What is the vision spoken of in Habakkuk 2:3?

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    Terry
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    In Habakkuk 2:3 it says: “For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry”.

    In verse 1 it says: “I will stand upon my watch, and set me upon the tower, and will watch to see what he will say unto me, and what I shall answer when I am reproved”.

    And in verse 2 it says: “And the Lord answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it”.

    For many years, I believed this vision is a vision of Jesus, when we rise up to meet Him at the Rapture. But, I’m not really sure if this is what the vision really is! If anyone has an idea what this vision is, please let me know, I would appreciate it!

    Though it tarry, it will not tarry, sounds like a contradiction, but it can’t be, because God would not contradict Himself. It seems like it has to mean that even though the day of the Rapture tarry at first, wait for it, because once a certain period of time arrives, it will not tarry (delay).

    I believe the day of the Rapture is tarrying right now, and how, and when it began tarrying, as far as I’ve been able to understand, is from the time that two people came forward and told many people that the Rapture would occur in a particular year, Edgar Whisenant in 1988, and Harold Camping in 1994, and being that the Rapture didn’t occur in any of those years, the day of the Rapture has tarried from one, or both of those years, onward, for many years.

    This is just what I have been able to understand how, and when the day of the Rapture began tarrying. But, for all I know, it could mean something else entirely.

    And for those who might say that the vision described in Habakkuk 2:3 is not the vision of Jesus when we rise up to meet him at the Rapture, I would ask you to consider Hebrews 10:37 which says: “For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry”.
    There’s the same term: “will not tarry”, again, as seen at the very end of Habakkuk 2:3, which is talking about the vision. It seems that the “he that shall come”, must be referring to Jesus. And that Hebrews 10:37 and Habakkuk 2:3 are tied together.

    I was actually going to put up another post relating to Habakkuk 2:3, but being that I am not sure that Habakkuk 2:3 is referring to the day of the Rapture tarrying, I thought I would get some opinions first, of if you thought Habakkuk 2:3 is referring to the day of the Rapture tarrying at all. Because if it isn’t, then what I was going to post, wouldn’t fit.

    One last comment I would like to make, is that the day of the Rapture was meant to tarry, to weed out false Christians who would not remain faithful to God, who would get tired of waiting, who would become scoffers, who would say: “Where is the promise of his coming?

    We must never give up on the hope that we will be raptured some day, even if the waiting part seems like an eternity, as some of you have probably been waiting thirty years or more. All this waiting will be worth it in the end.

    #130634

    waragoodwarfare
    Participant

    Hi Terry,

    Lots of people seem to concentrate on the coming of the antichrist in their prophecy focus,
    but like you I would rather be found watching for the Blessed Hope. Titus s2:13, John 14:1-3, 1 Thes 4:17, etc.

    We don’t think of Hab 2s:13 in terms of the rapture because until Paul the Apostle announced this doctrine it was hidden but the Old Testament certainly is full of hints for sure.

    Blessings,
    Dave

    #130637
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
    Participant

    Indeed resurrection has long been identified with, if not understood. The mystery that Paul speaks of IMHO, is not that a corporate resurrection of saints would take place, but rather Paul gives us the context of timing and of a sequential process. A process apart from His second coming. If the doctrine of the rapture is understood properly.

    As many old testament saints expressed a belief in bodily resurrection and restoration, as well as many types and shadows of “translations” being documented. 1 Tim 6:14 & 15 tells us that His second coming and by extension, the “rapture” will occur in His sovereign timing. Again even when Jesus was asking Mary the brother of Lazarus regarding resurrection, she immediately responded with a last day scenario.

    The rapture itself although veiled for a long time, it would seem prudent on the Lord’s part not to concern the saints about an event yet so far off into the future, at least with regards to it’s timing.

    But with last days understanding of Daniels vision and prophecies being released and cultivated, the doctrinal truth of the existence of the Rapture looms ever more real and timely.

    TR


    #130638
    David R
    David R
    Moderator

    A prayer of Habakkuk the prophet upon Shigionoth.
    2 O Lord, I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O Lord, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy.
    3 God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.
    4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns [beams of light] coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.
    5 Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet.
    6 He stood, and measured the earth: he beheld, and drove asunder the nations; and the everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual hills did bow: his ways are everlasting. Habakkuk 3:1=6

    https://www.gotquestions.org/God-came-from-Teman.html

    I can’t say for certain that the vision being referenced is the rapture. If I had to guess, I’d say it might more likely be of the Day of the Lord, especially the Second Coming of Jesus in power to the Earth.

    The portion above is a poem, and may also be connected with the Jews returning from Babylonian captivity after 70 years.

    5 Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvelously: for I will work a work in your days which ye will not believe, though it be told you.
    6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans [Babylonians], that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs. Habakkuk 1:5-6

    http://www.bible-commentaries.com/source/johnschultz/BC_Habakkuk.pdf

    The Fausset’s Bible Dictionary states about the date of the prophet’s writing: “He probably prophesied in the 12th or 13th year of Josiah (630 or 629 B.C.), for the words “in your days” (Hab 1:5) imply that the prophecy would come to pass in the lifetime of the persons addressed. In Jer 16:9 the same phrase comprises 20 years, in Ezek 12:25 six years. Zeph 1:7 is an imitation of Hab 2:20; now Zephaniah (Zeph 1:1) lived under Josiah, and prophesied (compare Zeph 3:5,15) after the restoration of Jehovah’s worship, i.e. after the 12th year of Josiah’s reign, about 624 B.C. So Habakkuk must have been before this. Jeremiah moreover began prophesying in Josiah’s 13th year; now Jeremiah borrows from Habakkuk (compare Hab 2:13 with Jer 51:58); thus, it follows that 630 or 629 B.C. is Habakkuk’s date of prophesying (Delitzsch).”

    Fair Use For Educational or Discussion Purposes

    https://www.raystedman.org/bible-overview/adventuring/habukkuk-history-is-in-gods-hands

    What the people could not imagine was that judgment was coming. God was raising up the Babylonians and Judah was going to be taken into captivity.

    As the article above suggests, people live in denial that God is going to deal with sin. That is particularly true for today. Yet Jesus is coming and the world will be held accountable. They’re not going to “get away with it” forever.

    For us, the rapture is the deliverance from the wrath to come. I don’t think that was exactly what Habakkuk foresaw, except it is connected with the final answer God has to injustice in the world. The end message is the same: Wait for it; it’s coming.

    My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord;
    my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Psalm 84:2


    #130644

    Terry
    Participant

    Lots of people seem to concentrate on the coming of the antichrist in their prophecy focus,
    but like you I would rather be found watching for the Blessed Hope.

    Yes, and the Blessed Hope is my #1 focus.

    We don’t think of Hab 2s:13 in terms of the rapture because until Paul the Apostle announced this doctrine it was hidden but the Old Testament certainly is full of hints for sure.

    Yes! It was a mystery, and still is to some people.

    And, Tender Reed, thanks for sharing all that!

    Interesting prayer / poem, David.

    I can’t say for certain that the vision being referenced is the rapture. If I had to guess, I’d say it might more likely be of the Day of the Lord, especially the Second Coming of Jesus in power to the Earth.

    Yes, when we think of a vision of Jesus, I think we more so tend to think of Jesus’ Second Coming to the earth, because then everyone has a vision of Him in the sky, returning to this earth. Because at the Rapture, only those being raptured will see Him. Maybe it’s the Rapture, or maybe it’s the Second Coming, we shall wait, and see!

    #130659
    TxThom
    TxThom
    Keymaster

    The apostles appear to be expecting Jesus at any moment, likely within a week of His return to Glory. And there have been innumerable other expectations that the Day of the Lord is at Hand. In particular I’m thinking about the year 1000 and 1844 when the Millerites were made sad and the 7th Day Adventists arose.

    He likes a Big Bride and is tarrying until she is full grown. When she is fully grown, and the time is fully come, He won’t be tarrying any longer.

    I am convinced of this, that the One who began a good action among you will bring it to completion by the Day of the Messiah Jesus. Philippians 1:6



    #130662

    Terry
    Participant

    Interesting explanation, Thom, thank you!

    He likes a Big Bride and is tarrying until she is full grown. When she is fully grown, and the time is fully come, He won’t be tarrying any longer.

    That makes sense. And it sounds like this is the fullness of the Gentiles, which will be coming in.

    I thought I would go ahead and say what I was originally going to say, in the post I was unsure that I should post, having to do with this same subject, because I think it bears mentioning.

    First of all, I want to say: Let’s say that the vision mentioned in Habakkuk 2:3 is the vision of Jesus when we rise up to meet Him, at the Rapture. Now I’m going to quote what Habakkuk 2:3 says again, to make this point.
    “For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry”.

    Some years back, I was trying to find out what the word “Sivan” means, aside from it being the third jewish month, I thought it might have some other meaning, so I called the Jewish Community Library, and asked someone what the word “Sivan” means.
    And that person told me, not only is it the third jewish month, but it is an ancient arabic word which means: “To mark, or appoint”, and then this person told me: “But nobody seems to know why”. And then right away I thought of Habakkuk 2:3 which says: “For the vision is yet for an appointed time”, and then I thought to myself, I think I know why the word “Sivan” means: “To mark, or appoint”, because the jewish month of Sivan is God’s marked, or apoointed time for the Rapture.

    Now I know this doesn’t prove that the month of Sivan is God’s appointed time for the Rapture, but I thought this was interesting, and worth mentioning. Sivan may, or may not mean God’s appointed time for the Rapture, but we shall wait, and see!

    Now, if anyone calls the Jewish Community Library, or any library for that matter, today, I am not sure they will give you this definition, but when I called someone definitely did!

    Sivan will be here soon, after the month of Iyar.

    #130705

    2ndcoming
    Participant

    Habakkuk 2:3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.

    The vision is for the events that shall take place in 7 years tribulation. It began with the event God foretold in 1 Habakkuk:6-11.

    1 Habakkuk:6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs.

    7 They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.

    8 Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat.

    9 They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.

    10 And they shall scoff at the kings, and the princes shall be a scorn unto them: they shall deride every strong hold; for they shall heap dust, and take it.

    11 Then shall his mind change, and he shall pass over, and offend, imputing this his power unto his god.

    AC has many names.King of Assyria,King of Babylon are one of them. He also bears the name Chaldean. At this time,he has already moved to Shinar and sets there as his own base. From my previous thread “Illustration of tribulation timeline,where the seals,trumpets and vials are”,I have placed his move before the dedication of third temple. God changes his name to Chaldean and King of Babylon after he finished making his move to Shinar.

    Verse 6 “which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs.” is in parallel to Isaiah 23 verse 13 and Zechariah 5:5-11.

    Isaiah 23:13 Behold the land of the Chaldeans; this people was not, till the Assyrian founded it for them that dwell in the wilderness: they set up the towers thereof, they raised up the palaces thereof; and he brought it to ruin.

    After Habakkuk received the message concerning these Chaldeans from God, he filed his second complaint to God from verses 12 to 17.

    12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them (Chaldeans) for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them (CHaldeans) for correction.

    13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them (Chaldeans) that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

    14 And makest men as the fishes of the sea, as the creeping things, that have no ruler over them?

    15 They (Chaldeans) take up all of them with the angle, they (Chaldeans) catch them in their net, and gather them in their drag: therefore they (Chaldeans) rejoice and are glad.

    16 Therefore they (Chaldeans) sacrifice unto their net, and burn incense unto their (Chaldeans) drag; because by them their (CHaldeans) portion is fat, and their meat (CHaldeans) plenteous.

    17 Shall they therefore empty their net, and not spare continually to slay the nations?

    And this is how God responded to Habakkuk concerning His judgment on AC and his Chaldeans followers.

    2 Habakkuk:2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.

    3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.

    4 Behold, his (AC) soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

    5 Yea also, because he (AC) transgresseth by wine, he (AC) is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his (AC) desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him (AC) all nations, and heapeth unto him (AC) all people:

    Woe to the Chaldeans

    6 Shall not all these take up a parable against him (AC), and a taunting proverb against him (AC), and say, Woe to him (AC) that increaseth that which is not his (AC)! how long? and to him that ladeth himself with thick clay!

    7 Shall they not rise up suddenly that shall bite thee (AC), and awake that shall vex thee (AC), and thou (AC) shalt be for booties unto them?

    8 Because thou (AC) hast spoiled many nations, all the remnant of the people shall spoil thee (AC); because of men’s blood, and for the violence of the land, of the city, and of all that dwell therein.

    9 Woe to him (AC) that coveteth an evil covetousness to his (AC) house, that he (AC) may set his nest on high, that he (AC) may be delivered from the power of evil!

    10 Thou (AC) hast consulted shame to thy house by cutting off many people, and hast sinned against thy (AC) soul.

    11 For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the timber shall answer it.

    12 Woe to him (AC) that buildeth a town with blood, and stablisheth a city by iniquity!

    16 Thou (AC) art filled with shame for glory: drink thou also, and let thy (AC) foreskin be uncovered: the cup of the LORD’S right hand shall be turned unto thee (AC), and shameful spewing shall be on thy (AC) glory.

    #130706

    2ndcoming
    Participant

    Babylon shall be AC’s religious headquarter after he moves from Rome to Shinar (Zechariah 5:5-11). All these Chaldeans are his followers,being deceived by his black magic and sorcery. God calls them no more tender and delicate in Isaiah 47.

    Isaiah 47:1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.

    2 Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.

    3 Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.

    4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.

    God also calls them The Lady of Kingdoms.

    5 Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.

    Sounds like a religious establishment that worship Mary?

    But tragic thing happens to Israel. God shall give His people into the hand of this Lady of Kingdoms.

    6 I was wroth with my people, I have polluted mine inheritance, and given them into thine hand: thou didst shew them no mercy; upon the ancient hast thou very heavily laid thy yoke.

    Out of all evil,Replacement Theology is one of the worst,because it came from Satan,not from God. At this time,Replacement Theology shall flourish to it’s climax among kindred and nations,under the influence of AC and his religious establishment,resulted in Israel’ demise.

    #130708

    Terry
    Participant

    The vision is for the events that shall take place in 7 years tribulation. It began with the event God foretold in 1 Habakkuk:6-11.

    Yeah, but if the vision is for the events that shall take place in 7 years tribulation, then why does it say: “but at the end it shall speak”? In other words, how can a vision of events speak? And why does it indicate that it tarries at first, and then, later on, it will not tarry? I’m confused. :unsure:

    I would ask you to consider Hebrews 10:37 which says: “For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry”.
    There’s the same term: “will not tarry”, again, as seen at the very end of Habakkuk 2:3, which is talking about the vision. It seems that the “he that shall come”, must be referring to Jesus. And that Hebrews 10:37 and Habakkuk 2:3 are tied together.

    And not events that shall take place in 7 years tribulation, but rather, a vision of he (Jesus), that shall come, who will come, and will not tarry.

    #130738

    2ndcoming
    Participant

    Terry, there is no association between Habakkuk 2:3 and Hebrews 10:37. God showed Habakkuk the vision of the unjust and iniquity of Chaldeans. This vision is appointed at the very end of the time and how God shall deal with these people. In Hebrew 10 Paul focused on Christ and his sacrifice once for all message.

    Hebrews 10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

    “he” is Jesus who shall come will come,and shall not tarry. And this event has nothing to do with the event in 2 Habakkuk 2:3.

    Concerning why the vision shall speak at the end,I have attached the meaning of Hebrew word wə-yā-p̄ê-aḥ.

    http://biblehub.com/hebrew/6315.htm

    There are many versions of Habakkuk 2:3 besides King James version..

    New International Version
    For the revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay.

    New Living Translation
    This vision is for a future time. It describes the end, and it will be fulfilled. If it seems slow in coming, wait patiently, for it will surely take place. It will not be delayed.

    English Standard Version
    For still the vision awaits its appointed time; it hastens to the end—it will not lie. If it seems slow, wait for it; it will surely come; it will not delay.

    International Standard Version
    For the revelation pertains to an appointed time— it speaks truthfully about the end. Though it delays, wait for it, because it will surely come about— it will not be late!

    I don’t see it strange when a vision does speak/hasten/describe the end.

    #130741
    TxThom
    TxThom
    Keymaster

    Sivan 1 is Friday, May 26. It’s the anniversary of the day that The Flood waters receded and the day Israel assembled at Mt. Sinai. Shavuot / Pentecost starts Wednesday May 31 aka Sivan 6.

    I am convinced of this, that the One who began a good action among you will bring it to completion by the Day of the Messiah Jesus. Philippians 1:6



    #130761

    2ndcoming
    Participant

    The Chaldeans shall be all over the world. They are not necessarily confined to Chaldea.

    Take RCC for example. Their head quarter is in Rome. When a person decides to follow the Pope,he/she shall take on the identity of a Roman Catholic. We have Roman Catholic in Canada, USA,Britain,China,Australia,Ghana,Ivory Coast,Germany,Italy,Argentina,Sweden,France,Philippine,……….They are all over the world.

    Same as the Chaldeans. When they decide to follow AC and since his religion is headquartered in Chaldea,God sees them taking on the identity of a Chaldean and nicknames them Chaldeans.

    God gave Habakkuk the message of the unjust and iniquity of these Chaldeans. Habakkuk complained and asked God when would justice be served. God then told Habakkuk to write down the vision which is appointed and reserved at the very end of the time. In this vision, God didn’t name the leader of these Chaldeans but simply used “he” to identify him. I added (AC) besides “he” to help readers understand better.

    #130763

    2ndcoming
    Participant

    Let’s read the vision again.

    2 Habakkuk:2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.

    3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.

    4 Behold, his (AC) soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

    5 Yea also, because he (AC) transgresseth by wine, he (AC) is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his (AC) desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him (AC) all nations, and heapeth unto him (AC) all people:

    Woe to the Chaldeans

    6 Shall not all these take up a parable against him (AC), and a taunting proverb against him (AC), and say, Woe to him (AC) that increaseth that which is not his (AC)! how long? and to him that ladeth himself with thick clay!

    7 Shall they not rise up suddenly that shall bite thee (AC), and awake that shall vex thee (AC), and thou (AC) shalt be for booties unto them?

    8 Because thou (AC) hast spoiled many nations, all the remnant of the people shall spoil thee (AC); because of men’s blood, and for the violence of the land, of the city, and of all that dwell therein.

    9 Woe to him (AC) that coveteth an evil covetousness to his (AC) house, that he (AC) may set his nest on high, that he (AC) may be delivered from the power of evil!

    10 Thou (AC) hast consulted shame to thy house by cutting off many people, and hast sinned against thy (AC) soul.

    11 For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the timber shall answer it.

    12 Woe to him (AC) that buildeth a town with blood, and stablisheth a city by iniquity!

    16 Thou (AC) art filled with shame for glory: drink thou also, and let thy (AC) foreskin be uncovered: the cup of the LORD’S right hand shall be turned unto thee (AC), and shameful spewing shall be on thy (AC) glory.

    My focus is on verse 12 and 16.

    “Woe to him that builds a town with blood,and establish a city by iniquity”. This is the literal city Babylon in Revelation 16:19,and Revelation 18.

    Concerning verse 16 “the cup of the LORD’s right hand shall be turned unto thee”,God gave us further details in Revelation 16:19.

    Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

    #130821
    Solo
    Solo
    Participant

    Sivan may, or may not mean God’s appointed time for the Rapture, but we shall wait, and see

    Terry,
    Thank you very much for that most interesting bit of information! Sivan 6

    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Cor 15 3-4 KJV

    #130862

    Terry
    Participant

    Thank you very much for that most interesting bit of information! Sivan 6

    Your very welcome, Solo. Yes, Sivan 6, Shavuot (jewish pentecost),on May 31st, could be the day of the Rapture, one of the days I guessed it could be on. Glad you appreciated it. 🙂

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