talk about ancient civilizations c. 5-6000 B.C. Obviously, that isn’t correct if the earth is only 6000 years old, so he tends toward somewhere in the vicinity of 10K years old. Based on the idea of the days of Creation, the Sabbath, and the pattern of days and years with the Lord, 10K years is not accurate.

    Then, there is Michael Heiser. I was interested in his work, but he took the Trinity out of Genesis 1-2 and inserted the “divine council” where it says “let us make man in our image, after our likeness”. I have a HUUUUUGE problem with that, so I stopped listening. While I think the topic is fascinating, I do think those who study these things have to be uber-careful not to allow what they find that is extra-Biblical to color their interpretations of what the Bible actually says.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #128991

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    For me the biggest take away were the Nephilim skulls archeologists have found with the elongated skulls. They are not human skulls! Their skull sutures are not the same as humans.

    Church Folks never Think about them extracting DNA from those bones either… Egypt, Mesopotamia, the Americas, More in Amazon region near Ecuador and Peru.

    #128992
    TakeMeHome
    TakeMeHome
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    Heather you are absolutely correct about using uber discernment.
    Especially Trey. He can get a little “out there” sometimes.

    For me, it helps mostly to have some of the visuals more than anything else with some of these types of presentations and get a general perspective.

    Like the Egyptian carvings the symbology, the maps showing where Nimrod was located, land of Ur and the other pagan civilizations and order of general timeline.

    Of other interest was a visual of size and specifications of Noahs ark and how large those Nephilim were! That’s why I enjoy them. But agree any details must match the Bible account.

    Mike Mc Yes about the DNA! This is a subject I don’t usually spend that much time on, but because Jesus said as in the days of Noah I try to have a general idea about.

    #128994

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    He took the Trinity out of Genesis 1-2 and inserted the “divine council” where it says “let us make man in our image, after our likeness

    Trinity Vs Divine Consul..

    I see three all separate, all being God… Christian Godhead as one God in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit

    So, I look up the word Consul…
    A consul is an official representative of the government of one state in the territory of another, normally acting to assist and protect the citizens… I thinking the Bride and the Church here… Those who are saved now in the age of Grace..

    The Greek word for Ambassador is the PRESBEUO, (pres-byoo’-o), that means, “an aged person, elder, be an ambassador, or be a representative (for someone).” It is used in classical Greek to denote the activity of an official envoy of a ruler or government who legally represented the authority responsible for sending him.

    Then I looked up The attributes of God…
    Elohim – strong One, divine (Genesis 1:1)
    Adonai – Lord, indicating a Master-to-servant relationship (Exodus 4:10, 13)
    El Elyon – Most High, the strongest One (Genesis 14:20)
    El Roi – the strong One who sees (Genesis 16:13)
    El Shaddai – Almighty God (Genesis 17:1)
    El Olam – Everlasting God (Isaiah 40:28)
    Yahweh – LORD “I Am,” meaning the eternal self-existent God (Exodus 3:13, 14).

    At salvation, every believer enters into a relationship with The Royal Family of God, through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and at the same time we become a representative of the Lord Jesus Christ on earth. Ambassadorship results from the fact that we are in union with Christ, caused by the Baptism of the Spirit, By Faith… Rom 6:3; Gal 3:27.
    Dead to Sin, Alive to God.. Wouldn’t that mean we are now in God’s Holy Consul…?
    Jesus being the Head of that Government Consul, and will come back to assist Him for 1000 years, and Beyond forever…

    Every Church Age believer is part of the Royal Family of God, representing the King of kings and Lord of lords during our time on this earth now, but when we get our Glorified Body’s…

    2Co 5:20  Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. 
    2Co 5:21  For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 
    1Ki 18:39  And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God. 

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    This is Michael Heiser work…
    A term used by Hebrew and Semitics scholars for the heavenly host, the pantheon of divine
    beings who administer the affairs of the cosmos. All ancient Mediterranean cultures had some
    conception of a divine council. The divine council of Israelite religion, known primarily through
    the psalms, was distinct in important ways
    The biblical writers refer
    exclusively to Yahweh as “the God” (ha4)e5lo4h|<m; I Kings 18:39) when that term occurs with
    respect to a singular entity. Yahweh is the “true God” ()e4lo4h|<m )e5met; Jer 10:10). The assertion
    points to the belief that, while Yahweh was an )e4lo4h|<m, he was qualitatively unique among the
    )e4lo4h|<m. The primary distinguishing characteristic of Yahweh from any other )e4lo4h|<m was his
    pre-existence and creation of all things (Is 45:18), including the “host of heaven” (Ps 33:6;
    148:1-5; cf. Neh 9:6), language that at times clearly refers to the other divine beings (cf. Job
    38:7-8; 1 Kings 22; Is 14:13; cp. Deut 4:19-20; 32:8-9, 43 [LXX, Qumran]; with Deut 17:3;

    Since the Hebrew Bible is clear that there are other
    sons of God (be5ne< [ha])e4lo4h|<m), New Testament writers clarify that Jesus, as the same essence as
    the Father, is unique among all heavenly sons of God.

    http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/HeiserIVPDC.pdf

    I see him saying in his writings, that Jesus and God are one in the same as is the Holy Spirit…

    This is from Got Questions:..
    The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God’s Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God—but there is only one God.

    “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” (Romans 11:33-34).

    https://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html

    Worldly governments are for the spiritually dead…
    As we live as pilgrims and strangers in this world, we are still ambassadors of Christ in a foreign land… Christ’s governmental system is far above the systems of this world and He’s coming back to Change that…

    1. of, from, or like God or a god.
    “heroes with divine powers”
    synonyms: godly, angelic, seraphic, saintly, beatific; heavenly, celestial, supernal, holy
    “a divine being”

    Consul is, an official appointed by a government to live in a foreign city…

    So while I think the topic is fascinating, I do think those who study these things have to be uber-careful to not allow what they find that is extra-Biblical color their interpretations of what the Bible actually says.

    I think we’ll all be joyfully surprised who’s Holy Divine Government we’ll all be apart of…

    1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    His MA and PhD in the Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages is far above what I could ever learn. But I’m still learning from everyone…

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    #128996
    Heather R
    Heather R
    Participant

    Yep, that’s not what I meant. He is stating that the image of the divine council is the same as the image of God… and man is created in all their images, not just the image of God. That’s the effect of his taking the trinity of Genesis 1 and inserting the divine council. All his degrees aside, that isn’t what my Bible teaches.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #128998

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    Heather you are absolutely correct about using uber discernment.
    Especially Trey. He can get a little “out there” sometimes.

    I had to Chuckle because I was thinking this as well…
    We all have teachers we love more than others, and we all do it… I could list you several I have followed for more than 30 years, and they all made mistakes… I still Love them none the less… I’ve made my own mistakes along that same path..
    Every Teacher may not be our cup of Tea, and we all have our Favorites Blends… Some times it’s Salt and sometimes It’s sweat as Honey..

    I guess I have a Christian futurist view point…. Wiki says… Futurism is a Christian eschatological view that interprets portions of the Book of Revelation and the Book of Daniel as future events in a literal, physical, apocalyptic, and global context… Futurist beliefs usually have a close association with Premillennialism and Dispensationalism.

    They are out on the edge for sure… and the Bible did say Knowledge would increase at the very end…

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    #129003

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    I think this is the one in Question… Not sure still listening to it..

    The attributes of God is being talked about at the 15:00 minute mark and what and who, they are… Elohim Realm or residence God / YHWH, gods of Council, Demons, Angels, disembodied dead…

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