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    Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

    This thread is a further study to my previous thread in which I have related the mystery of God to the 70 jubilees in 2024 Tishri 10.

    Leviticus 25:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.

    Israeli entered their land in 1406 BC, on the tenth day of Nisan.

    Leviticus 25:3 Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof;

    The six years are 1406 BC, 1405 BC, 1404 BC, 1403 BC, 1402 BC,and 1401 BC.

    Leviticus 25:4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard. 5That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: for it is a year of rest unto the land.

    The seventh year is 1400 BC.

    Leviticus 25:8 And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

    Adding 49 years to 1406 BC, we come to 1358 BC, not 1357 BC, because 1406 BC being the 1st year, with 1358 BC being the 49th year.

    Leviticus 25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

    The sounding of trumpet should have taken place on Tishri 10 1358 BC.

    Leviticus 25:10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.11 A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. 12 For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.

    The fiftieth year is 1357 BC. The 1st jubilee unto Israel, when Liberty should have been proclaimed throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof.

    1357 BC is also the 1st year of the next round of 49 years. Adding 48 years to 1357 BC,not 49 years because first and last year is included,we come to 1309 BC as the 49th year,with the following year 1308 BC being the fiftieth year and the 2nd jubilee.

    1308 BC is also the first year of the next round of 49 years, with 1260 BC being the 49th years,and 1259 BC being the 3rd jubilee.

    When we repeat this cycle 70 times,the 70th round of 49 years began in 1976 being the 1st year,and 2024 being the 49th year.

    Leviticus 25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

    On the tenth day of the seventh month in year 2024, in the day of atonement, a trumpet shall be sounded throughout the land. This is also the very last trumpet of the 70 jubilee cycle,with 2025 being the 70th jubilee.

    If God does ordain a 70 jubilees among His children Israel,regardless of the time they are negligent of His words,and their time in exile,then on the sounding of the trumpet on Tishri 10 2024, God’s mystery shall be finished,because there won’t be another round of 49 years.

    And when God’s mystery is finished on the tenth day of Tishri in 2024,the 7th trumpet shall also be sounded on the same day because these two events are tied together.

    Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

    #130599

    2ndcoming
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    Even though we use 1406 BC Nisan to 1405 BC Nisan (for calculation sake) as their first year in promised land,1405 BC Nisan to 1404 BC Nisan as the 2nd year,1404 BC Nisan to 1403 BC Nisan as the 3rd year, it still doesn’t change my calculation. It only strengthen and points the 70th jubilee falls between 2025 Nisan to 2026 Nisan,with Jesus returning on Nisan 15 to complete the final/70th jubilee with his people Israel.

    #130600
    Ring Bearer
    Ring Bearer
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    If the mystery of God is the fullness of the Gentiles, something the enemy of God apparently never fathomed before Christ’s passover, maybe the completion of that is the fullness of Gentiles being completed?

    #130601

    2ndcoming
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    God’s mystery can’t be the fullness of gentiles because when the 7th trumpet is sounded,we learn that the wrath of Christ is still to come (Revelation 11:15-18). 7th trumpet does not take place at the end of tribulation while fullness of gentiles shall take place at the very end of tribulation.

    #130604
    Heather R
    Heather R
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    The mystery of God is God’s plan of salvation via the Gospel.

    I Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

    It’s final preaching occurs at the 7th Trumpet.

    Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

    Matthew 24 shows this —

    Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    It’s mid-trib, right before the flight of the remnant.

    We see this in Rev 14, which occurs before the Vials are poured out.

    Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

    Further in Revelation 14, we see Jesus beginning to reap the earth.

    A few things occur in conjunction with the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. That’s one of them… possibly even what precipitates the Abomination of Desolation. The angel tells the world to worship God. Then, the AC declares himself to be above all of it. Just like Matthew 24:14-15 shows… the remnant flees immediately after the angel preaches the Gospel.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #130605

    2ndcoming
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    Heather, I shall address your comment with the same answer I gave to Ring Bearer.

    Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

    The key words are “the mystery of God should be finished“. If mystery of God is the salvation to mankind,you must be kidding me because you are suggesting that God shall stop the salvation at the sounding of 7th trumpet. You are also suggesting that no men/women can be saved after the 7th trumpet is sounded. And we know that there are still times left in between the 7th trumpet and the second coming of Jesus.

    http://biblehub.com/text/revelation/10-7.htm

    The word “should be finished” is Greek word teleo.

    http://biblehub.com/greek/5055.htm

    It means “to bring to an end,complete,fulfill”. I do believe God shall bring the 70 jubilees to an end on Tishri 10 2024,with the following fiftieth year/2025 being the final jubilee/70th jubilee.

    #130606

    2ndcoming
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    Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

    2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

    When God does ordain a 70 jubilees among His people,then 2025 is the acceptable year of the LORD. And this is also the day of vengeance of our God,to comfort all that mourn.

    #130607
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
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    2025???

    I’ve seen 2023-2024 for years now, never 2025… probably because no Jubilee count can be associated with it. :rose:

    But I’m open to you showing how you come to this conclusion using biblical and historical evidence.

    #130608

    2ndcoming
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    Then you should go back to my first post, and see it yourself.

    #130609
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
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    I did, and then I went on a search for evidence to back it up, I found none.

    2 Peter 1:20

    #130610

    2ndcoming
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    But how then did you find the evidence on 2023-2024?

    #130611
    Heather R
    Heather R
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    If mystery of God is the salvation to mankind,you must be kidding me because you are suggesting that God shall stop the salvation at the sounding of 7th trumpet.

    No, I said it was the final preaching of the Gospel, not the end of salvation.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #130612
    Savedat33
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    So, I ask you to prove your statement and you turn it around and ask me to prove mine? Ahahah, I asked you first.

    So, after you… you made the statement. If you don’t have the biblical and historical proof to back up your statement, perhaps you should rethink making bold statements? :rose:

    PS – I went to law school, so unless you prove your statement and give me something more than: 2025 – we will go back and forth for hours and I will probably love the verbal sparring. :rose:

    #130613

    2ndcoming
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    So, I ask you to prove your statement and you turn it around and ask me to prove mine? Ahahah, I asked you first.
    So, after you… you made the statement. If you don’t have the biblical and historical proof to back up your statement, perhaps you should rethink making bold statements? :rose:
    PS – I went to law school, so unless you prove your statement and give me something more than: 2025 – we will go back and forth for hours and I will probably love the verbal sparring. :rose:

    The year Israeli entered the land was in 1406 BC. Adding 70 jubilees or 3430 years to it, we come to 2025 AD as the 70th jubilee. Unless you have a different year of Israeli entered the promised land,then my calculation is valid. And it goes hand in hand with the 70 years of prophecy we find in Zechariah 1,Jeremiah 25:12-38 and Isaiah 23. These 70 years shall be my bold statement to your question.

    #130614

    2ndcoming
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    If mystery of God is the salvation to mankind,you must be kidding me because you are suggesting that God shall stop the salvation at the sounding of 7th trumpet.

    No, I said it was the final preaching of the Gospel, not the end of salvation.

    Heather, God has many mysteries. Mystery of salvation is not what God intended in Revelation 10:7, because the mystery in Revelation 10:7 has a time issue and an expiry date on it. And that expiry date is on the sounding of 7th trumpet,while Jesus’ blood bears no boundary and carries forward for many many years.

    #130615
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
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    Ok, how did you count your years, my friend? Hebrew or Gregorian? Because if it is Gregorian, you are already using the wrong calendar.

    #130616

    2ndcoming
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    I don’t use Hebrew calendar. From my thread titled “Where are we now” (you should go read it), I believe they are off by 223 years. We should be in year 6000 instead of what they claim Hebrew year 5777.

    And many historians and bible scholars believe the first year of Solomon’s reign is in year 970 BC. This is my base to calculate the year of Exodus which took place in 1446 BC,with 1406 BC the year they entered the promised land.

    And from that (year of Solomon’s reign in 970 BC) I have Ezekiel’s 430 years iniquity of Israel comes to it’s fullest/completion in year 2018 ( you can read my thread titled “My perspective on Ezekiel’s 430 years prophecy”),with God unleashing the 7 years of tribulation in 2018 which resulted in Jesus’ return in 2025. And it also echoes the 70 years prophecy we find in Zechariah 1,Jeremiah 25:12-38 and Isaiah 23.

    Is it coincidence that I have incorporated all these years to line up with God’s prophecy,including this calculation of 70th jubilee being in 2025?

    I don’t think so. You just have to dwell in and heed all these scenario.

    #130617
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
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    God established the Hebrew Calender. The day count for the 7 year period of Tribulation (Daniel’s 70th week) is calculated using a 360 day year.

    Your count, biblically, is wrong. Ergo, your count is wrong. No offense. The Lord establishes the time and the seasons. He did so in the Bible. The 365 day count was originally invented by the Egyptians (post Exodus) they originally had a 360 day count.

    http://www.answers.com/mobile/Q/Who_invented_the_365_day_calendar

    I would recommend making calender counts using the numbers that the Lord established.

    *fair use for informational and educational purposes only*

    #130618

    2ndcoming
    Participant

    I have no doubt that Daniel’s 70th week consists only 2520 days,or 7 biblical years. But that doesn’t put all the 70 jubilees in the same category,that is,based on biblical year count.

    Can you elaborate more on your thought?

    #130627
    Heather R
    Heather R
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    Savedat33, he is using the same logic I did, but his dates are one year different than mine. For example, I had Solomon’s reign from 971-931. He has it starting in 970.

    He is using 1446-1406 BC for the 40 years in the wilderness, whereas I used 1447-1407.

    His dates are not uncommon. But they don’t jive with a 586 BC destruction of the temple, which he is also using. According to that timeline, he should be placing it in 587 BC.

    I used 588 BC.

    Under a 587 BC temple destruction, Ezekiel’s vision in 40:1 would put his jubilee year in 574-573 BC, leading to 2024-25 as a final jubilee year.

    I had 575-574 BC, landing Ezekiel’s vision on Nisan 10 574 BC, which is what Ussher’s Chronology lists it as. Counting forward, the final jubilee year would be 2023-24.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #130630
    Heather R
    Heather R
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    Heather, God has many mysteries. Mystery of salvation is not what God intended in Revelation 10:7, because the mystery in Revelation 10:7 has a time issue and an expiry date on it. And that expiry date is on the sounding of 7th trumpet,while Jesus’ blood bears no boundary and carries forward for many many years.

    Again, not talking about salvation. Talking about the preaching of the Gospel. The two witnesses are taken to heaven in Rev 11. The 144K have been removed from the earth in Rev 14. The preaching of the gospel to the entire world occurs via angel in the same chapter. Then, the end comes. You’re equating the global preaching of the Gospel to salvation. I’m not. I’m equating it to the timeline Jesus gives in Matthew 24. It’s a specific event appointed to occur at a specific time. That specific time is at the 7th Trumpet.

    The jubilee isn’t a mystery. It was pretty plainly given in Leviticus 25, and Isaiah 61 shows His Second Coming will correlate to one.

    Lots of Biblical commentaries about Rev 10:7 speak of Gospel and coming Kingdom in this regard. Not only is the global preaching of the Gospel done, but in Rev 11:15-17, there is a further exaltation of the Son to a place of kingship in heaven. There is also the AoD and flight of the remnant. There is also the war in heaven and Satan being permanently expelled. Those are all midst of the Week events.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #130635

    2ndcoming
    Participant

    Heather, you can’t equate the mystery of God in Revelation 10:7 to the preaching of Gospel either, because that will stop on the sounding of 7th trumpet too. Preaching of Gospel shall continue after the 7th trumpet, until Jesus’ return on mount Zion.

    Your 2023-2024 timeline doesn’t go hand in hand with the 70 years prophesied by God in Zechariah 1,Jeremiah 25:12-38,Isaiah 23 and Ezekiel’s 430 prophecy of Israel iniquity. All my calculation are in conjunction with God’s words through His prophets Zechariah,Jeremiah,Isaiah and Ezekiel. How do you justify your timeline with these prophets? And what about sharing your thought on the 70 years we find in these prophets? I can hardly wait to hear your thought on their words.

    #130636
    Heather R
    Heather R
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    Heather, you can’t equate the mystery of God in Revelation 10:7 to the preaching of Gospel either, because that will stop on the sounding of 7th trumpet too. Preaching of Gospel shall continue after the 7th trumpet, until Jesus’ return on mount Zion.

    That’s an assumption predicated on no verses in the Bible, especially not in Revelation.

    Your 2023-2024 timeline doesn’t go hand in hand with the 70 years prophesied by God in Zechariah 1,Jeremiah 25:12-38,Isaiah 23 and Ezekiel’s 430 prophecy of Israel iniquity. All my calculation are in conjunction with God’s words through His prophets Zechariah,Jeremiah,Isaiah and Ezekiel. How do you justify your timeline with these prophets? And what about sharing your thought on the 70 years we find in these prophets? I can hardly wait to hear your thought on their words.

    Well I guess since I’m wrong, I don’t need to waste the time doing a jubilee calculation then, huh?

    Be careful what you tell other people they are wrong about simply because you came across different information. You’re using someone else’s dates and assuming they’re correct, then telling everyone else they’re wrong if they don’t agree. Not good grounds for discussion.

    And no, I’ve already provided my research and will not again. You didn’t want it the first time I offered, so I doubt you really want it now.

    Since this conversation has considerably deteriorated, I’ll excuse myself from it. Good luck in your research.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #130639
    waiting on him
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    Well I figure that being next year is the 70th from 1948 its the year. BUT Hoping Heather is right!! Now if we see 2019 then there is a problem.. Im not real happy with the Bible sort of speak, cause no matter where you read in it there will be 10,000 different opinions of it. Shouldnt be that way, if the bible is from God we ALL should be on the same page.. Many are of the opinion that 70 years is a generation, If we see 2019 then we need to wonder how true the Bible is… Praying we dont have to…

    #130641

    Barry
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    Well I figure that being next year is the 70th from 1948 its the year. BUT Hoping Heather is right!! Now if we see 2019 then there is a problem.. Im not real happy with the Bible sort of speak, cause no matter where you read in it there will be 10,000 different opinions of it. Shouldnt be that way, if the bible is from God we ALL should be on the same page.. Many are of the opinion that 70 years is a generation, If we see 2019 then we need to wonder how true the Bible is… Praying we dont have to…

    We’re imperfect humans. There’s no way we will all be on the same page about everything until the world to come.

    Whether the Lord returns this year, next year, or long after all of us on this board are dead and gone, the Bible is not an ounce less true. It would be our understanding of God’s word that is flawed, not God’s word. I don’t need any external evidence to prove what I know to be true, but post-WW2 we have enough evidence proving what God said through the prophets that only a willful suspension of belief allows somebody to ignore what’s transpiring.

    John 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

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