There is no such thing as a "lukewarm" Christian

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    Heather R
    Heather R
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    If you’ve been around the Bible block for any amount of time, you’ve more than likely heard people tossing around the phrase “lukewarm Christian”. What they probably mean to say is “backsliding Christian”, which is possible. However, it is impossible for a Christian – someone who has been born-again by profession of faith in the gospel message of Jesus Christ – to be lukewarm.

    There are really long and detailed explanations one can give to prove this, but I’ll make it simple and give you 5 such proofs, all contained within the letter itself. First, let’s read the text of the letter to the church of the Laodiceans to gain some context for this phrase.

    Revelation 3:14-22 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

    First, we are told the works of the church are neither cold nor hot. They are lukewarm. It is from this text, people derive the phrase “lukewarm Christian”. But lukewarm is being used in the most negative connotation possible, since remaining that way will lead to Jesus vomiting someone out of His mouth. Here is the first clue this church is not saved. What are we told about the true church, the real body of Christ?

    Ephesians 4:15-16 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

    We are told the body of Christ, of which Jesus is the head, is “fitly joined together”. Thus, if these “lukewarm” people were actually part of His body, Jesus would not be preparing to vomit them out of His mouth. Such an act is not possible when a body is “fitly joined together”. These people are not part of the body of Christ.

    Secondly, we are told even though they are earthly rich, Jesus calls them poor. How could this be? Because they have no heavenly treasures stored. The material wealth the church possesses leaves it comfortable and complacent and feeling as though they need nothing beyond what they have. They are just fine with their temporary things and have no view toward the eternal.

    Matthew 6:19-21 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

    Jesus counsels them to buy heavenly treasures from Him, meaning they don’t have any. Those who are not heaven-bound cannot store up treasures in heaven. Simple as that.

    Next, we see Jesus counseling the church of the Laodiceans to buy of Him white raiment. As we found in the letter to the church of Sardis, white raiment is given to those who are worthy.

    Revelation 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

    And how does one become worthy to obtain this white raiment?

    Revelation 1:5b Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

    We become worthy by professing faith in the gospel message of Jesus Christ: His death, burial, and resurrection. If one is being counseled to obtain something from Jesus which can only be obtained through profession of faith, then it is a sure bet said person has not professed faith in Jesus nor been declared worthy in the sight of God. That person is not saved.

    The fourth reason we know the Laodiceans are not saved is that they are being called blind. It is impossible to be able to discern things of the Spirit with no Spirit in you. It is also not possible to be referred to as blind when one has the Holy Spirit in them. After all, the Holy Spirit cannot be both blind and the inspirer and interpreter of all Scripture.

    Finally, we know the Laodiceans are not saved because Jesus is standing outside their door.

    Jesus finished the work on the cross. There is no work left to do, which is evidenced by the fact He is currently seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven. One who has work to do does not remain seated. Yet Jesus does. Because “it is finished”. The only thing anyone else has to do is reach out and take hold of His gift. They have to open to door to their heart and accept what He wants so desperately to give them… eternal life.

    But they have to take that last step. They have to make that choice.

    This is why the letter to the church of the Laodiceans pictures Jesus standing outside and knocking. He comes to them. He makes His presence known. They have to take that last step which sees them opening the door and inviting Him in. This is why salvation is an individual free-will decision. All have the opportunity to be saved. Not all will take advantage of said opportunity… because they do not see a need. Just like the people of this church.

    There is no such thing as a “lukewarm Christian”. One is either saved, or they are not. This church was not. Not even a little…

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #127122

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    Mark 4:18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
    Mark 4:19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
    Mark 4:20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.
    They (this church), was allowing the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things to get in the way and come in and choke the word of God off, making it unfruitful. Millions around the world today need Salvation, but as you posted in another post. Most are in Laodicea church’s now that we’re almost at the end of this church age of Grace. Our Dispensational period of time is almost up. The fact that these lukewarm individuals to whom Christ speaks are not saved is seen in the picture of Jesus standing outside of the church as you pointed out so well above.
    Salvation is so simple a child gets it. Example:. Our granddaughter (age 8),spent the night with us during this holiday weekend, and I ask her just now, what makes you a Christian. Her child like faith was a simple answer, because Jesus died for me. Children speak from the heart they haven’t been corrupted by the things of this world yet, until they grow up.

    The people in this church didn’t learn why, to busy playing church, or other things.

    #127124
    Donna
    Donna
    Participant

    Thanks Heather for your post ~~

    The people in this church didn’t learn why, too busy playing church, or other things.

    seems to me that today’s Laodicea ‘church’ falsely clings even more to the likes of the world’s riches and its self-satisfaction and sugar coated messages ~~. It was the only church Christ did not commend for anything. Scary ~

    ~


    #127127
    Tom
    Tom
    Keymaster

    The laodicean “church” are Christians in name only. They have not had a heart change. They believe the Bible is wrong about abortion(murder) or same sex marriage or creation, or Hell or most other Biblical doctrines. That is why Jesus said he would spit them out of His mouth.

    “Christian” means follower of Christ. The Laodiceans do not follow Christ. Most are even ashamed to use His name. A present political example of this is that there are a few members of the Republican party that are not true republicans in their voting record. They are therefore called RINO’s….republicans in name only. What we have in the Laodicean church are CINO’s.



    Gods plan and purpose for my life is never at risk. Phil 1:6

    #127130

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    It was the only church Christ did not commend for anything. Scary ~

    Every time I see these warnings from the body of Christ, we need them all so we don’t fall into the old trap of deception even though we are saved individuals, and make up the Body. I am far from being a model Christian, but I keep on trying one step at a time. I want Jesus to Hug me and tell me, Well Done, that’s the first thing I want to here.
    For those who are in False church’s and those still lost, Oh My…!!!

    ~ Scary ~ Yes in deed it is.

    And old Hymn comes to mind, why did the Lord picked us.
    I had a Choice to say Yes or No to his free offer.

    Why Me
    Kris Kristofferson

    Why me Lord, what have I ever done
    To deserve even one
    Of the pleasures I’ve known
    Tell me Lord, what did I ever do
    That was worth loving you
    Or the kindness you’ve shown

    Lord help me Jesus, I’ve wasted it so
    Help me Jesus I know what I am
    Now that I know that I’ve need you so
    Help me Jesus, my soul’s in your hand

    Tell me Lord, if you think there’s a way
    I can try to repay
    All I’ve taken from you
    Maybe Lord, I can show someone else
    What I’ve been through myself
    On my way back to you

    Lord help me Jesus, I’ve wasted it so
    Help me Jesus I know what I am
    Now that I know that I’ve need you so
    Help me Jesus, my soul’s in your hand

    ~~~

    #127131
    Goodcheer
    Goodcheer
    Participant

    But the good news is that Jesus is knocking at their door, reminding us that He wants no one to perish. So, we’ll keep praying for them. Time is short!

    Delight thyself also in the Lord: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.


    #127135

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    Most are even ashamed to use His name

    And herein lies the paradigm shift. That’s going to come at a very high cost down the road. May not be today or tomorrow, but it will come unless they change their direction of 180 degrees.

    Luke 9:26

    “For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.”

    What we have in the Laodicean church are CINO’s.

    I wouldn’t want to be those CINO’s shoes, Key Master… :whistle:

    ~

    #127142

    Watchman35
    Participant

    Totally agree with you, Tom. CINO is the perfect term for the lukewarm of whom the Lord spoke in Revelation 3. In my experience, it is much easier to share the gospel with someone who is living in undisguised rebellion to the Lord than it is to engage a Laodicean CINO. The former often possesses some measure of recognition of their need for God, while the latter usually thinks everything is just fine. I need to remind myself, more often than I care to admit, that there but for the grace of God go I.

    John 14:1-3 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also."

    #127151

    2ndcoming
    Participant

    For me,the definition of lukewarm Christians is this,they think they are saved but in reality they are not. Just like the Pharisees certain they can see God when they die,but God has a different place for them.

    #127159

    2ndcoming
    Participant

    Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

    My take on the lukewarm church is they think they are spiritually rich. They are in need of nothing. Jesus doesn’t mean they are earthly rich,but to counter them as miserable,blind,and naked. And the only remedy for them is to lean on Jesus,which is exemplified in the following verse..

    Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

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