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    gobyebye
    gobyebye
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    Let’s put a beautiful fruit tree in the Garden, and then tell them they cannot eat of it.
    Let’s mention Jesus coming back for them, and then tell them they cannot know the date,
    Like God did not know they would eat of it?
    Like God did not know they would spend time lusting after the date?

    2017, 2018 ; my soul grows bitter with the passing time. Make’s it easier for Satan to be a successful salesman.

    #129155
    David R
    David R
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    I am concerned that your attitude on these issues are fueling bitterness within yourself, Gobyebye. I don’t say that with a desire to condemn; rather, it is with a genuine wish that you would trust God knows far more than we do.

    Let’s put a beautiful fruit tree in the Garden, and then tell them they cannot eat of it.

    Like God did not know they would eat of it?

    He is God. Of course He knew the outcome of their decision. It remains their decision; we all have a choice whether to obey Him or not. That is an unavoidable consequence of having a free will.

    19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
    20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Romans 9:19-20

    I can bear God putting the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden by knowing He decided from eternity to put the Cross on Calvary.

    Let’s mention Jesus coming back for them, and then tell them they cannot know the date,

    Like God did not know they would spend time lusting after the date?

    We live in a paradoxical situation of knowing our time here is limited, and yet being obligated by our faithfulness to serve each moment to the fullest of our ability until Christ comes.

    The hope is that one generation will be the one chosen to escape death altogether. If the Church knew 2,000 years ago that it would not be in their lifetime, then they might have lost the incentive to spread the gospel. We don’t know on an individual level if we will survive to see the day. What we do know is there is a great reward for watching for it. That faithfulness will bear fruit on the Day when we stand before Him.

    Be blessed, and wait patiently.

    My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord;
    my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Psalm 84:2


    #129156

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    Paul wrote that if Satan had known what the Lord had in store for the Church, he’d have done everything in his power to prevent Jesus’ crucifixion, we are well past Paul’s time…
    Our lack of forgiveness is why we choose to hold onto bitterness, letting it ripen into full grown resentment.

    Wisdom from the Spirit
    1Co 2:6  Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 
    1Co 2:7  But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 
    1Co 2:8  Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 
    1Co 2:9  But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 
    1Co 2:10  But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 
    1Co 2:11  For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 
    1Co 2:12  Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 
    1Co 2:13  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 
    1Co 2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 

    Eph 4:29  Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 
    Eph 4:30  And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 
    Eph 4:31  Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 
    Eph 4:32  And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you. 

    When we take our Eyes off Jesus we start getting into trouble…
    James 3:14…

    The true wisdom is not the child of the intellect, but of the heart.

    #129160
    MyWhiteStone
    MyWhiteStone
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    It’s just my way of coping, gobyebye, with this type of common problem… (I’m honestly not suggesting my troubles help me understand yours…) I’m simply sharing this for what it may be worth…

    Here’s a tautology:

    1 – God loves me (us) more than I am (we are) capable of apprehending, comprehending, or fathoming, maybe ever.
    2 – God is sovereign
    Therefore: What is happening in my (our) life is the most loving thing that could be happening.

    Left-brain logic only here. My right brain is often crying out in anguish. But I should not feel like the Lone Ranger — consider Job.

    I maintain that blaming God for our pain has to be due to our ignorance of perspectives we could not possibly possess. Job and his friends (and we) in a way all simply lack God’s perspective on our lives. Our lot must be to depend on God with faith as the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. No other choice! He is The Sovereign!

    Job is the oldest book in the Bible. Job and his friends spend almost all of 37 chapters positing philosophical guilt / innocence / consequence arguments about God’s role in men’s lives. Job’s direct encounter with God though was essentially explained by a paraphrase of what God said in chapters 38 through 41: “Job, you could not possibly understand what’s been going on even if I told you.” And in His addressing Job God didn’t appear to be very deferential or seeker-friendly to poor Job. To wit —

    Job 38:1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said: “Who is this who darkens counsel By words without knowledge?…”

    After God’s non-stop pointing out Job’s inadequacy to understand his situation for the next two chapters, Job admits:

    Job 40:3-5 Then Job answered the Lord and said: “Behold, I am vile; What shall I answer You? I lay my hand over my mouth. Once I have spoken, but I will not answer; Yes, twice, but I will proceed no further.”

    Yet without skipping a beat, and after two more chapters of God’s nonstop pointing out Job’s inadequacy to understand things Job acknowledges his embarrassment more eloquently:

    Job 42:1-6 Then Job answered the Lord and said: “I know that You can do everything, And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You. You asked, ‘Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?’ Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand, Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know. Listen, please, and let me speak; You said, ‘I will question you, and you shall answer Me.’ “I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear, But now my eye sees You. Therefore I abhor myself, And repent in dust and ashes.”

    Maybe drilled down to bedrock and cinched onto God using “logic only” might help all of us. Maybe so, maybe not… It does for me, yet often through bitter tears and fears.

    The Devil be damned!!

    I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end He will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God; I myself will see Him with my own eyes -- I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me! Job19:25-27



    #129162
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
    Participant

    In trying to reconcile some seemingly unanswerable questions, I have sought the heart of God for some time. Indeed, none can say that the Lord was surprised by our fall. Nor was He surprised when the angels rebelled. Given that both men and angels were created beings, they then are less then than God.

    When I approached the Lord with these and many other questions, I asked to look into His heart. We having been made in His image and likeness, thought this would be a good place to start.

    After much searching and many questions I have settled on a scenario that gives me emotional peace.

    Given that we were in the mind and heart of God long before the foundations of the world were laid as Proverbs states, I could just imagine the time when the Lord decided to create man and offer us a divine romance. Though none was offered to the angels who were created long before we were.

    The Lord from before the creation of time fellowshipped with Himself, between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. At some point declared His intentions to create man and offer us His heart. At which point Satan’s pride was pricked and orchestrated creations first rebellion.

    For the enemies part, having been bypassed and having the angel’s station as simply servants reiterated, he then took on the appearance of a scorned lover syndrome. Ergo his wrath against Israel for birthing Messiah, and his hatred of mankind.

    After the angels rebelled, the Lord decided in His heart that for those of man who would also rebel would then do so in their own home called Earth, rather than in God’s home heaven. This scenario then explains why we were created mortal, why we call Earth home, and why we were not given immediate entrance into His presence.

    Seems to me that this series of events would dictate future events. The temptation of Eve, our being made a little lower than the angels, and after the formal curse for our disappointing fall, God setting the world, the devil and the flesh against us. Are we not told that we shall sit in judgment over the angels. Therefore, what we suffer in this life will grant us the authority to do so. Angels can never judge.

    For in this, God purposed in His heart to test the hearts of men. And then use men, by giving them less than the angels and requiring more of them, in order that their victory would be an ultimate indictment against the angels. Though they were created and fallible beings, this alone was not enough to indict them as it is for us as well. But our acceptance of Christ and his victory would be an earned indictment. Truly the blood of Christ shall give eternal life, or eternal death. He will be our reward, or hell will be.

    Indeed, we are told that His thoughts and ways are higher than ours. God being omniscient was never surprised but rather takes every opportunity to exercise His sovereignty. He alone is God!

    Many things then seem to come together as we connect all the dots, and when we look at God’s bigger picture of God’s heart. Even knowing that the enemy is aware of his eternal failure, he continues to keep us from and heavenly and divine romance.

    In the end, our position as the Bride of Christ, ruling and reigning with Him shall far exceed any glory ever offered to the angels. Angels will forever be simply servants, whereas Christ is our reward for what we temporarily suffer. Just as we are His reward for what He himself suffered!

    The enemies pride should speak resoundingly about any of us being presumptuous before our Creator God!

    TR

    #129163
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
    Participant

    Because the Father married Israel, the Lord Jesus is fashioning himself a bride without the spot of sin, the blemish of self, and the wrinkle of death by age.

    We then shall be given a gloried body that will imitate the body of Christ in his victory over death and the grave. This body then giving us opportunity to live eternally. While simultaneously guaranteeing that we can withstand the glory of God! For it was written that no flesh could see God and live.

    Let us rejoice for all the Lord hath done, even before time began. He conceived of us, loved us, choose us and died for us! And this was all settled in the Lord’s heart. This is why there is no God like our God!

    TR

    #129165

    Barry
    Participant

    “It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.” – Prov. 25:2

    John 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

    #129182
    gobyebye
    gobyebye
    Participant

    Why doth the wee one rage, and imagine a vain thing?

    Votes of thanks [David R]
    #129183
    David R
    David R
    Moderator

    Why doth the wee one rage, and imagine a vain thing?

    The wee one always rages, as he does not realize he isn’t at the center of the universe.

    My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord;
    my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Psalm 84:2


    Votes of thanks [Mike Mc, Victory Chanter, gobyebye]

    #129188

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    The Wee one is full of Rage and no one here knows why… Because he Speaks metaphorically Or he or she is very young…

    Do you know what the Bible says about speaking in Tongues without and interpreter…

    1Co 14:28  But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 
    1Co 14:29  Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 
    1Co 14:30  If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 
    1Co 14:31  For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 
    1Co 14:32  And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 
    1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 

    lusting after

    I feel like you don’t understand the Word Lust… Here is the Definition and the meaning..

    lust.
    VERB, have a very strong sexual desire for someone:

    “he really lusted after me in those days”

    synonyms: desire · be consumed with desire for · find sexually attractive · crave · covet · ache for · burn for · have the hots for · fancy · have a thing about/for · drool over

    “To lust is to want what you don’t have and weren’t meant to have,” “Lust goes beyond attraction, and appreciation of beauty, or even a healthy desire for sex it makes these desires more important than God. Lust wants to go outside God’s guidelines to find satisfaction.”

    The hope is that one generation will be the one chosen to escape death altogether

    my soul grows bitter with the passing time

    Maybe you should explain why you feel Bitter against those who hope to escape in 2017 or 2018…???

    Let your Yes be Yes and your No mean No..

    Why is it so difficult for us to simply say yes or no? Perhaps because we like the ambiguity of not having to follow through with what we say. Or maybe because it’s easier to put off a tough decision for a later time. We may flirt with tendencies towards deceitfulness and not want others to know our true intentions.

    Whatever the reason, God expects His children to be clear cut with their words. We aren’t to wade in the subtle grey areas of ambiguity with our words. Rather we are to be people who speak plainly, clearly, and truthfully so that we aren’t condemned by our own words.

    In other words your leaving Doubt for deceitfulness…

    ~

    gobyebye wrote:
    Why doth the wee one rage, and imagine a vain thing?

    Hoping for something and Lusting for something are Two Different things…

    ~

    Votes of thanks [David R, gobyebye]
    #129189
    Victory Chanter
    Victory Chanter
    Moderator

    Dear Gobyebye,
    We must remember we aren’t God. And because there is an enemy of our souls, He can’t reveal all truth ahead of time. This is where we stand on faith with our spiritual armor in place using that shield of faith. We are in a spiritual war. Do Commanders and Generals tell all ahead of time every move they make? Loose lips sink ships! That wouldn’t be wise. This is where we learn to trust God that He knows best and remember also He wants that none should perish. If you rush the date of the Rapture some poor souls will be lost for eternity who could’ve been saved.. We don’t know these circumstances. He does! This isn’t about us as individuals but us collectively. Trust God. Bottom line.

    Would you sacrifice family members, youth, or dear ones to you to rush the rapture before God’s best timing? Or would you instead be wiling to go through danger to reach someone in Heavens grandchild on a rescue mission? Knowing that one is petitioning in Heaven for this precious grandchild’s soul. Maybe you are needed for this mission. Imagine what the Tribulation will be like? From your comments it appears you don’t want to be left behind to experience it. Would you wish this then on others who could still be rescued?

    It seems to me if we are in a hurry for the Rapture to arrive then we need to get busy rescuing others. If you can’t physically get out there and do so, then pray like your life depends on it. Someone’s does. Keep your self ready to reach out. God has a way of sending people your way what ever our circumstances are. Focus on being ready to respond at a moments notice if and when an opportunity comes your way. That means attitude is important. Build up fruit of the Spirit to allow your light to shine in the darkness. This isn’t about you personally but us collectively. Attract with your God given charm and use it when the right moment hits… which means you might not see it coming but it suddenly will be in your face. Don’t lose that moment. What comes out of your mouth could just be the one comment that will cause the other to think more seriously about his situation and make all the difference in the world. Unexpected encounters or words have been known to send another spiraling in new and different directions. With God’s power behind your words, attitude, desire to make a difference, all things are possible For you/we can do all things through Christ who gives us strength. Found in Phillipians 3 , I believe.

    Attitude is important. You sound down and discouraged. I will put you on my prayer list near the top to inspire and encourage you. It’s okay to be eagerly watching and waiting. But fight discouragement. Never before have we seen so many things coming together signaling Christ’s nearness. We may see some awful things yet. But we have God’s promises to stand on. This isn’t the time to get discouraged and down. Stay prayed up and prepare to meet Jesus in your heart. He loves you so much He sacrificed to save you and would have done this if you were the only one He could’ve saved. Never doubt how much He loves you. The Rapture is a rescue event. That tells us big trouble will be around us in that day though we will be protected through it. Some may go home sooner but it will still be a rescue event. Yanked out of harm’s way before disaster falls on them. Trust God to know best. Love to you! :heart:

    The eyes of the Lord range throughout the entire earth, to strengthen those whose heart is true to him.



    Votes of thanks [David R, gobyebye, Melissa]

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